Thought we would see more Tony Pollard

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lmao???ok...the game tape doesn't lie. Football is football. Byron Jones CLEARLY isn't as good in coverage or tackling compared to Lewis. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Lewis' instincts are 10 fold better.

Lewis has far better INT hands and ball hawk skills than Byron, and probably better in zones and playing off line cushion.. but in terms of pure man coverage, Lewis is not in Byron's league, imo. .
 

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Pollard looks like a good RB and I would love to see more of him. But how do you take Zeke off the field?

There is more then 1 way to get Pollard involved but doesn't look like we're going to see much of it.

His best skill set is his receiving and Dallas has decided they're just going to cram him between the tackles.
 

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when you fall behind by 28 points early in the game, the running game gets put on the shelf and it becomes pass, pass, pass. that's why both pollard and even zeke weren't used much in the packer game.
 

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fans hate drafting good players THEN not playing them.
A message board in the early nineties would have been in meltdown mode. DT Jimmie Jones would be been the greatest player on the planet...He was a backup that often flashed some talent when he got snaps but it was proven that he was best as a rotational backup when he departed in free agency and became a starter.

Nobody is a bigger fan of Pollard than I am. I wanted the Cowboy to draft him before it actually happened. I've spent a lot of hours reviewing Pollard at Memphis.

Offensive Execution
  • The issue is that they have a new OC and they need to focus on execution.
  • The more variations they use with personnel, the longer it takes to fine tune the execution of the offense.
  • They're already scrambling to work around the starting OTs being injured. La'el was struggling before he departed the game.
  • Connor Williams is still learning to play OG and to play in the NFL.
  • Frederick is not back to himself. He looks ok physically, but he has been making some odd mistakes.

  • Pollard Playing Time
  • Cooper is the #1 WR.
  • Gallup is a stud already.
  • Cobb is an experienced veteran with great knowledge. Ask Rodgers about that...
  • Tavon Austin is an experience veteran. He is really talented & experienced compared to other 4th/5th WRs in the league.
  • I would like to eventually see Pollard get more of those Tavon Austin snaps as the speed RB/WR/Gadget guy.
  • Zeke is the highest paid RB in the league. He does come off the field occasionally which didn't happen with Emmitt.

Jourdan Lewis
  • I've been a fan of Jourdan Lewis since he stood up to Dez in practice and would not back down as shown on the All of Nothing series.
  • Backup CBs have a perfect record of not giving up any catches when they're on the bench.
  • I've reviewed all snaps every played by both Lewis and Brown in a Cowboys uniform.
  • They both played about 800 snaps in 2017. Brown had 2 INTs and Lewis had 1.
  • In 2018 Lewis was the "starting" Nickel CB for 2 games (Brown and Awuzie each missed a game).
  • There are enough snaps to know how Lewis plays.'
  • The issue in 2018 was that Lewis was still not playing the Kris Richard style.
  • The KR coverage scheme is based on everyone playing specific techniques on specific defensive play calls.
  • The FS is making decisions based on knowing what the CBs will do in all situations.
 

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I’m beginning to think what we are seeing from backup RB Tony Pollard is what we get from him as simply a relief- spell backup RB as far as running the ball - every third series subbing for zeke only ?

I'm starting to think only if it’s a weak dismissal losing team that we are comfortably ahead with score, would Pollard get extensive more carries .

From what was described in his skill set at draft time, and the speculation talk of how creative we would be using Pollard, I thought his usage and impact under Kellen Moore would be a definite more greater than what we’ve been seeing him.

When Pollard has had a chance to display his run skills, he’s been impressive, he’s put away skeptics that he can excel between the tackles, and I think he’s an explosive breakaway quick six points waiting to happen.

But he hasn’t gotten the touches to prove as such in either the run or in pass game where I thought we’d be use him as a Kamara. Chris McCaffery, Tarin Cohen (bears) type

Frankly I thought that whatever we are seeing from “ candle-light” Tavon Austin on these reverse end sweep runs, we could have been giving that role to the speedy Pollard.

And where’s the Pollard/Zeke backfield formation several thought we’d be seeing ?
We see Blake Jarwin and witten on every play and it takes guys like Pollard off the field. Same with Austin and all of the other wrs w speed and big play capabilities. Same old tes that cant get open or produce against the good teams going on 7+ years. There are better personell groups then these scrub tes
 

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lmao???ok...the game tape doesn't lie. Football is football. Byron Jones CLEARLY isn't as good in coverage or tackling compared to Lewis. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Lewis' instincts are 10 fold better.

Most fans with very vocal opinions do NOT spend much if any time reviewing game footage.

I've spent multiple hours reviewing "game tape" which for me is the coaches film of Lewis and Brown.

There just is not any proof of the fan narrative that Lewis is better.

I'll give you that there also is no proof that Lewis would not be better given enough playing time.

Lewis & Cowboys CBs
  • Brown/Lewis both played around 800 snaps in 2017. Brown had 2 INTs, Lewis had 1.
  • Brown/Lewis each had 1 INT in 2018. Lewis got his INT while playing Dime CB.
  • Lewis was the "starting" Nickel CB in 2 games for 2018 (Brown and Awuzie each missed a game).
  • Lewis plays a style that fans like but it's not the style that is required in the KR coverage scheme.
  • Lewis has started to play more of the KR style but Lewis was the slowest to adopt that style of all the CBs.
  • Byron Jones adopted the KR style almost from day 1.
  • Awuzie took longer than Jones to completely adopt the KR style.
  • Brown actually adopted it earlier than Awuzie but the KR requirements for Nickel CBs are not as difficult as for outside CBs.

Awuzie
  • Fans have become hyper critical of Awuzie, but they've been putting him in extremely difficult positions that Lewis has never been put in as a Cowboys player.
  • Awuzie is the Left CB which is the offensive Right side and the easier side to complete passes for most right hand QBs which is almost all NFL QBs.
  • On the big plays that Awuzie gave up, they had him isolated in man coverage with no help.
  • On most of those plays Awuzie was covering the WR on the side of the formation with only 1 receiver.
    • In college they refer to that as the boundary CB, which is the where the top CBs play on many college teams.
  • The FS has been cheating over to the side of the formation with multiple receivers which leaves Awuzie with no deep help in those situations.
 

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When I look at how great coaches like Sean Payton and Andy Reid use their offensive weapons it frustrates me to watch the uncreative approach our “Coach Vanilla Garrett” always seems to favor.

Payton loves using Taysom Hill, the Swiss Army knife player that can play QB, be used as a runner or as a receiver in multiple formations. When defenses see him trot on the field, it has no idea how he could be used.

When I look at Pollard, I don’t see him as just a straight up RB but as a guy we could use in some creative ways. Like in a wildcat formation. Or in the slot. Or...
 

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This staff (read: Garrett) has never been able to creatively use two backs effectively.

Felix, Dunbar, Pollard, etc. all were supposed to be change of pace or dual threat RBs, yet none have them have ever used even close to that.

Just more Cowboys offseason hot air.
 

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I’m beginning to think what we are seeing from backup RB Tony Pollard is what we get from him as simply a relief- spell backup RB as far as running the ball - every third series subbing for zeke only ?

I'm starting to think only if it’s a weak dismissal losing team that we are comfortably ahead with score, would Pollard get extensive more carries .

From what was described in his skill set at draft time, and the speculation talk of how creative we would be using Pollard, I thought his usage and impact under Kellen Moore would be a definite more greater than what we’ve been seeing him.

When Pollard has had a chance to display his run skills, he’s been impressive, he’s put away skeptics that he can excel between the tackles, and I think he’s an explosive breakaway quick six points waiting to happen.

But he hasn’t gotten the touches to prove as such in either the run or in pass game where I thought we’d be use him as a Kamara. Chris McCaffery, Tarin Cohen (bears) type

Frankly I thought that whatever we are seeing from “ candle-light” Tavon Austin on these reverse end sweep runs, we could have been giving that role to the speedy Pollard.

And where’s the Pollard/Zeke backfield formation several thought we’d be seeing ?

Its clear that they have a serious lack of creativity with Pollard. AGAIN!!

From what we have seen so far this season, he simply comes in to spell Zeke and is used in the EXACT same way. He doesn't have a defined roll or set of plays designed to his specific skill set. And like you said, nothing in the way of the two of them together.

Very disappointing.
 

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I’m beginning to think what we are seeing from backup RB Tony Pollard is what we get from him as simply a relief- spell backup RB as far as running the ball - every third series subbing for zeke only ?

I'm starting to think only if it’s a weak dismissal losing team that we are comfortably ahead with score, would Pollard get extensive more carries .

From what was described in his skill set at draft time, and the speculation talk of how creative we would be using Pollard, I thought his usage and impact under Kellen Moore would be a definite more greater than what we’ve been seeing him.

When Pollard has had a chance to display his run skills, he’s been impressive, he’s put away skeptics that he can excel between the tackles, and I think he’s an explosive breakaway quick six points waiting to happen.

But he hasn’t gotten the touches to prove as such in either the run or in pass game where I thought we’d be use him as a Kamara. Chris McCaffery, Tarin Cohen (bears) type

Frankly I thought that whatever we are seeing from “ candle-light” Tavon Austin on these reverse end sweep runs, we could have been giving that role to the speedy Pollard.

And where’s the Pollard/Zeke backfield formation several thought we’d be seeing ?
we saw him in a series...but he got injured in the GB game...the biggest leap for RBs to the NFL is not running or catching, but pass protection which is half the plays they are in as a RB....not just running routes.....pass protection....he is still very green there.
 

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we saw him in a series...but he got injured in the GB game...the biggest leap for RBs to the NFL is not running or catching, but pass protection which is half the plays they are in as a RB....not just running routes.....pass protection....he is still very green there.

i'm sure the McCaffrey's , Kamara's and Cohen's were green in blocking their rookie years too, how will you learn to block, if you don't play ?
you pick the spots for splash plays.. and when he has to stay home to blitz block.
 

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Lewis is our best corner,yet no playing time. ANOTHER indictment of the coaching,yet again. PLAY THE BEST CORNER WE HAVE! Don't give a care how short he is. With that kinda of mindset, Darrell Green would have never been drafted or played one play! These stupid *** coaches lol..

And I was going to mention Darrell Green. You beat me to it. Even though Mike Irvin had his way against him, Green had speed, heart, and a mindset that no receiver was going to beat him. He was about 5' 8" or 5 '9" . I'm afraid that Lewis will go elsewhere and shine.
 

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For the record, I think Zeke will run all over the Jets.

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Jets suck but they are built around a decent defense I wouldnt say for sure hes going to. They might try to no avail though but I hope they do. This place will just erupt if we dont win by 25
 

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the same way zeke comes off the field in every 3rd series while Pollard replaces him for at least a series or two
and the magic of Pollard is he could have Kamara/McCaffrey like receiving traits that allow him to swing into the passing game
vs LBs as a speedy threat. How Kellen utilizes him is up to his imagination.

You saw how zeke swung out in that wheel route in pass game and gained a huge chunk downfield that overcame 1st and 25 (per Garrett's flag)
there could be more formations where he gets free release and hitting a seam on the run to the end zone or his own huge chunk play downfield.

We could run wheel routes for Pollard too. He'd be perfect for that.
 

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i'm sure the McCaffrey's , Kamara's and Cohen's were green in blocking their rookie years too, how will you learn to block, if you don't play ?
you pick the spots for splash plays.. and when he has to stay home to blitz block.
Step 1 is to know your assignment. If you are not good at that then knowing how to block doesn't matter
 

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But he hasn’t gotten the touches to prove as such in either the run or in pass game where I thought we’d be use him as a Kamara. Chris McCaffery, Tarin Cohen (bears) type

Frankly I thought that whatever we are seeing from “ candle-light” Tavon Austin on these reverse end sweep runs, we could have been giving that role to the speedy Pollard.

And where’s the Pollard/Zeke backfield formation several thought we’d be seeing ?

Austin and Cobb are pretty good. We have 3 guys who can play that run/receiving complement role to Zeke with Zeke still on the field. Pollard's role in competitive games probably grows as the season wears on, but Cobb and Austin were bridge players while we got Pollard up to speed for next year in that role. Pollard probably still is getting up to speed as a WR in the NFL.

Our "problem" is that they're all playing well, so there aren't enough snaps for all of them.
 
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