Old heads: tell me about this Steve Walsh vs Aikman competition

leeblair

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I remember the Buerline controversy. Didn’t they trade him to Carolina? I was young but my memories of Walsh was him looking like a noodle armed scrub.
Beurliein first went to the Cardinals, then to Carolina. He had started with Oakland, but Jimmy picked him up after Babe Laufenberg had to go in when Aikman was hurt and was completely inept and terrified.
 

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Sounds juicy. I came aboard class of 98 aka the Chan Gailey season. Skip Bayless mentioned this this morning. That sounds like a great camp competition or was it.


And be honest, who were you pulling for? Was it close competition? Anything you have to say about it, speak on it. How did Jerry feel about it?

Jimmy believed in competition. He wanted Troy to have a competitor who could push him. So, Jimmy took Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft. Troy obviously won the competition, but Jimmy increased Walsh's value in the process. So, when a desperate Saints team came knocking, Jimmy unloaded him for a first , second, and 3rd round picks. Hows that for a return on investment?? Yet some still have the audacity to question the man. Thats how Jimmy ran the cowboys. He was always dealing and getting the better of other teams.

I don't think Dallas has got the better end of a trade since Jimmy left.
 

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Jimmy used Walsh to needle Aikman so he could find out what Aikman was about.

Jimmy was always pushing buttons. Though he never said a bad word about Leon Lett because he knew he had a fragile psyche.

Masterful, he was.
 

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Steve had played for Jimmy in Miami.
I think that’s the only reason he took him.
Walsh won the only game in ‘89 over the Commanders. Went on to have a ten career bouncing around the league.
 

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Sounds juicy. I came aboard class of 98 aka the Chan Gailey season. Skip Bayless mentioned this this morning. That sounds like a great camp competition or was it.


And be honest, who were you pulling for? Was it close competition? Anything you have to say about it, speak on it. How did Jerry feel about it?
Jimmy knew him from Miami he was basically using him to push Troy Aikman but like other people have said it wasn't really close allthough Jimmy Johnson did use that as a trade chip to the Saints first and third round pick
 

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There was no competition.......Jimmy had us in a position we could buy low sell high on Walsh and that's exactly how it played out.
The media made it a controversy, and fans, because the team was responding well to Walsh when Aikman was out. There was never any doubt Aikman was clearly franchise quarterback.
 

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I went to training camp in '90 and it was amazing watching the QBs doing drills side by side. It was Aikman, Walsh and I believe Babe. The ball just exploded out of Aikman's hand compared to the other two. There was one drill where they would all simultaneously take a 5 or 7 step drop and fire the ball out as quickly as possible. Aikman's ball would be well out before Walsh and Babe had even finished their drop back. It was clear how much superior Aikman was physically. I also remember thinking Walsh looked like a high school kid standing next to him.
 

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The lone holdover from Tom Landry's staff is why Dallas became the Legend of Troy. All the ex-miami staff wanted Walsh to start and play over Aikman. Jimmy Johnson however, was always thinking trade with Walsh as he actually tried to move him his rookie year.

Jerry Rhome was a QB guru that Tex, Brandt, and Landry hired for the specific purpose of tutoring and grooming the young legend of Troy (see Jim Zorn, Dave Krieg, and Mark Rypien). Jerry Rhome was a back up QB under Landry until the arrive of a back up QB from the Naval Academy. So Rhome knew the QB position and how to groom young QBs. The fact that Jimmy Johnson kept him even though he made a deal to bring Dave Shula to Dallas as OC in order to get Dave Wannesdat out of Miami (he had signed as the new Dolphins LB coach under Don Shula), shows that Jimmy did respect to most experience coach on his coaching staff.

During staff meeting Johnson had all the coaches comment who should the Cowboys QB between Walsh and Aikman. All the ex-Miami Jimmy Johnson coaches and Dave Shula said Steve Walsh. That is when Jerry Rhome went ballistic asking if they all lost their minds. Troy Aikman was just literally head and shoulders better than Steve Walsh. There was control fighting between Rhome and Shula all year. Shula would be replaced by Johnson in 1991 by Norv Turner. Rhome left in 1990 to be OC of the Cardinals.

Yes Jimmy called Troy a loser but that was not an indicator that he taught Steve Walsh was the long term answer. Jimmy Johnson traded Walsh to the Saints for a 1st, 3rd in 1991, and a 2nd in 1992.The trade to New Orleans would have happen in the 1989 season but Aikman got hurt. 1990 Walsh led the Saints to the playoffs while Aikman sat injured at home again (ironically Walsh knocked the Cowboys out the playoffs the last game of the season). The next year Walsh was beaten out by the Cajun Cannon (Bobby Hebert) and Aikman got injured again as Steve Beuerlein led the Cowboys to the playoffs. By 1992 Troy Aikman was a Super Bowl winning QB and Steve Walsh was a back up about to be cut by the Saints.

Where Troy was concerned, this is a big part of it. Fans have to remember the dynamics of the sale and the draft. The first draft that Jerry and Jimmy had in Dallas, a great deal of that draft was put together by the old staff. Because there was very little time to work with, a lot of what was used was from the old Staff. The Landry Cowboys were going to draft Troy, that was there guy and they had already come to that decision but when the sale went through, that became a footnote. Troy was the best the pick but it is true that there were a lot of people who liked Tony Mandarich from Michigan St. I believe. Sports Illustrated, who was a big thing in all things sports at that time, were puffing his goods like no other. So a few teams had him as the top talent in that draft but some believed, as the Cowboys did, that it was Aikman. Long story short, Troy was drafted 1 and Mandarich was drafted 2, to the Packers I believe.

Jimmy, he believed in competition and pressure. He wanted to insure that the team had a viable option at the most important position on the team and so he took Walsh and I believe he did it because he wanted to be sure. He knew what he had in Walsh and he didn't want to be caught in a situation where he had no options.

I have no issue with it and I'd bet that many years down the line, Troy understands it as well. It all worked out and I have to say that I wouldn't have had it any other way. We all thought Jimmy was crazy some times for the stuff he did but he understood how to create competition and that fear was a driving force in the game. He used it masterfully and it payed results.

That's my recollection of it anyhow.
 

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That was my recollection. Dallas ended up giving up one hell of a pick just to try Walsh out. As others have said, the competition wasn't much of one. Aikman was such a better thrower. The issue was that #1 overall given up for Walsh. It kind of got hidden by the Herschel Walker haul. Dallas gave up the #1 in a year where Cortez Kennedy and Junior Seau were top 5 picks. I couldn't imagine the butterfly effect if Dallas had kept the pick, traded down to 3 and then taken Kennedy.
Maybe no Emmitt if that happened??
 

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Oh it did which makes it even less reasonable to just be honest.
Drafting Walsh was a huge mistake but NO bailed us out and we came out alright.

Not sure it was the case when Troy wouldn't speak to Jimmy lol.
Drafting Walsh was never a mistake. HOF coach jimmy took him knowing Walsh was a perceived franchise and HOF coach jimmy fully understood he could get high picks for Walsh. Brilliant move. We got Russell Maryland and Eric Williams with two of those picks.
 

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Drafting Walsh was never a mistake. HOF coach jimmy took him knowing Walsh was a perceived franchise and HOF coach jimmy fully understood he could get high picks for Walsh. Brilliant move. We got Russell Maryland and Eric Williams with two of those picks.

Exactly right. Same with Troy if the situation had turned out differently.
 

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We didndi exactly buy low on Walsh. He cost us the top overall pick

If only teams could be managed with 20/20 hindsight, Jerry might actually be good at it.

As it turned out, we did "ok" that draft picking a kid from UF with the 16th pick. So, since we using 20/20 hindsight in this debate, as a result of taking Walsh in the supplemental draft we ended up with Emmitt Smith, Leon Lett, and Russel Maryland. So, yeah, Walsh was a hell of a move.
 

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If only teams could be managed with 20/20 hindsight, Jerry might actually be good at it.

As it turned out, we did "ok" that draft picking a kid from UF with the 16th pick. So, since we using 20/20 hindsight in this debate, as a result of taking Walsh in the supplemental draft we ended up with Emmitt Smith, Leon Lett, and Russel Maryland. So, yeah, Walsh was a hell of a move.
I think we would have taken Smith regardless. Iirc Johnson wasn't as high on Blair Thomas and needed an IB. I remember us being high on Francis, so I could see us trading down if we had that #1.
 

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I think we would have taken Smith regardless. Iirc Johnson wasn't as high on Blair Thomas and needed an IB. I remember us being high on Francis, so I could see us trading down if we had that #1.

We can imagine all kinds of things. lol
 

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It wasn't that big of a deal. In the first season Jimmy wasn't 100 percent sure that Aikman was the guy, so he drafted a QB whom he knew from his time at Miami. Walsh ended up being a good backup and quarterbacked the team for their only win that year (against Washington). But Aikman ended up being the guy, and so Johnson sent Walsh to the Saints.
It was a Huge deal to Aikman at the time...
 

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Sounds juicy. I came aboard class of 98 aka the Chan Gailey season. Skip Bayless mentioned this this morning. That sounds like a great camp competition or was it.


And be honest, who were you pulling for? Was it close competition? Anything you have to say about it, speak on it. How did Jerry feel about it?
Steve Walsh = Colt McCoy. Case Keenum. Matt Moore. Along those lines. He was never going to be a great starter.
 

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If you don't have a QB, you have nothing. Jimmy knew it. So, he was simply hedging his bet. I didn't like it, but I understand why he did it.
 
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