A Lot of Ifs Riding on Edge

[Bigrandrn]

Thought there was more upside with Bain And Thieneman tbh….thooght end/edge was more important than safety. Bain over Lawrence and I don’t think Thieneman is THAT much less than Downs….more impact from rush. We will see though.

 

[ratkinson]

Disliked because of the Hot Boyz ordeal...

And his remarks after that team wide skull-dragging by the Packers in the '23 playoffs.

 

[kskboys]

Thought there was more upside with Bain And Thieneman tbh….thooght end/edge was more important than safety. Bain over Lawrence and I don’t think Thieneman is THAT much less than Downs….more impact from rush. We will see though.

It's the opposite. Bain is more of a sure thing, but limited by arm length. Theineman is severely limited by his stiff hips and extreme lack of instincts. Has bust written all over him.

The upside of Malachi is massive. I'm curious, why do you think they have more upside?

 

[Bigrandrn]

It's the opposite. Bain is more of a sure thing, but limited by arm length. Theineman is severely limited by his stiff hips and extreme lack of instincts. Has bust written all over him.

The upside of Malachi is massive. I'm curious, why do you think they have more upside?

Bain was productive in college, seemed mor4 of the sure thing….and I think end play/pass rush is more important on D. Downs is defiantly better than Thieneman, but safety is less impactful….so I wanted the more “sure” thing in this draft at end considering how bad our D was. I hope I’m wrong and Lawrence balls out, he’ll even Barham has promise in rushing….just don’t want to get into the season and we have no pass rush lol, will be another long year.

 

[AstroPilota]

As Dandy Don was fond of saying - "If if's and but's were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas!"

Even though this group hasn't played a single down together, you gotta admit it's looking a lot better than the craptastic mess we had at this point last year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Even though this group hasn't played a single down together, you gotta admit it's looking a lot better than the craptastic mess we had at this point last year.

Light years!

 

[kskboys]

Bain was productive in college, seemed mor4 of the sure thing….and I think end play/pass rush is more important on D. Downs is defiantly better than Thieneman, but safety is less impactful….so I wanted the more “sure” thing in this draft at end considering how bad our D was. I hope I’m wrong and Lawrence balls out, he’ll even Barham has promise in rushing….just don’t want to get into the season and we have no pass rush lol, will be another long year.

Upside and sure thing are entirely different matters. Quite often projects have more upside.

Disagree that S is less impactful. That was an idea that got thrown out there and people started agreeing w/ it. The most important positions on D are up the middle: DT/MLB/S.

 

[Bigrandrn]

Upside and sure thing are entirely different matters. Quite often projects have more upside.

Disagree that S is less impactful. That was an idea that got thrown out there and people started agreeing w/ it. The most important positions on D are up the middle: DT/MLB/S.

Eh, I think having someone who can regularly put pressure on the QB helps the backend more than having a good S while having zero rush…..longer the QB has the less effective a great safety or corner becomes. We will see how it plays out. My hope is Lawrence and Barham end up being good pass rushers and Gary peaks and it ends up good, but it’s always a risk no matter the players.

 

[kskboys]

Eh, I think having someone who can regularly put pressure on the QB helps the backend more than having a good S while having zero rush…..longer the QB has the less effective a great safety or corner becomes. We will see how it plays out. My hope is Lawrence and Barham end up being good pass rushers and Gary peaks and it ends up good, but it’s always a risk no matter the players.

Absolutely. However, if you can't cover it doesn't matter. And if you can't collapse the pocket, the QB can simply step up and avoid the edge rusher. CB play is irrelevant if your S's suck.

Jerry has build his entire philosophy(or as close as he has to one) on having a great edge rusher. The great edge rusher has always been nullified in the playoffs, as it's easy to block one guy. There's more to getting to the QB than an edge rusher.

 

[deerhunter11]

Has anybody stopped to consider that Christian Parkers defense all but eliminates the need for dominant edges?

Multiple alignments, two high shells and simulated pressure is the key to this.

I agree and I also think Lawrence, Eze ,Gary and Barham are going to ball out and help Quinnen and Clark dominate in the front seven . LT Overton is going to surprise as well especially in run support.

 

[shabazz]

I agree and I also think Lawrence, Eze ,Gary and Barham are going to ball out and help Quinnen and Clark dominate in the front seven . LT Overton is going to surprise as well especially in run support.

Something this year just feels different.....

 

[75boyz]

Eh, I think having someone who can regularly put pressure on the QB helps the backend more than having a good S while having zero rush…..longer the QB has the less effective a great safety or corner becomes. We will see how it plays out. My hope is Lawrence and Barham end up being good pass rushers and Gary peaks and it ends up good, but it’s always a risk no matter the players.

Exactly.

 

[plasticman]

In a 3-4 style defense the stats go to the OLBs.

The DEs main job is to control the line of scrimmage so the LBs can better access the ball carrier. An OLB is typically the "surprise" pass rusher along with the three D-linemen. It's that unknown factor that creates confusion among the offensive line and leads to sacks.

I realize that the defense is going to be some type of hybrid. However, I think it is going to be difficult to evaluate the performance of DEs this season because of the more diverse responsibilities assigned to them.

I think the Cowboys will create a mix based on the circumstances of the game and abilities of their DEs.

By the way, James Houston, on a per snap basis, is one of the most efficient DEs in the entire NFL. If his stats were expanded by the number of snaps of a typical starter, he would be a league leader in sacks.

Of course, this does not compensate for stamina or game circumstances, but it is still interesting to note.