Are second contracts worth their value?

Cas2800

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When you look at the QB's of the final 4 teams in the playoffs you have Purdy, Burrows, Hurts and Mahomes. Three of the four QB's are playing under their rookie contracts. Only Mahomes is making big money. No doubt Purdy, Burrows and Hurts will all cash in on their next contract but at what expense to the team? Is QB's like Dak, Rogers, Brady, Carr....ect worth 40 Million Dollars more than Purdy, Burrows and Hurts? HELL NO! How in the world did we get to the point where average QB are making 40 million Dollars PER YEAR?? Think how much 40 Million dollars really is. Now if there was no salary cap then by all means a GM he can pay a QB whatever he wants. But in a league of salary caps how can you justify paying 1/4 of your team's salary into 1 player? Something is broken!

When it comes to running backs......The days of giving a RB a second big contract should be over. We all no matter how great RB are when they come out of college, they very seldom worth the big money they are paid in the second contract. When you have a QB making 1/4 the of the team's salary, and you are paying a wore down RB a big salary you are pretty much doomed. When you're talking millions of dollars, who can say Zeke has been more productive than Pollard? Who can say Zeke's production was Millions of dollars over Malik Davis??

No doubt its time to let Zeke go, but what about Pollard? Do we sign him to a Multi-Million dollar contract or do we go with someone like Jerrick Mckinnon and Malik Davis and draft another RB in the 5th? Now of course these are just names in a hypothetical scenario. Let's face it all of them are PRO football players and damn good athletes, but at what price are you willing to pay when you have a limited bank account and 50 + others you have to pay? Is the 150.00 Tomahawk steak that much better than the 40.00 Ribeye when shopping on a 300.00 budget??

This is no way a shot at Dak or Zeke. It's more a question of are second contracts really worth the money these guys are paid? Far too often we see these guys get paid and they lose their drive or their bodies just cant handle the wear and tear.
 

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When you look at the QB's of the final 4 teams in the playoffs you have Purdy, Burrows, Hurts and Mahomes. Three of the four QB's are playing under their rookie contracts. Only Mahomes is making big money. No doubt Purdy, Burrows and Hurts will all cash in on their next contract but at what expense to the team? Is QB's like Dak, Rogers, Brady, Carr....ect worth 40 Million Dollars more than Purdy, Burrows and Hurts? HELL NO! How in the world did we get to the point where average QB are making 40 million Dollars PER YEAR?? Think how much 40 Million dollars really is. Now if there was no salary cap then by all means a GM he can pay a QB whatever he wants. But in a league of salary caps how can you justify paying 1/4 of your team's salary into 1 player? Something is broken!

When it comes to running backs......The days of giving a RB a second big contract should be over. We all no matter how great RB are when they come out of college, they very seldom worth the big money they are paid in the second contract. When you have a QB making 1/4 the of the team's salary, and you are paying a wore down RB a big salary you are pretty much doomed. When you're talking millions of dollars, who can say Zeke has been more productive than Pollard? Who can say Zeke's production was Millions of dollars over Malik Davis??

No doubt its time to let Zeke go, but what about Pollard? Do we sign him to a Multi-Million dollar contract or do we go with someone like Jerrick Mckinnon and Malik Davis and draft another RB in the 5th? Now of course these are just names in a hypothetical scenario. Let's face it all of them are PRO football players and damn good athletes, but at what price are you willing to pay when you have a limited bank account and 50 + others you have to pay? Is the 150.00 Tomahawk steak that much better than the 40.00 Ribeye when shopping on a 300.00 budget??

This is no way a shot at Dak or Zeke. It's more a question of are second contracts really worth the money these guys are paid? Far too often we see these guys get paid and they lose their drive or their bodies just cant handle the wear and tear.
The great Brock Purdy!!! The Niners have paid Garrappollo so that doesnt really qualify.
 

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So lets just let everyone walk and keep drafting rookies as their replacements...

Yes, SOME, second contracts are worth it.
Nobody said that. You just don't spend top dollar into a few players with big names. You spread the cap throughout your team.
 

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When you look at the QB's of the final 4 teams in the playoffs you have Purdy, Burrows, Hurts and Mahomes. Three of the four QB's are playing under their rookie contracts. Only Mahomes is making big money. No doubt Purdy, Burrows and Hurts will all cash in on their next contract but at what expense to the team? Is QB's like Dak, Rogers, Brady, Carr....ect worth 40 Million Dollars more than Purdy, Burrows and Hurts? HELL NO! How in the world did we get to the point where average QB are making 40 million Dollars PER YEAR?? Think how much 40 Million dollars really is. Now if there was no salary cap then by all means a GM he can pay a QB whatever he wants. But in a league of salary caps how can you justify paying 1/4 of your team's salary into 1 player? Something is broken!

When it comes to running backs......The days of giving a RB a second big contract should be over. We all no matter how great RB are when they come out of college, they very seldom worth the big money they are paid in the second contract. When you have a QB making 1/4 the of the team's salary, and you are paying a wore down RB a big salary you are pretty much doomed. When you're talking millions of dollars, who can say Zeke has been more productive than Pollard? Who can say Zeke's production was Millions of dollars over Malik Davis??

No doubt its time to let Zeke go, but what about Pollard? Do we sign him to a Multi-Million dollar contract or do we go with someone like Jerrick Mckinnon and Malik Davis and draft another RB in the 5th? Now of course these are just names in a hypothetical scenario. Let's face it all of them are PRO football players and damn good athletes, but at what price are you willing to pay when you have a limited bank account and 50 + others you have to pay? Is the 150.00 Tomahawk steak that much better than the 40.00 Ribeye when shopping on a 300.00 budget??

This is no way a shot at Dak or Zeke. It's more a question of are second contracts really worth the money these guys are paid? Far too often we see these guys get paid and they lose their drive or their bodies just cant handle the wear and tear.
With a few exceptions I agree
 

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The great Brock Purdy!!! The Niners have paid Garrappollo so that doesnt really qualify.
I know it hurts huh? But that further proves my point. Garrappollo while hes not making 40 million, is still not worth the what he's being paid.
 

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When it comes to running backs......The days of giving a RB a second big contract should be over.
Zeke's second contract was inevitable. After using a rare #4 overall draft pick on him, there was no way JJ was going to let him walk. One bad decision led to a second bad decision.

I don't think you can generalize too much about second contracts. The important discussion is where you are going to allocate your limited salary cap dollars, and draft picks too for that matter. Not all second contracts have to be over-priced either. Better too to give a nice second contract to a stud DL or OL though.
 

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Nobody said that. You just don't spend top dollar into a few players with big names. You spread the cap throughout your team.
All teams spend top dollar on big name players Someone needs to go pick a QB and RB off one of them there trees they get grown on
 

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I know it hurts huh? But that further proves my point. Garrappollo while hes not making 40 million, is still not worth the what he's being paid.
Garrappolo is making around 30 million I believe. The other rookie has to be making around 6. 36 million is close enough. Your point is moot.

If Rush was our QB would you claim its working because hes on a rookie deal?
 

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Second contracts might need to be weighted differently against the cap so teams can keep drafted talent. The problem is the NFL really doesn’t care. The league is tremendously popular as it is so their focus is on adding more games and possibly more teams.
 

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It’s confirmation bias. Mahomes has been to 5 AFCCG, 3 on the megadeal. Tom Brady made umpteen on his big contracts, Matt Stafford won the SB on his, Peyton Manning won the SB on his AND not being a contributing factor. Aaron Rodgers was already on his second deal when he won his, as was Eli for 2011

It can be done both ways
 

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A contract like Mahomes got is pretty good. A 10 year contract. It's good because the back half won't seem like a lot of money when they get there. They'll have a lot more cap space in years to come, and Mahomes.
 

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Garrappolo is making around 30 million I believe. The other rookie has to be making around 6. 36 million is close enough. Your point is moot.

If Rush was our QB would you claim its working because hes on a rookie deal?
Jimmy made $7 million this year, $11 million with incentives.

Lance made $9. So no, not even close to the 36 you claim. Want to unmoot that or is 20 million off close enough for you?

Edited to add Lance.
 
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It’s confirmation bias. Mahomes has been to 5 AFCCG, 3 on the megadeal. Tom Brady made umpteen on his big contracts, Matt Stafford won the SB on his, Peyton Manning won the SB on his AND not being a contributing factor.

It can be for both ways
It's cap hit, not just that they got an extension. This year is the first year of Mahomes 10 year extension. He was a 7 million dollar cap hit last year. Matt Stafford took up 10% of the cap when they won it. If you can keep the cap hit low, it doesn't matter what contract you're on. That's not always easy.
 

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Jimmy made $7 million this year, $11 million with incentives.

Lance made $9. So no, not close to 36. Want to unmoot that or is 20 million off close enough for you?

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Thanks for the info. Lets call it 20 million. What did Dak cost us? 27 million?

7 million didnt get the Niners the better squad they have. Like I said............Its moot.
 

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Garrappolo is making around 30 million I believe. The other rookie has to be making around 6. 36 million is close enough. Your point is moot.

If Rush was our QB would you claim its working because hes on a rookie deal?
Wrong. Try again.
 
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