20 Questions: No. 18, what role to expect for Deuce

[jazzcat22]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/18-what-role-do-we-expect-for-deuce-vaughn

All this been discussed before. However this is the 4 writers take from the mothership.

Mickey actually has a pretty good answer. Saying they will have some designed plays, but need to keep the defenses honest by having him run up the middle a few times as well.

 

[doomsday9084]

IMO, he can either run the ball or he can't. The issue with him is his size and that isn't going to improve in year 2 or 3. As is, he more than has the skill and speed to be an impact back. Its not like he has to learn that part of the game.

If he can overcome his size, he will be RB2 and a valuable contributor. If he can't, I'm not sure he will see the field much before being released at some point in the future.

As always:
Cowboys Nation in March: "Don't draft an RB early. You can draft an impact running back late in the draft."
Cowboys: *Drafts a high college impact back late in the draft.*
Cowboys Nation in May: "Deuce was drafted late, don't expect much from him."

 

[Typhus]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/18-what-role-do-we-expect-for-deuce-vaughn

All this been discussed before. However this is the 4 writers take from the mothership.

Mickey actually has a pretty good answer. Saying they will have some designed plays, but need to keep the defenses honest by having him run up the middle a few times as well.

What Duece has..
Vision
QOOC - my reference...quickness out of cuts
ATS - my reference... ability to separate
SAC - speed after cut

Many claim that Duece has poor speed but what Duece does possess is the ability to play very effectively within the seems, with a certain skill set that is very hard to curtail.
He may never be a starter in this league, but he can be a very effective weapon if used appropriately.

 

[CowboyRoy]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/18-what-role-do-we-expect-for-deuce-vaughn

All this been discussed before. However this is the 4 writers take from the mothership.

Mickey actually has a pretty good answer. Saying they will have some designed plays, but need to keep the defenses honest by having him run up the middle a few times as well.

2-3 touches a game unless Pollard gets injured. a screen pass, an end around, ect...

Personally I would use him more, but I doubt they do.

 

[rags747]

I doubt they use him much at all. 1 or 2 stuffs at the line and he will be outta there quickly.

 

[CCBoy]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/18-what-role-do-we-expect-for-deuce-vaughn

All this been discussed before. However this is the 4 writers take from the mothership.

Mickey actually has a pretty good answer. Saying they will have some designed plays, but need to keep the defenses honest by having him run up the middle a few times as well.

This camp special teams will be important for roster spots as well as time in games.

 

[Jarntt]

Until we see otherwise, Turpin is our return guy. That means the only way Deuce makes the game day roster is if he is the #2 RB because you can be sure #3/4 is running down on kickoff and punt teams. I'm hoping he can do at this level some of what he did last year and I an optimistic we may see some of that, but there is no guarantee he is on the game day roster. One thing I know for sure is that he is probably the guy I am excited to watch more in the preseason than anyone else. If he can be that Sproles type we all want it would be huge for this team, but even if he is, I'm not sure it is likely to happen by week one of year one.

 

[blueblood70]

IMO, he can either run the ball or he can't. The issue with him is his size and that isn't going to improve in year 2 or 3. As is, he more than has the skill and speed to be an impact back. Its not like he has to learn that part of the game.

If he can overcome his size, he will be RB2 and a valuable contributor. If he can't, I'm not sure he will see the field much before being released at some point in the future.

As always:
Cowboys Nation in March: "Don't draft an RB early. You can draft an impact running back late in the draft."
Cowboys: *Drafts a high college impact back late in the draft.*
Cowboys Nation in May: "Deuce was drafted late, don't expect much from him."

dude you completely nailed it

that's exactly how this place reacts

it's crazy how they went from don't pay a running back, don't draft them high, and yet they seem to be on board with Tony Pollard they were scared to let him go and you're right all those things about drafting you could get a running back anyway they're a dime a dozen and then when the Cowboys cut zeke only give Pollard one year and go ahead and draft some dudes. now it's like a big we're in trouble

 

[CowboyoWales]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/18-what-role-do-we-expect-for-deuce-vaughn

All this been discussed before. However this is the 4 writers take from the mothership.

Mickey actually has a pretty good answer. Saying they will have some designed plays, but need to keep the defenses honest by having him run up the middle a few times as well.

Maybe a few 21 personnel sets, with two elusive pass catching RB's and a blocking/catching TE.....we may start to become a varied, less predictable offense.

 

[CCBoy]

Until we see otherwise, Turpin is our return guy. That means the only way Deuce makes the game day roster is if he is the #2 RB because you can be sure #3/4 is running down on kickoff and punt teams. I'm hoping he can do at this level some of what he did last year and I an optimistic we may see some of that, but there is no guarantee he is on the game day roster. One thing I know for sure is that he is probably the guy I am excited to watch more in the preseason than anyone else. If he can be that Sproles type we all want it would be huge for this team, but even if he is, I'm not sure it is likely to happen by week one of year one.

Initial adjustments to the NFL takes time to intigrate into a team setting. A team takes time, with a strong running talent, opportunities and time on turf will pretty quickly grow.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

IMO, he can either run the ball or he can't. The issue with him is his size and that isn't going to improve in year 2 or 3. As is, he more than has the skill and speed to be an impact back. Its not like he has to learn that part of the game.

If he can overcome his size, he will be RB2 and a valuable contributor. If he can't, I'm not sure he will see the field much before being released at some point in the future.

As always:
Cowboys Nation in March: "Don't draft an RB early. You can draft an impact running back late in the draft."
Cowboys: *Drafts a high college impact back late in the draft.*
Cowboys Nation in May: "Deuce was drafted late, don't expect much from him."

Yeah but guys his size typically have limited roles out the gate. I expect nothing from him this year to be honest. A few Carrie’s at best.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

dude you completely nailed it

that's exactly how this place reacts

it's crazy how they went from don't pay a running back, don't draft them high, and yet they seem to be on board with Tony Pollard they were scared to let him go and you're right all those things about drafting you could get a running back anyway they're a dime a dozen and then when the Cowboys cut zeke only give Pollard one year and go ahead and draft some dudes. now it's like a big we're in trouble

We all have different opinions on Pollard but I think most just didn’t want to give him a long term big deal.

 

[blueblood70]

We all have different opinions on Pollard but I think most just didn’t want to give him a long term big deal.

Yeah but in hindsight even the $10 million tags a little bit too much for him because he's not an every down back I think if they had a chance to go back and do it over knowing that they could pick up a guy like dalvin cook for that money I think they would have allowed Tony Pollard to leave. I mean you look at the starting quarterback money this year it seems to have gone to around the 6- $7 million so the Cowboys I don't think saw this coming neither did some of the other teams who gave out the tags. Again in hindsight I might have offered Tony Pollard two years 13 million and that would have helped the cap and then you never know we could have also brought in dalvin cook but right now the $10 million pretty much says you have to roll at what you have..

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah but in hindsight even the $10 million tags a little bit too much for him because he's not an every down back I think if they had a chance to go back and do it over knowing that they could pick up a guy like dalvin cook for that money I think they would have allowed Tony Pollard to leave. I mean you look at the starting quarterback money this year it seems to have gone to around the 6- $7 million so the Cowboys I don't think saw this coming neither did some of the other teams who gave out the tags. Again in hindsight I might have offered Tony Pollard two years 13 million and that would have helped the cap and then you never know we could have also brought in dalvin cook but right now the $10 million pretty much says you have to roll at what you have..

Well a few things….

10 million is a lot but I guess it’s the lesser of two evils….I’d take a 10 million dollar deal over a 4 year 40-45. I think Pollard is year one more year and we draft his replacement.

I think they still chose Pollard over Cook due to Pollards big play ability and for what this offense does.

I also think if they want Cook they can have him right now. Doesn’t seem like much interest.

 

[KJJ]

He’ll likely get some return opportunities. They may try to figure out a way to get him involved in the passing game. They may have a wildcat package for him. I don’t think he’s going to get a lot of opportunities running the ball.

 

[catiii]

Deuce can't do anything if the Arkansas drunken bogans don't allow the "coach" to put him on the field in favor of worse players who get paid more. "Eragh he don't look good in the shower and I paid good money for the other guys so I'm going to play them instead Ergagh hiccup."

 

[Pass2Run]

Well, he'll be a back who they can move around some and also throw to. Why is everyone overthinking his role?

 

[_sturt_]

There's practically no way Deuce ends up the #2 back, imo, unless (a) he has a sensational preseason and (b) Luepke also has a sensational preseason, including and especially showing up in pass protection

That's a lot to ask.

So, Deuce is almost certainly going to be a practice squad guy unless Turpin has a bad preseason and opens the door for a returner challenger.

Is that realistic?

Well, people tend to forget that Turpin had a very forgettable last half of the season. Three fumbles, and some very bad decision making. Some chalk that up to exhaustion having no real rest b/t USFL and NFL seasons. Maybe they're right. But maybe they're not. We've seen returners whose careers went south quickly, not because they lost speed, but because, like kickers, they lost confidence and they became undependable fielding the punt.

What I do know is that someone here (honestly don't recall who) assured me during OTAs that Deuce wasn't even a realistic candidate for returning kicks/punts. That's already been proven wrong. He did get some reps. There can be little doubt he will get more reps in Oxnard, if not in preseason games.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think his role is going to be more involved out of necessity.

The question is are McC and Shottenheimer good at getting a player like him out in the open?

This is where Shanahan excels, he gets his weapons in some space to make a difference.

 

[Pass2Run]

There's practically no way Deuce ends up the #2 back, imo, unless (a) he has a sensational preseason and (b) Luepke also has a sensational preseason, including and especially showing up in pass protection

That's a lot to ask.

So, Deuce is almost certainly going to be a practice squad guy unless Turpin has a bad preseason and opens the door for a returner challenger.

Is that realistic?

Well, people tend to forget that Turpin had a very forgettable last half of the season. Three fumbles, and some very bad decision making. Some chalk that up to exhaustion having no real rest b/t USFL and NFL seasons. Maybe they're right. But maybe they're not. We've seen returners whose careers went south quickly, not because they lost speed, but because, like kickers, they lost confidence and they became undependable fielding the punt.

What I do know is that someone here (honestly don't recall who) assured me during OTAs that Deuce wasn't even a realistic candidate for returning kicks/punts. That's already been proven wrong. He did get some reps. There can be little doubt he will get more reps in Oxnard, if not in preseason games.

I personally think RoJo is better than people realize. Certainly better than Zeke at this point in his career.

Still can't believe Zeke declined so fast. But that's what tequilla and illegal drugs from Colombia does to athletes.

I can't wait to see this team without Zeke holding them back, and new blood at TE.

Fans are in for a surprise with Schoonmaker.