Kellen Moore and the pass first strategy

mattjames2010 said:

I cut Moore some slack because this is his first year as OC

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Sooo, we wait until he gets more experienced?!

Change needs to happen with this team, we are far to talented to waste the best years of these players with terrible coaching. Garrett just claps, Linehan couldn't succeed at a high school level with his bland schemes and play calling, and Moore does nothing for Dak every bad possession, turnover, even good drives he's no where near Dak helping him develop into a more accurate passer or his ability to read defenses pre-snap.

Bring in an entire new/qualified coaching staff. If not, that one bad apple will be the monkey wrench in the new engine.

Haimerej said:

Isn't the pass first strategy the analytically correct one?

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Yes, the analytics actually indicate they should be passing more particularly on first down.

daboyzruleperiod said:

Sooo, we wait until he gets more experienced?!

Change needs to happen with this team, we are far to talented to waste the best years of these players with terrible coaching. Garrett just claps, Linehan couldn't succeed at a high school level with his bland schemes and play calling, and Moore does nothing for Dak every bad possession, turnover, even good drives he's no where near Dak helping him develop into a more accurate passer or his ability to read defenses pre-snap.

Bring in an entire new/qualified coaching staff. If not, that one bad apple will be the monkey wrench in that new engine.

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No, we're not. You'e buying media hype.

pancakeman said:

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He's on a mission right now. Hopefully he'll calm down soon enough.

Zman5 said:

.Our starters get tired out and can't play like that effectively for 60 minutes. Zeke's running allows us to win the TOP which give the defense chance to rest. I think one of the reasons we can't get a stop late in close games is because our defense is tired out due to how we play defense.

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The defense is much better late in close games this year, although with fewer such opportunities.

4th qtr/OT margin one score or less
2019
12 drives, 12 points
1.0 ppd

2018
30 drives, 78 points
2.6 ppd

nickjamesw43 said:

Yes, the analytics actually indicate they should be passing more particularly on first down.

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Cowboys only pass 44% of the time on first down, which ranks 25th in first-down pass frequency. But their 60% success rate on these pass plays ranks 2nd only to the Saints.

mattjames2010 said:

That's not "massively behind" - two TDs and a 2 point conversion and that's a tied game.

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Down 15 with only 20 minutes to play is a decent amount, at least enough to lean more towards pass (which is moot since they ran the ball over 30 times that game regardless)

Tussinman said:

Down 15 with only 20 minutes to play is a decent amount, at least enough to lean more towards pass

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You're suggesting you can't score 2 TDs in two quarters. It's just not a massive deficit to completely blow up a gameplan. That's plenty of time to get back into the game.

mattjames2010 said:

You're suggesting you can't score 2 TDs in two quarters. It's just not a massive deficit to completely blow up a gameplan. That's plenty of time to get back into the game.

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2 touchdowns in 20 minutes with there 2016 era slow *** drives + the other team having the ball twice (team that you couldn't stop), yeah I'm not counting on it for time purposes + still having to make the 2 point conversion just to tie it + having to prevent the Jets at least twice from getting any points

Tussinman said:

2 touchdowns in 20 minutes with there 2016 era slow *** drives + the other team having the ball twice (team that you couldn't stop), yeah I'm not counting on it for time purposes + still having to make the 2 point conversion just to tie it

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Those "slow drives" can also be a positive with keeping offenses off the field. Giving their offense less chances to score can be an advantage. Obviously getting 0 on the board when "slow drives" won't look good.

But being down 2 scores at the start of the third will never be considered a "massive amount". It's the very reason it came down to a 2 point conversion in the first place.

mattjames2010 said:

This needs to end. We are 1-4 when Dak throws more than 40 times in a game. Only one of these games were true blowouts, and that was against the Packers.

I don't give a crap how many yards Dak has in these games, the more Dak throws the more we lose. Kellen Moore seems to be the opposite of Linehan, Linehan would tend to get overly conservative, while Moore tends to get more aggressive once momentum shifts to the opposing team.

I cut Moore some slack because this is his first year as OC and I DO see some things from him I like, but he has to get a little more creative - and it starts with getting this team back to being more balanced or even being a run heavy team. The Bills run defense was being exposed early on yesterday, and Zeke was having his first decent game in weeks. This should have been a game we heavily used both Zeke and Pollard and instead put the game in the hands of Dak when he has shown he an't lead us to victory throwing a lot.

This was probably Moore's worst game as in OC, and if we want to make playoffs by winning and not just lucking out, this team needs to get the ground game going.

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Lol...now everyone upset about throwing the ball when they were running folks were crying. Claimed Garrett handcuffed Moore...lol

I'm ok with the ratio. My problem is predictably. We love to do an unimaginative run on 1st, putting us in 2nd and 8, then we go empty backfield with Dak in shotgun. A very frequent tendency.

I would agree with a run first offense. But Zeke and our running game has been completely sucking this year. I don't know what it is. But Zeke has not been breaking tackles and seems to go down on first contact.

Whether we like it or not, Dak has carried this offense through his passing. Zeke hasn't done much lately.

percyhoward said:

Your mistake was that you looked at the whole game instead of just the first half.

First Half Play Selection
1 NYG 26 pass 13 rush
2 Was 17 pass 13 rush
3 Mia 20 pass 15 rush
4 NO 15 pass 12 rush
5 GB 17 pass 15 rush
6 NYJ 19 pass 13 rush
7 Phi 21 pass 18 rush
8 NYG 20 pass 15 rush
9 Min 23 pass 13 rush
10 Det 26 pass 14 rush
11 NE 15 pass 18 rush
12 Buf 25 pass 15 rush

In the first half of the wins, we passed 60% of the time.

In the first half of the losses, we passed 57% of the time.

Any play you look at after the first half is influenced by the score margin. In the second half of the wins, we passed 44% of the time. In the second half of the losses, we passed 72% of the time.

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Thank you Percy.

Fans that cite stats like "We're 27-1 when Zeke rushes 25 times or more!!!11! Feed Zeke!!"

or OP who says we're 1-4 when Dak throws over 40 times without ANY context are the worse.

Critical thinking, not even once.

mattjames2010 said:

Those "slow drives" can also be a positive with keeping offenses off the field. Giving their offense less chances to score can be an advantage. Obviously getting 0 on the board when "slow drives" won't look good.

But being down 2 scores at the start of the third will never be considered a "massive amount". It's the very reason it came down to a 2 point conversion in the first place.

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Too big of a coward to respond to @percyhoward posts that COMPLETELY destroy your garbage arguments.

Even in your own thread.


“I want SO BADLY to be right!!! I’ll ignore any facts or reality that stand in my way!!!”

mattjames2010 said:

You're suggesting you can't score 2 TDs in two quarters. It's just not a massive deficit to completely blow up a gameplan. That's plenty of time to get back into the game.

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Well that If course also means you are depending on your defense to hold up which they don’t

Hard to point the finger at anyone unless you know how many run calls are changed to pass by your QB.
It appears opposing defenses are showing 8 man fronts early in the play to get the run play call changed to a pass.

starfan1 said:

Well that If course also means you are depending on your defense to hold up which they don’t

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Which is exactly why the cowboys tried to match/surpass the other teams tempo. He thinks it's a conspiracy

mattjames2010 said:

This needs to end. We are 1-4 when Dak throws more than 40 times in a game. Only one of these games were true blowouts, and that was against the Packers.

I don't give a crap how many yards Dak has in these games, the more Dak throws the more we lose. Kellen Moore seems to be the opposite of Linehan, Linehan would tend to get overly conservative, while Moore tends to get more aggressive once momentum shifts to the opposing team.

I cut Moore some slack because this is his first year as OC and I DO see some things from him I like, but he has to get a little more creative - and it starts with getting this team back to being more balanced or even being a run heavy team. The Bills run defense was being exposed early on yesterday, and Zeke was having his first decent game in weeks. This should have been a game we heavily used both Zeke and Pollard and instead put the game in the hands of Dak when he has shown he an't lead us to victory throwing a lot.

This was probably Moore's worst game as in OC, and if we want to make playoffs by winning and not just lucking out, this team needs to get the ground game going.

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Dak can lead us to victory with his arm. Done it. But HE CANT BE THE ONLY PLAYER. I watched the pats game and it was a game tailor made for Elliot, he is a heavy runner and was gaining momentum. And they quit using him.

We play the bills and it was obvious Elliot and this O-Line was warming up. The plays kept getting more and more yards and just my opinion but I think the bills were starting to worry. If we stay with it they would have worn down and could have been scoring from the ground. But for some reason they feel the need to abandon the run and this had happened in years before. When Romo was QB. Do you remember. That would also be before Moore was OC. So is that JG.. Or a coincidence.

Is Dak changing these plays at the line to pass plays. Romo used to do it. Dak just said he wants the ball in his hands. But Dak has also quit running the ball himself. He has improved his passing this year for sure. If he continued to use his legs along with that then he and this Offense would be great. But we are built to be a run team..

Don’t care to much about if you run or pass or first down. Mix it up. When Elliot is picking up 4 yards a clip would you rather have a 2nd and 5 or 6, or pass and if incomplete then it’s 2nd and 10. Then they run it and your left with 3rd and long. If the pass works it’s great but you have to have balance..

mattjames2010 said:

This needs to end. We are 1-4 when Dak throws more than 40 times in a game. Only one of these games were true blowouts, and that was against the Packers.

I don't give a crap how many yards Dak has in these games, the more Dak throws the more we lose. Kellen Moore seems to be the opposite of Linehan, Linehan would tend to get overly conservative, while Moore tends to get more aggressive once momentum shifts to the opposing team.

I cut Moore some slack because this is his first year as OC and I DO see some things from him I like, but he has to get a little more creative - and it starts with getting this team back to being more balanced or even being a run heavy team. The Bills run defense was being exposed early on yesterday, and Zeke was having his first decent game in weeks. This should have been a game we heavily used both Zeke and Pollard and instead put the game in the hands of Dak when he has shown he an't lead us to victory throwing a lot.

This was probably Moore's worst game as in OC, and if we want to make playoffs by winning and not just lucking out, this team needs to get the ground game going.

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Look, I'm not seeing it this way. In a lot of games against the better teams the Cowboys simply can't run the ball. They're forced to be in passing situations all game.