Akin Ayodele 100 tackles ?

[Jubei]

Can someone please explain to me how Nick Eatman or anyone for that matter can say Akin Ayodele has posted more than 100 tackles in each of his previous four seasons in Jacksonville ?

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/301974

From what I can see its

2002 66
2003 115
2004 92
2005 70

 

[AdamJT13]

Tackles aren't an official stat, and there's no single, accurate source for them. Most teams keep their own stats and consider them "official." The Jaguars credited Ayodele with 108 tackles in 2002, 150 in 2003, 131 in 2004 and 100 in 2005.

 

[Anguillidae]

Tackles are not an official NFL statistic. Teams keep their own statistics and these may differ from those on NFL.com.

On NFL.com it says:

Tackles are not an official NFL statistic. The totals below reflect those recorded by the Stats Crew at each game. For updated tackles stats following coaches film review, please visit individual team web sites from the NFL.com homepage.

 

[Anguillidae]

Tackles aren't an official stat, and there's no single, accurate source for them. Most teams keep their own stats and consider them "official." The Jaguars credited Ayodele with 108 tackles in 2002, 150 in 2003, 131 in 2004 and 100 in 2005.

Beat me to it..

 

[Jubei]

Surely coaches will bloat their players stats ?

 

[ConstantReboot]

I'm guessing that coaches would probably want to really know exactly how much a player produces on the field. In that way they know what players can and cannot do. Therefore, I believe that is why teams keep their own stats.

I don't see why coaches would want to inflate a players stats since it would be wise not to when it comes to renewing one's contract.

 

[Jubei]

The difference between the coaches and the nfl/espn stats are big. I cant believe that the people paid by nfl.com to tally stats are that out. The coaches must be doing something vastly different to warrant such large numbers, and for some reason other than to know how good a players production is.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I can only hope he has a 100 tackle plus year!

 

[SteveOS]

I didn't know that, good to know. Thanks! I figured they were combining the tackles and assists to get those #'s.

 

[burmafrd]

Coaches on teams look at a lot of film that the nfl guys never do. So you really have to give the teams the nod on the numbers.

 

[AbeBeta]

Tackles aren't an official stat, and there's no single, accurate source for them. Most teams keep their own stats and consider them "official." The Jaguars credited Ayodele with 108 tackles in 2002, 150 in 2003, 131 in 2004 and 100 in 2005.

This is correct -- but teams differ in how they credit tackles. Some teams are more generous than others. It is very hard to take any of those tackle #s at face value. The team stats are potentially more accurate as they are based on several looks at the play.

Probably a better stat would be what % of the team's total tackles a player was credited with by the team -- that would standardize the statistic somewhat and allow for better comparisons across teams.

 

[AsthmaField]

Surely coaches will bloat their players stats ?

In order to bloat one player's tackle numbers... you'd have to take away those tackles from another player on your defense. It makes no sense.

Plus, like someone already said, when contract negotiation time rolled around, it would be counter-productive to have inflated the players official stats. I think they simply write down the correct totals and leave it at that. Again, like someone said already, evaluating your own players would be why coaches would want proper numbers and not inflated ones.

You seem to really want Ayodele to not have had 100 tackles per season... any particular reason?

 

[JackMagist]

It was mentioned by Dat Nguyen that Parcells grades tackles differently than Campo had. Parcells system ended up giving lower tackle totals than Campo had. So every Coach has a different philosophy for how to grade it.

I agree that the percent of total team tackles would actually be the best and most telling stat. That would seem to prove out since regardless of the method of grading the tackles Dat was the team leader under both systems.

 

[Hoov]

according to jaguars team stats.....was ayodele the leading tackler for LB's, comparing how many tackles he's credited with compared to the other LB's would be telling us something about how good he played.

tried to find but could not, adam where did you find the jags stats for their players ?

 

[TheHustler]

I wonder if anyone ever totals up the tackles per game a defense gets and totals the number of time an offensive player was tackled.....

 

[AbeBeta]

In order to bloat one player's tackle numbers... you'd have to take away those tackles from another player on your defense. It makes no sense.

Plus, like someone already said, when contract negotiation time rolled around, it would be counter-productive to have inflated the players official stats. I think they simply write down the correct totals and leave it at that. Again, like someone said already, evaluating your own players would be why coaches would want proper numbers and not inflated ones.

You seem to really want Ayodele to not have had 100 tackles per season... any particular reason?

This is not correct -- one guy getting a tackle doesn't take away from another. multiple tackles are given on any play. some teams credit more multi-tackle plays than others. Team stats are always higher than the ones the NFL makes available

It isn't the head coach -- and likely not even the defensive coordinator -- who is assigning tackles. It is more likely the quality control guy or maybe a position coach. So the inflation issue isn't such a big deal - especially if you are inflating everyone on the D the same way. The guys counting tackles have little to do with contracts

But you are right that inflation might occur -- me, I think if I'm a defensive assistant -- and I know Akin is going to be a UFA and likely isn't coming back to the team -- that maybe in that final game I'm looking to get Akin an extra tackle or two so that he can break 100.

 

[MONT17]

Surely coaches will bloat their players stats ?

yeah maybe in HS or College but in the pros people have to pay bills and put kids in college! I dont buy it...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Can someone please explain to me how Nick Eatman or anyone for that matter can say Akin Ayodele has posted more than 100 tackles in each of his previous four seasons in Jacksonville ?

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/301974

From what I can see its

2002 66
2003 115
2004 92
2005 70

look at NFL.com's stats for Dat Nguyen in '02 I believe, he was credited by Dallas for having 172 or 173 tackles, a Cowboy's single-season record, but NFL.com only lists him as having like 80 or 90