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Who shined and who struggled over the first week of training camp?

The first week of training camp is coming to a close and the Cowboys just completed four days worth of practices. The last two days were padded practices where players put on the gear and were allowed to hit each other. There were a lot of interesting battles going as the team gears up to solidify the roster entering the new season. Which players had a good showing and are giving us more reasons to be excited? What about those who didn’t perform so well? Here’s a Week 1 stock report in the first edition of our risers and fallers from Cowboys training camp.

RISERS


Cole Beasley

It was a good first run for both newcomers Allen Hurns and Michael Gallup, but it was the veteran “slot” receiver that was having himself quite the weekend. The team has said they aren’t going to box in receivers with a limited arsenal of routes, and early signs point to just that. Beasley has been lining up on the outside and looks as if he’s been doing this his entire career.

A lot is made about the new techniques being offered up by new receivers coach Sanjay Lal, but these small attentions to detail are already helping. Beasley breaks sharply out of his routes and the timing with Dak Prescott so far has been flawless. The quick-footed Beasley is doing a great job separating and has stood out in camp as the team’s best receiver.

Byron Jones

All eyes were on the veteran defensive back as he is now playing cornerback after spending the last two and a half seasons at safety. The move was made to better incorporate his athletic skills and so far, it’s working. Camp has just begun, but already Jones is showing off two of his stronger attributes - his make-up speed and his leaping ability.

Against Deonte Thompson, Jones was in perfection position to high-point the ball for an interception on a deep pass. He got caught up with another deep coverage assignment against Lance Lenoir on Sunday and even though it looked like Lenoir had enough space between them, Jones sprang up at the last second to knock the ball away. It’s a great sign to see him having this type of success so early.

Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz

One of the biggest worries coming into camp was how the team was going to replace the great Jason Witten at the tight end position. And when rumors were circulating early about the struggles of Rico Gathers, things looked pretty dim. But all this worry could be for naught as both Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz are off to really good starts. Jarwin gets off the line quickly, is fluid out of his breaks, and catches the ball naturally.

Schultz, who was seen primarily as an in-line blocking tight end in Stanford is relatively unproven as a receiver, but early indications are that it’s something he’s up for. He’s been crisp out of his routes and looks very comfortable catching the ball.

This is good news as both these guys have the attributes to be a balanced, dual-threat tight end versus the limited skill set of Geoff Swaim (blocking) and Rico (receiving).

FALLERS


Rico Gathers

The Baylor basketball star-turned tight end has had plenty of growing pains as he attempts to learn the game of football. It’s one of the reasons he’s still yet to register a single regular season snap after already being in the league for two seasons. The knock on Gathers has been his poor blocking, but his struggles are extending over into the receiving portion as well. He shows a lack of body control, doesn’t get out of his breaks well, and is even dropping passes. Right now, he looks like a long shot to make this roster.

Chaz Green

Normally, injury-related issues shouldn’t work against a player to evaluate whether he’s performing well on the field or not, but in Green’s case he needs to have a near perfect training camp to have any chance to make this team. And every little setback hurts. And so far, he’s had a couple of little setbacks. On the first day of practice he needed an IV to help him with dehydration. And then on Sunday, he limped off the field with a leg injury.

Mike White

The arm strength of rookie quarterback Mike White is something to be excited about, but we have to remind ourselves he still got a lot of work to do. So far, White has struggled with accuracy during camp. One of his biggest drawbacks is how he sits in the pocket too long and doesn’t react well under pressure. With a suspect Cowboys reserve offensive line, this could be an issue he deals with all summer.

In contrast, his competition for the backup QB spot, Cooper Rush, continues to play well and doesn’t show any signs of relinquishing the number two quarterback spot.

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One thing people need to keep in mind. A player like Jason Witten cannot be replaced. It is up to the coaches and players to fill the void in other ways. Then to use those players strengths to make it work to help the team.

To many fans and media will always compare the Te's to Jason, no matter what. It will take several years or so to change that mind set. Even then, some pundit will bring up how they are struggling to replace Witten. Rather it is true or not.

I think we have some decent players at TE. Yes, we all are a bit concerned, but if the utilize the skills and not try to make them be Witten then I think we may be pleasantly surprised it is not as dire as some think. Still concerned, yes, but not void either.
 

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I really thought Rico having the eyes of a killer would give him the inside track:)
It looks like his next album will be entitled...Death Of A Legend
 
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One thing people need to keep in mind. A player like Jason Witten cannot be replaced. It is up to the coaches and players to fill the void in other ways. Then to use those players strengths to make it work to help the team.

To many fans and media will always compare the Te's to Jason, no matter what. It will take several years or so to change that mind set. Even then, some pundit will bring up how they are struggling to replace Witten. Rather it is true or not.

I think we have some decent players at TE. Yes, we all are a bit concerned, but if the utilize the skills and not try to make them be Witten then I think we may be pleasantly surprised it is not as dire as some think. Still concerned, yes, but not void either.

One thing to keep in mind is that the Jason Witten of 2017 was not the Jason Witten of 2012.

His performance had torpedoed in a number of areas and was no longer even a top-20 TE.

On top of his diminished play was the fact he was out there for just about every bloody snap, so just about every formation had at least one TE in it, which further added to the problems of predictability on offense.
 

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Who shined and who struggled over the first week of training camp?

The first week of training camp is coming to a close and the Cowboys just completed four days worth of practices. The last two days were padded practices where players put on the gear and were allowed to hit each other. There were a lot of interesting battles going as the team gears up to solidify the roster entering the new season. Which players had a good showing and are giving us more reasons to be excited? What about those who didn’t perform so well? Here’s a Week 1 stock report in the first edition of our risers and fallers from Cowboys training camp.

RISERS


Cole Beasley

It was a good first run for both newcomers Allen Hurns and Michael Gallup, but it was the veteran “slot” receiver that was having himself quite the weekend. The team has said they aren’t going to box in receivers with a limited arsenal of routes, and early signs point to just that. Beasley has been lining up on the outside and looks as if he’s been doing this his entire career.

A lot is made about the new techniques being offered up by new receivers coach Sanjay Lal, but these small attentions to detail are already helping. Beasley breaks sharply out of his routes and the timing with Dak Prescott so far has been flawless. The quick-footed Beasley is doing a great job separating and has stood out in camp as the team’s best receiver.

Byron Jones

All eyes were on the veteran defensive back as he is now playing cornerback after spending the last two and a half seasons at safety. The move was made to better incorporate his athletic skills and so far, it’s working. Camp has just begun, but already Jones is showing off two of his stronger attributes - his make-up speed and his leaping ability.

Against Deonte Thompson, Jones was in perfection position to high-point the ball for an interception on a deep pass. He got caught up with another deep coverage assignment against Lance Lenoir on Sunday and even though it looked like Lenoir had enough space between them, Jones sprang up at the last second to knock the ball away. It’s a great sign to see him having this type of success so early.

Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz

One of the biggest worries coming into camp was how the team was going to replace the great Jason Witten at the tight end position. And when rumors were circulating early about the struggles of Rico Gathers, things looked pretty dim. But all this worry could be for naught as both Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz are off to really good starts. Jarwin gets off the line quickly, is fluid out of his breaks, and catches the ball naturally.

Schultz, who was seen primarily as an in-line blocking tight end in Stanford is relatively unproven as a receiver, but early indications are that it’s something he’s up for. He’s been crisp out of his routes and looks very comfortable catching the ball.

This is good news as both these guys have the attributes to be a balanced, dual-threat tight end versus the limited skill set of Geoff Swaim (blocking) and Rico (receiving).

FALLERS


Rico Gathers

The Baylor basketball star-turned tight end has had plenty of growing pains as he attempts to learn the game of football. It’s one of the reasons he’s still yet to register a single regular season snap after already being in the league for two seasons. The knock on Gathers has been his poor blocking, but his struggles are extending over into the receiving portion as well. He shows a lack of body control, doesn’t get out of his breaks well, and is even dropping passes. Right now, he looks like a long shot to make this roster.

Chaz Green

Normally, injury-related issues shouldn’t work against a player to evaluate whether he’s performing well on the field or not, but in Green’s case he needs to have a near perfect training camp to have any chance to make this team. And every little setback hurts. And so far, he’s had a couple of little setbacks. On the first day of practice he needed an IV to help him with dehydration. And then on Sunday, he limped off the field with a leg injury.

Mike White

The arm strength of rookie quarterback Mike White is something to be excited about, but we have to remind ourselves he still got a lot of work to do. So far, White has struggled with accuracy during camp. One of his biggest drawbacks is how he sits in the pocket too long and doesn’t react well under pressure. With a suspect Cowboys reserve offensive line, this could be an issue he deals with all summer.

In contrast, his competition for the backup QB spot, Cooper Rush, continues to play well and doesn’t show any signs of relinquishing the number two quarterback spot.

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Fake news. I heard Mike White was throwing a football into a target. And he has all that arm talent.
 

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This is week one, not the 7th week of the regular season. People are so hungry for anything, they write things of this nature. Patience people, patience.
 

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One thing to keep in mind is that the Jason Witten of 2017 was not the Jason Witten of 2012.

His performance had torpedoed in a number of areas and was no longer even a top-20 TE.

On top of his diminished play was the fact he was out there for just about every bloody snap, so just about every formation had at least one TE in it, which further added to the problems of predictability on offense.

+1

We will miss his consistency and security on 3rd down— and his leadership and toughness are legendary— but his absence does create an opportunity to utilize different skillsets and formations.

With Dez and Witten gone— we may actually see Linehan’s scheme creativity improve, since he can spread the ball around more and has less egos to feed.
 

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We will miss his consistency and security on 3rd down— and his leadership and toughness are legendary— but his absence does create an opportunity to utilize different skillsets and formations.

With Dez and Witten gone— we may actually see Linehan’s scheme creativity improve, since he can spread the ball around more and has less egos to feed.


Exactly.

That's why I'm not on the "Let's burn Linehan at the stake" crowd– yet.

I want to see how the offense looks as far as formations used with the new skill players on offense.
 

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Fake news. I heard Mike White was throwing a football into a target. And he has all that arm talent.
This time two years ago they said similar about Dak. Preseason is where he shined. Same for Rush last season.
 

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We will miss his consistency and security on 3rd down— and his leadership and toughness are legendary— but his absence does create an opportunity to utilize different skillsets and formations.

With Dez and Witten gone— we may actually see Linehan’s scheme creativity improve, since he can spread the ball around more and has less egos to feed.

This was what Stephen was saying, and meaning, by saying Dak will not have them in his ear all the time.
The statement that Sirius mislead Dez into what was actually said. So it created an entire new page of Dez threads.
You know, for the posters that wanted him gone, but still can't stop posting about him. :muttley:
 

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Boooo. I was hoping for some sweet Cowboys news, but BtB looks like they just skimmed some headlines for this.

Dear BloggingtheBoys, quality not quantity.
 

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One thing to keep in mind is that the Jason Witten of 2017 was not the Jason Witten of 2012.

His performance had torpedoed in a number of areas and was no longer even a top-20 TE.

On top of his diminished play was the fact he was out there for just about every bloody snap, so just about every formation had at least one TE in it, which further added to the problems of predictability on offense.
Witten was statically the 8th best TE last year.
 

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One thing people need to keep in mind. A player like Jason Witten cannot be replaced. It is up to the coaches and players to fill the void in other ways. Then to use those players strengths to make it work to help the team.

To many fans and media will always compare the Te's to Jason, no matter what. It will take several years or so to change that mind set. Even then, some pundit will bring up how they are struggling to replace Witten. Rather it is true or not.

I think we have some decent players at TE. Yes, we all are a bit concerned, but if the utilize the skills and not try to make them be Witten then I think we may be pleasantly surprised it is not as dire as some think. Still concerned, yes, but not void either.

Of course a player like Jason Witten can be replaced. Especially the Jason Witten of the last 2 seasons. We just can't replace him with these guys.
 

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I was told Mike White can play hockey on a football field. Hes the greatest thing since the last greatest thing. What is happening?
 

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Not sure why our backup OL should struggle so much. But we have Looney at G/C, Marcus Martin at G/C, Kadeem Edwards at G, Chaz Green at G/T and Cameron Fleming at T. That is three guys that started a fair amount of games, one that started a couple and Edwards has been around. They shouldn't be that bad. When you go beyond that, the defensive talent shouldn't be that much better than what we have that the QB is getting killed. Doesn't make sense.
 

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Witten was statically the 8th best TE last year.

That does not take into account several factors such as blocking, penalties and the shear number of times Witten was targeted as compared to other TE's... In addition to the number of snaps he received, which were 4th amongst all TE's.
 

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Beasley usually does well in training camps. It's how we use him in the regular season. We need to get him the ball at least 5 times a game.
 

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8th in what? He was 13th in yards. Just behind the likes of the vaunted Charles Clay and Eric Ebron.

That's right.

8th in what?

13th in yardage when he was targeted as often as he was just highlights the fact that his skills had decreased noticeably.
 
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