Big Mike wins big

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Under the too much free time right now I decided to have a look at Big Mike's wins relative to the prior clown like regime. I have always believed Garrett's teams won way too many close games and lacked the killer instinct. Garrett was weak and his teams reflected that. I also feel like Dallas has learned to pound on teams a bit under Big Mike. I wanted to see if the data supported that. It does. Forgive the formatting but Garrett won almost half his games by a touchdown and under. About 29% by > 2 touchdowns. Big Mike on the other hand has won almost 52% of his games by over 2 touchdowns. That is even more impressive considering Dak's injuries during his tenure. The data is below and pretty obvious. I know he has his doubters but Big Mike has done a good job in Dallas. Thoughts?

Win By Garrett 2011-2019
0-3 20 25.0%
4-7 19 23.8%
8-14 18 22.5%
15-21 10 12.5%
>21 13 16.3%

Win By Big Mike 2020-2022
0-3 5 18.5%
4-7 4 14.8%
8-14 4 14.8%
15-21 7 25.9%
>21 7 25.9%
 

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Under the too much free time right now I decided to have a look at Big Mike's wins relative to the prior clown like regime. I have always believed Garrett's teams won way too many close games and lacked the killer instinct. Garrett was weak and his teams reflected that. I also feel like Dallas has learned to pound on teams a bit under Big Mike. I wanted to see if the data supported that. It does. Forgive the formatting but Garrett won almost half his games by a touchdown and under. About 29% by > 2 touchdowns. Big Mike on the other hand has won almost 52% of his games by over 2 touchdowns. That is even more impressive considering Dak's injuries during his tenure. The data is below and pretty obvious. I know he has his doubters but Big Mike has done a good job in Dallas. Thoughts?

Win By Garrett 2011-2019
0-3 20 25.0%
4-7 19 23.8%
8-14 18 22.5%
15-21 10 12.5%
>21 13 16.3%

Win By Big Mike 2020-2022
0-3 5 18.5%
4-7 4 14.8%
8-14 4 14.8%
15-21 7 25.9%
>21 7 25.9%
In comparing the two, Mike is better, but I’d say that was more about Garrett being bad than Mike being good.

Garrett lost the room long before he was let go IMO. After years of the same five sentences in the same tone, people will tend to tune you out.
 

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He got a reserve spot at the front of the line and seating close to the buffet line at Golden Corral?
 

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I would say it's more about the guy picking the talent for them.
Nowadays it's not Jerry thank God
Seriously Marinelli and Nolan would be fitting these multi talented players into their systems. Quinn is squeezing out and devoping every ounce of skill from these players and putting them into positions to thrive.
I'm sure the red headed step child would have fared better with Quinn
 
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At the risk of sounding like a Garrett apologist, I'm pretty sure a lot of those wins seemed closer than they were because they went to prevent defense every time they were ahead. That gives the other team the chance to score, but it usually takes a lot of time off the clock, giving them less chance to score more than once, as long as your offense doesn't hand it right back. Don't get me wrong, I hate prevent defense, and I still think the close scores are JG's responsibility, but if we were the team on the other side, a lot of people here would be calling that "garbage time" stats.

Also, our defense now keeps the opponents' scores lower than it used to.
 
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I always felt once Garrett got up big he pulled back and was interested in running the clock out.
 

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At the risk of sounding like a Garrett apologist, I'm pretty sure a lot of those wins seemed closer than they were because they went to prevent defense every time they were ahead. That gives the other team the chance to score, but it usually takes a lot of time off the clock, giving them less chance to score more than once, as long as your offense doesn't hand it right back. Don't get me wrong, I hate prevent defense, and I still think the close scores are JG's responsibility, but if we were the team on the other side, a lot of people here would be calling that "garbage time" stats.

Also, our defense now keeps the opponents' scores lower than it used to.
Yes, it is easier to blow teams out when you have a very good/great defense. Garrett never had that but that was also on him.
 

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At the risk of sounding like a Garrett apologist, I'm pretty sure a lot of those wins seemed closer than they were because they went to prevent defense every time they were ahead. That gives the other team the chance to score, but it usually takes a lot of time off the clock, giving them less chance to score more than once, as long as your offense doesn't hand it right back. Don't get me wrong, I hate prevent defense, and I still think the close scores are JG's responsibility, but if we were the team on the other side, a lot of people here would be calling that "garbage time" stats.

Also, our defense now keeps the opponents' scores lower than it used to.
4 of Garrett's 9 years the win point differential was 9 and under. His was consistent with his play it close mentality.
 

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4 of Garrett's 9 years the win point differential was 9 and under. His was consistent with his play it close mentality.
I know he got conservative once he got ahead, and I hated it, but that was a choice by him. It was less about ability and more about caution.
 

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I will add this...McCarthy compiled this record without his starting QB in 17 of the 45 games. That makes this even more impressive and I think negates some of the Garrett had no defense talk. Bottom line is my feeling is things are different in Dallas. This team is for real.
 

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I know he got conservative once he got ahead, and I hated it, but that was a choice by him. It was less about ability and more about caution.

I disagree. I think he played to keep the games close. Questionable clock management. Long drives without a touchdown. I remember a lot of 7 minute drives with a FG to show for it.
 

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I disagree. I think he played to keep the games close. Questionable clock management. Long drives without a touchdown. I remember a lot of 7 minute drives with a FG to show for it.
Keep the games close, for what purpose? I honestly don't understand what you're saying.
 

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I once had a Statistics professor who said. "if you can't make the Statistics prove what ever point you want to prove you need a new statistician."
 

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Under the too much free time right now I decided to have a look at Big Mike's wins relative to the prior clown like regime. I have always believed Garrett's teams won way too many close games and lacked the killer instinct. Garrett was weak and his teams reflected that. I also feel like Dallas has learned to pound on teams a bit under Big Mike. I wanted to see if the data supported that. It does. Forgive the formatting but Garrett won almost half his games by a touchdown and under. About 29% by > 2 touchdowns. Big Mike on the other hand has won almost 52% of his games by over 2 touchdowns. That is even more impressive considering Dak's injuries during his tenure. The data is below and pretty obvious. I know he has his doubters but Big Mike has done a good job in Dallas. Thoughts?

Win By Garrett 2011-2019
0-3 20 25.0%
4-7 19 23.8%
8-14 18 22.5%
15-21 10 12.5%
>21 13 16.3%

Win By Big Mike 2020-2022
0-3 5 18.5%
4-7 4 14.8%
8-14 4 14.8%
15-21 7 25.9%
>21 7 25.9%
I agree....Mike has really gotten comfortable here.
It's 11:22 am and Garrett still sucks.
 

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At the risk of sounding like a Garrett apologist, I'm pretty sure a lot of those wins seemed closer than they were because they went to prevent defense every time they were ahead. That gives the other team the chance to score, but it usually takes a lot of time off the clock, giving them less chance to score more than once, as long as your offense doesn't hand it right back. Don't get me wrong, I hate prevent defense, and I still think the close scores are JG's responsibility, but if we were the team on the other side, a lot of people here would be calling that "garbage time" stats.

Also, our defense now keeps the opponents' scores lower than it used to.

"Prevent" or in other words-preventing me from covering the 10.5 pt. spread on Thanksgiving day. :banghead::thumbdown:
 

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I have nothing to support it other than anecdotally they never had a killer instinct under Garrett. My opinion.
I agree, there was never a 'step on their necks to the end' attitude. On the other hand, running up the score can be kinda douchey. The game against the Colts isn't the type I'm referring to, FYI. That was the players giving everything they had. I'm talking about the coaches who go for it on 4th down when they're up by 21 in the fourth quarter.

I always hated when Garrett would let up off the gas pedal. I don't know if he was trying to be kind to the other team, or if he was worried about making them mad, or if he just didn't want to think any more.
 
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