Twitter: Probable Drew Pearson to the HOF Upcoming Announcement

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cowboyec said:
The Canton Screw-Job:
no Chuck Howley.
no Lee Roy Jordan.
no Drew Pearson.
no Ralph Neely.
no Ed too tall Jones.
no Harvey Martin.
no Everson Walls.
no Darren Woodson.
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Look, let's keep it real. Every team has their gripes with players being overlooked, or not put in. Drew Pearson not being in is a travesty. Same goes for Chuck Howley.

As for the rest of the list above? Lee Roy Jordan was a terrific player, but he was an All Pro selection just once in his career. He played during a time where he was probably the fourth or fifth best middle/inside linebacker of his time. He wasn't better than Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, Joe Schmidt or Jack Lambert. It's arguable that he wasn't better than Tommy Nobis. It doesn't diminish him, but I don't think he's a Hall of Famer.

Same goes for Ralph Neely. He did make the All Pro team three times, but he wasn't even the best tackle on his own team. Rayfield Wright was better than him. He isn't even considered a glaring omission for the Ring of Honor. Very good player, not a Hall of Famer.

Too Tall Jones was a good defensive end. Played a long time. Made All Pro once. Not in the Ring of Honor. Not a Hall of Famer.

Harvey Martin has a case - he was the Defensive Player of the Year in 1977, a Super Bowl MVP, and made the 1970's All Decade second team. He was the leading sacker in team history until DeMarcus Ware passed him 30 years after Martin's retirement. There are two knocks against him - one is that he made first team All Pro only once. Second is that once open handed blocking was legalized in 1978, his sack production decreased significantly. He's also not in the Ring of Honor, which doesn't help his case. To me, he's borderline.

Everson Walls was a true ball hawk, and a very good player. He led the league in interceptions three times, and was in the Pro Bowl 4 times, and a first team All Pro once. That being said, he also gave up a lot of big plays, and for as productive of a ball hawk as he was, he was never considered a shut down corner. Again, he's not in the Ring of Honor. I think he's in the same category as Jordan and Neely - very good, but not a HOF player.

Darren Woodson absolutely should be in, but he won't get selected. The reason why he should? He revolutionized the safety position by being a player who was quick enough to cover receivers in the slot, large enough to be a force in run support and as a blitzer, and a terrific special teams player. He was a three time first team All Pro safety. The reason why he won't? The same people who vote for the HOF select the All Decade teams. In the 1990's, Ronnie Lott was selected over Woodson for the safety position. Lott played half the decade, and was a shell of himself in the 1990s. Sadly, this oversight will prevent him from getting in.
 
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Plankton said:
Look, let's keep it real. Every team has their gripes with players being overlooked, or not put in. Drew Pearson not being in is a travesty. Same goes for Chuck Howley.

As for the rest of the list above? Lee Roy Jordan was a terrific player, but he was an All Pro selection just once in his career. He played during a time where he was probably the fourth or fifth best middle/inside linebacker of his time. He wasn't better than Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, Joe Schmidt or Jack Lambert. It's arguable that he wasn't better than Tommy Nobis. It doesn't diminish him, but I don't think he's a Hall of Famer.

Same goes for Ralph Neely. He did make the All Pro team three times, but he wasn't even the best tackle on his own team. Rayfield Wright was better than him. He isn't even considered a glaring omission for the Ring of Honor. Very good player, not a Hall of Famer.

Too Tall Jones was a good defensive end. Played a long time. Made All Pro once. Not in the Ring of Honor. Not a Hall of Famer.

Harvey Martin has a case - he was the Defensive Player of the Year in 1977, a Super Bowl MVP, and made the 1970's All Decade second team. He was the leading sacker in team history until DeMarcus Ware passed him 30 years after Martin's retirement. There are two knocks against him - one is that he made first team All Pro only once. Second is that once open handed blocking was legalized in 1978, his sack production decreased significantly. He's also not in the Ring of Honor, which doesn't help his case. To me, he's borderline.

Everson Walls was a true ball hawk, and a very good player. He led the league in interceptions three times, and was in the Pro Bowl 4 times, and a first team All Pro once. That being said, he also gave up a lot of big plays, and for as productive of a ball hawk as he was, he was never considered a shut down corner. Again, he's not in the Ring of Honor. I think he's in the same category as Jordan and Neely - very good, but not a HOF player.

Darren Woodson absolutely should be in, but he won't get selected. The reason why he should? He revolutionized the safety position by being a player who was quick enough to cover receivers in the slot, large enough to be a force in run support and as a blitzer, and a terrific special teams player. He was a three time first team All Pro safety. The reason why he won't? The same people who vote for the HOF select the All Decade teams. In the 1990's, Ronnie Lott was selected over Woodson for the safety position. Lott played half the decade, and was a shell of himself in the 1990s. Sadly, this oversight will prevent him from getting in.
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Ralph Neely was on the all-decade team for the 60's.

too tall Jones was a nightmare for opposing QBs and OCs to prepare for...perfecting the art of pass deflections and gets no where near the credit for his play vs the run...one of the best I ever saw vs the run.

Roger said he thinks its crminal that Lee Roy is not in the hall...he was considered...at the time...one of the best MLBs in the game.

Chuck Howley and Drew's careers stand alone.

Everson Walls was one of the best CBs of his era.

but again...you are wrong about Ralph Neely...
4x all-pro
2x pro-bowl
2x Super Bowl Champ
ALL-DECADE TEAM FOR 60'S.
 
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I would just forget about the HOF at this point if I were him. It's all politics...if they don't want you 10-20-30 years after your career is over, what's the point. The fans and his peers know he's HOF-caliber. If they do induct him eventually, he should skip the ceremony and hold his own event like Terrell Owens did.
 

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TheCoolFan said:
I would just forget about the HOF at this point if I were him. It's all politics...if they don't want you 10-20-30 years after your career is over, what's the point. The fans and his peers know he's HOF-caliber. If they do induct him eventually, he should skip the ceremony and hold his own event like Terrell Owens did.
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I totally agree. If he finally gets in he should do his own ceremony in Dallas
 
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Ralph Neely was on the all-decade team for the 60's.

too tall Jones was a nightmare for opposing QBs and OCs to prepare for...perfecting the art of pass deflections and gets no where near the credit for his play vs the run...one of the best I ever saw vs the run.

Roger said he thinks its crminal that Lee Roy is not in the hall...he was considered...at the time...one of the best MLBs in the game.

Chuck Howley and Drew's careers stand alone.

Everson Walls was one of the best CBs of his era.

but again...you are wrong about Ralph Neely...
4x all-pro
2x pro-bowl
2x Super Bowl Champ
ALL-DECADE TEAM FOR 60'S.
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Not wrong about Neely at all - he wasn't a better tackle than Wright. You are also severely overrating the candidacies of the others (excluding Howley and Pearson). I'm not saying that they weren't very good players, and all time great Cowboys. They just aren't Hall of Famers.

Heck, they aren't even Ring of Honor guys in most cases.
 
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Plankton said:
Not wrong about Neely at all - he wasn't a better tackle than Wright. You are also severely overrating the candidacies of the others (excluding Howley and Pearson). I'm not saying that they weren't very good players, and all time great Cowboys. They just aren't Hall of Famers.

Heck, they aren't even Ring of Honor guys in most cases.
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I agree Ray Wright is our greatest OT.
you are wrong about Ralph Neely NOT being HOF worthy....was voted to the NFLs All-Decade Team for the 60s.
most of the writers who voted on the all-70s team also voted on the all-60s team as well....and many on the all-60s team are already in the hall.
Ralph Neely deserves to be in Canton.
He was one of the very best of his era.
 
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Whelp.. this thread didn't age well.

So disappointing to hear that Drew didn't make it in.
 
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