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Kevinicus · Feb 6, 2016

The answer to the 2nd question is absurd.

ringmaster · Feb 6, 2016

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Columnist Rick Gosselin held a chat on Monday. Here are some highlights.
If the Cowboys disappoint again in 2016-17 and Garrett gets axed, is Dallas the kind of place that might lure Nick Saban?

Nick Saban tried the NFL once before and couldn't get back to the college game fast enough. Unless there's a young franchise quarterback in place, I'm not sure Saban would consider any NFL situation. He learned his lesson with the Dolphins in 2005-06 when he was asked to win with Gus Frerotte and Joey Harrington. I don't think a 37-year-old Tony Romo in 2017 would be enough incentive for Saban to leave the kingdom he has built in Alabama.

Garrett went 1-11 without Romo. What other coach can survive such a travesty of a record?

A coach goes 12-4 and you reward him with a five-year contract. You don't declare it a mistake when he goes 4-12 without the services of his Pro Bowl quarterback for 12 games. That's the problem with this league -- a complete lack of patience by the owners. Every time you change coaches, you set your program back 2-3 years as you bring in new players to fit new philosophies. I can understand why Jones chose to stick with Garrett. He saw 2015 as the aberration, not 2014. But I was surprised that there wasn't a change or two on the offensive staff.

It seems to me that the Cowboys burn bridges when they are moving on from a player or a coach. Am I right to think that, and it is typical of this organization?

Not at all. Jerry Jones has been very good to players in the past and most continue to speak very highly of him. In the case of both DeMarco Murray and DeMarcus Ware, both benefitted greatly financially from their divorce with the Cowboys. I didn't think Jones was all that fair with Chan Gailey and Wade Phillips. Wade went 11-5 and won the division in 2009, then was fired midway through the 2010 season. Garrett went 12-4 and won the division in 2014, then stays on despite the disaster of a season in 2015. But Garrett has a history with Jones. Phillips didn't.

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Whoever asked Gosselin that question about Saban coming to coach Dallas in 2017 if Garrett flames out again is a moron.

ElGatoGrande · Feb 6, 2016

ChldsPlay said:
The answer to the 2nd question is absurd.

If by absurd you mean "spot on", then yes, it was absurd...

Hardline · Feb 6, 2016

No and why would Saban want to?
He has the best coaching gig in the country.
Coaching the Cowboys would be a step down.

Kevinicus · Feb 6, 2016

EGG said:
If by absurd you mean "spot on", then yes, it was absurd...

Changing coaches sets a team back 2-3 years? That is pure 100% nonsense unless the Patriots fired Bill to hire Jason...that would be a huge setback. Generally though, that just isn't true.

ElGatoGrande · Feb 7, 2016

chldsPlay said:
Changing coaches sets a team back 2-3 years? That is pure 100% nonsense unless the Patriots fired Bill to hire Jason...that would be a huge setback. Generally though, that just isn't true.

The conventional wisdom is that most new coaches and their coordinators need time to get their system in place and the kinds of players they need. It will likely take Marinelli at least another year to get this defense where it needs to be.

TheDude · Feb 7, 2016

EGG said:
The conventional wisdom is that most new coaches and their coordinators need time to get their system in place and the kinds of players they need. It will likely take Marinelli at least another year to get this defense where it needs to be.

So you think the hiring of Harbaugh (9ers), Arians, Zimmer, Todd Bowles, Tomlin, Reid. Set those teams back 2-3 years? The first made the championship, SB, championship in the first three years, Gruden even won a SB in year 1 w Tampa.

I'm not sure where this myth started but if a new coach is hired with an established QB, the good ones win fast.

Elway even fires a coach that took them to a SB for Kubiak, who has them in the SB in yr 1. That defense was abysmal in the SB year, 2 years later they may a top 3 in history. Which shows it doesn't take 75 years to build a team - which with 3-4 year contracts, 50% of players change teams

ElGatoGrande · Feb 7, 2016

ringmaster said:
Whoever asked Gosselin that question about Saban coming to coach Dallas in 2017 if Garrett flames out again is a moron.

McLovin said:
So you think the hiring of Harbaugh (9ers), Arians, Zimmer, Todd Bowles, Tomlin, Reid. Set those teams back 2-3 years? The first made the championship, SB, championship in the first three years, Gruden even won a SB in year 1 w Tampa.

I'm not sure where this myth started but if a new coach is hired with an established QB, the good ones win fast.

Elway even fires a coach that took them to a SB for Kubiak, who has them in the SB in yr 1. That defense was abysmal in the SB year, 2 years later they may a top 3 in history. Which shows it doesn't take 75 years to build a team - which with 3-4 year contracts, 50% of players change teams

Myth? C'mon now, this isn't rocket science, these transitions vary widely. If your new coach and coordinators have similar schemes to their predecessors then they can utilize the same players and shorten the turnaround time. If not? Well...

Craig · Feb 7, 2016

ChldsPlay said:
The answer to the 2nd question is absurd.

Seems exactly right.

daveferr33 · Feb 7, 2016

EGG said:
The conventional wisdom is that most new coaches and their coordinators need time to get their system in place and the kinds of players they need. It will likely take Marinelli at least another year to get this defense where it needs to be.

You mistake "conventional wisdom" with the excuses trotted out the by the Cowboys PR department for his failure to make the playoffs the first three years of his tenure.

BringBackThatOleTimeBoys · Feb 7, 2016

Hardline said:
No and why would Saban want to?
He has the best coaching gig in the country.
~~Coaching the Cowboys would be a step down~~.

Yes, I modified the quote....coaching the Cowboys used to be a step up, but I sort of agree with the struck-out quote - Cowboys are a has-been until the organization changes.

On Saban, he's old now so why would be want to try the NFL now? Just cement his legacy as one of the greatest college coaches instead.

Kevinicus · Feb 7, 2016

EGG said:
The conventional wisdom is that most new coaches and their coordinators need time to get their system in place and the kinds of players they need. It will likely take Marinelli at least another year to get this defense where it needs to be.

Conventional wisdom is often wrong. And teams needing coaching changes are often cleaning up a mess. There is plenty of evidence of coaches coming in with immediate major improvements. In very few instances is there an actual setback, and that is usually when a good coach quits or is fired.

ElGatoGrande · Feb 7, 2016

ChldsPlay said:
Conventional wisdom is often wrong. And teams needing coaching changes are often cleaning up a mess. There is plenty of evidence of coaches coming in with immediate major improvements. In very few instances is there an actual setback, and that is usually when a good coach quits or is fired.

Stating the obvious here: the benefits of continuity are real, not an absurd myth. Giving Romo and the receivers a new offense to learn would be a set back. I can see how someone locked into hating Garret could rationalize otherwise, but that doesn't make it true.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 7, 2016

ChldsPlay said:
The answer to the 2nd question is absurd.

What's absurd about it? There were people who wanted Ron Rivera gone 2 years ago. He made them all look like fools. There's no patience in sports at all. Jerry probably has TOO MUCH at times......

Kevinicus · Feb 7, 2016

EGG said:
Stating the obvious here: the benefits of continuity are real, not an absurd myth. Giving Romo and the receivers a new offense to learn would be a set back. I can see how someone locked into hating Garret could rationalize otherwise, but that doesn't make it true.

Continuity with bad coaching is no benefit. Scrapping the Garrett offense can only move things forward not back, even if it takes a couple years to perfect.

Beast_from_East · Feb 7, 2016

ChldsPlay said:
Changing coaches sets a team back 2-3 years? That is pure 100% nonsense unless the Patriots fired Bill to hire Jason...that would be a huge setback. Generally though, that just isn't true.

Isnt Kubiac in his first year with the Broncos after Elway fired John Fox for not getting it done?

Don't see that it set the Broncos back 2-3 years to change coaches.

cml750 · Feb 7, 2016

McLovin said:
So you think the hiring of Harbaugh (9ers), Arians, Zimmer, Todd Bowles, Tomlin, Reid. Set those teams back 2-3 years? The first made the championship, SB, championship in the first three years, Gruden even won a SB in year 1 w Tampa.

I'm not sure where this myth started but if a new coach is hired with an established QB, the good ones win fast.

Elway even fires a coach that took them to a SB for Kubiak, who has them in the SB in yr 1. That defense was abysmal in the SB year, 2 years later they may a top 3 in history. Which shows it doesn't take 75 years to build a team - which with 3-4 year contracts, 50% of players change teams

Post of the year!!!! Truer words have never been typed my fiend!!!

cml750 · Feb 7, 2016

Beast_from_East said:
Isnt Kubiac in his first year with the Broncos after Elway fired John Fox for not getting it done?

Don't see that it set the Broncos back 2-3 years to change coaches.

Yep, blows that idiotic theory out of the water. We are apparently on the 20 year plan with our coach. Maybe Romo can hang on another 20 years.

TheDude · Feb 7, 2016

EGG said:
Myth? C'mon now, this isn't rocket science, these transitions vary widely. If your new coach and coordinators have similar schemes to their predecessors then they can utilize the same players and shorten the turnaround time. If not? Well...

Yes, myth. Explain Arians and Harbaugh, Reid, Gruden, New coaches, new systems and even new QBs.

You're wrapped up in the clevelands, oaklands, jacksonvilles, and dregs of the worlds.

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