Andre Cisco

[TheDuke]

Reading up on some scouting profiles and free safety Andre Cisco from Syracuse seems to be a real ball hawk.

Seems like a interesting prospect.

Any of you know more about him?

 

[Bigdog]

From what some of the posters here who I assume have saw him play he is either feast or famine type player. When he is good he is really good but when he is bad he is awful. I have never seen him play so I can’t say how his play is but I do trust some assessments who are on this board.

 

[Stak78]

After watching Cisco’s highlight reel I was stumped as to why he isn’t a sure 1st rounder. He looks like the second coming of Ed Reed in those highlights. But I have heard several opinions from sports writers that he can really screw up just as much as he makes great plays. Most of the draft gurus have him going in the third round but a few have him as the best safety in the draft. I would have to watch film on him screwing up before I believe it. However, I have a hard time believing sports writers that also say we should take a TE or OG in the first two rounds.

I would take Cisco as high as the 2nd but hope to get him in the 3rd round. I really want a stud DT in the 2nd round and I believe there will be one there when we pick, but there are several DTs that I think have the potential to be special that could be had in the 3rd or 4th. There is no one in this draft at safety that intrigues me other than Cisco. That is because most are projected to be strong safeties. That being said the safest thing for us at free safety would be to sign a good free agent like Hooker or Simmons. That would allow us to gamble on Cisco falling to the 3rd round and getting a difference maker at DT.

 

[TheDuke]

After watching Cisco’s highlight reel I was stumped as to why he isn’t a sure 1st rounder. He looks like the second coming of Ed Reed in those highlights. But I have heard several opinions from sports writers that he can really screw up just as much as he makes great plays. Most of the draft gurus have him going in the third round but a few have him as the best safety in the draft. I would have to watch film on him screwing up before I believe it. However, I have a hard time believing sports writers that also say we should take a TE or OG in the first two rounds.

I would take Cisco as high as the 2nd but hope to get him in the 3rd round. I really want a stud DT in the 2nd round and I believe there will be one there when we pick, but there are several DTs that I think have the potential to be special that could be had in the 3rd or 4th. There is no one in this draft at safety that intrigues me other than Cisco. That is because most are projected to be strong safeties. That being said the safest thing for us at free safety would be to sign a good free agent like Hooker or Simmons. That would allow us to gamble on Cisco falling to the 3rd round and getting a difference maker at DT.

good post

 

[Future]

I've watched - painfully - almost every game Cisco has played. I think he catches too much flak on this board, but he is very much a feast or famine type player. The Cuse scheme really gave him a lot of freedom to roam and try to make plays but that can come at a cost. The question in the NFL is whether or not he can still make some plays AND be responsible. I actually like him a lot more as an NFL safety than a college safety for that reason. When there's more structure around him (though who knows whether that would be true in Dallas lol) and clearer responsibilities, I don't think that'd be as much of an issue.

But as a pure ball hawk, I don't think a better safety has come out in years. When he diagnoses correctly, including against the run, he's about as good as a college safety gets.

I also think the fact that he played at Cuse, and not in the SEC, changes the narrative around him. We'd have been talking about him the same as Delpit all year if he played at LSU or Bama.

 

[KingintheNorth]

from The Draft Network.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/andre-cisco/o4GOHSehF9

blurbs from Joe Marino's profile on Cisco

Syracuse safety Andre Cisco’s college career will be remembered for the frequent splash plays he made on the football that resulted in 13 interceptions and 14 pass breakups in just 24 games. He’s a ball magnet and his ability to take away the football makes him an appealing prospect...

...In addition, Cisco is inconsistent when it comes to run fills, tackling, mirroring routes in man, and anticipating routes in zone. From a technique standpoint, Cisco has considerable room for growth.

Ideal Role: Starting free safety that plays primarily in deep alignments.

Scheme Fit: Single-high and split-zone safety.

from an article on Fansided.com by Seth Steere

https://withthefirstpick.com/2020/05/14/2021-nfl-draft-missing-piece-andre-cisco-puzzle/

When you’re reviewing the checklist on Cisco he checks every box, every box, but one. Surely this shouldn’t have a huge effect on his draft stock, it is only one part of his game that’s missing. However, it is one of the most important skills you look for in a safety; tackling.

For a safety, tackling is one of the most important aspects of their game — they don’t have to be a boomer and lay the hammer every time, but they need to be able to bring down the ball-carrier successfully at a high-rate. The difference between a safety making and missing the tackle is huge, if the safety misses the tackle it likely means a touchdown for the offense; the safety is that last line of defense and he HAS to be sure-tackler.

...In order for Cisco to make the jump, he’s going to do a complete technical overhaul. The willingness is there, he forces hard against the run and is willing to stick his nose in gaps, meeting the running back in the hole, but he just lacks the ability to finish. When tackling head-on he meets the ball-carrier as opposed to going through him. Tackles on the outside when he’s forced to take an angle, his angles are poor and he doesn’t do a great job of breaking down, often leaving his feet too early.


from SI.com, Mike McAllister

https://www.si.com/college/syracuse/football/nfl-draft-profile-andre-cisco

STRENGTHS: "At Syracuse, he just proved to be a true ball hawk. We project him at the next level as a boundary safety. He's going to thrive playing in the box and stuffing the run. That's what he does very well.

AREAS TO IMPROVE: "In terms of what he needs to improve, talking to coach Babers, he can be a little bit better tackler. Specifically making sure he's in a better position to make the tackle.


He also made Bruce Feldman's annual Freak list...

Freakiest attribute: Speed, but he’s sneaky strong too

Cisco is one of the best defensive backs in college football. In 22 games, he has 125 tackles, 12 INTs; 16 pass breakups, two forced fumbles and one fumble recovery. That’s a ton of production and shows he has a real nose for the football. Like his teammate Trill Williams, Cisco also has dazzling athleticism. At 6-0, 210, he’s run a 4.33 laser-timed 40, clocked a 4.1 in the shuttle, vertical jumped 36 inches and benched 225 17 times.


Some Twitter reactions:

 

[Bigdog]

After watching Cisco’s highlight reel I was stumped as to why he isn’t a sure 1st rounder. He looks like the second coming of Ed Reed in those highlights. But I have heard several opinions from sports writers that he can really screw up just as much as he makes great plays. Most of the draft gurus have him going in the third round but a few have him as the best safety in the draft. I would have to watch film on him screwing up before I believe it. However, I have a hard time believing sports writers that also say we should take a TE or OG in the first two rounds.

I would take Cisco as high as the 2nd but hope to get him in the 3rd round. I really want a stud DT in the 2nd round and I believe there will be one there when we pick, but there are several DTs that I think have the potential to be special that could be had in the 3rd or 4th. There is no one in this draft at safety that intrigues me other than Cisco. That is because most are projected to be strong safeties. That being said the safest thing for us at free safety would be to sign a good free agent like Hooker or Simmons. That would allow us to gamble on Cisco falling to the 3rd round and getting a difference maker at DT.

I've watched - painfully - almost every game Cisco has played. I think he catches too much flak on this board, but he is very much a feast or famine type player. The Cuse scheme really gave him a lot of freedom to roam and try to make plays but that can come at a cost. The question in the NFL is whether or not he can still make some plays AND be responsible. I actually like him a lot more as an NFL safety than a college safety for that reason. When there's more structure around him (though who knows whether that would be true in Dallas lol) and clearer responsibilities, I don't think that'd be as much of an issue.

But as a pure ball hawk, I don't think a better safety has come out in years. When he diagnoses correctly, including against the run, he's about as good as a college safety gets.

I also think the fact that he played at Cuse, and not in the SEC, changes the narrative around him. We'd have been talking about him the same as Delpit all year if he played at LSU or Bama.

Thank you two for the assessments. I have never seen him play so it is nice to get an opinion from others who has.

 

[Aliencowboy]

Reading up on some scouting profiles and free safety Andre Cisco from Syracuse seems to be a real ball hawk.

Seems like a interesting prospect.

Any of you know more about him?

He had a serious knee injury during the season. Otherwise he would be in round 1 and your right about his tape.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Trevon Moehrig all day, everyday, over Cisco for me.

 

[J-man]

I kind of like him, yes he can improve in consistency, but man he can make some plays. You can't teach what he has and (a good coach, gulp) can teach what he lacks. Would I take him in rd 2? IDK maybe, but I'd probably take a shot on him in rd 3, and in rd 4 all day.

 

[JeffInDC]

Trevon Moehrig all day, everyday, over Cisco for me.

In fact, I’d take Moehrig, Jevon Holland, Richie Grant, and Richard LeCounte over Cisco all day for one reason and one reason only - they all seem to have better instincts than Cisco. I’d even take Hufanga from USC over him, even if I look at him more of a SS/LB hybrid. Give me guys that seem to have high football IQ’s