Could McCarthy Use Gibbs like Early Randall Cobb/Ty Montgomery?

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McCarthy has history with RB/WR hybrid types and has found some creative ways to create mismatches with those guys. Could he be bringing that to the offense?

This is honestly the only way I can rationalize drafting him. Love him as a talent, but Garrett/Moore never seemed to use these hybrids right and just run them on jet sweeps here and there. I also don’t see us drafting him to be the thunder to Pollards lightning.

Mike has shown he likes this type of RB/WR, hopefully that’s part of the thought process taking Gibbs.
 

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I totally agree that they have to use him as a WR. It would be foolish not to but same could be said for Pollard and they didn’t do much of it.


I think what would make me ok with Gibson round 1 is

1. You can replace Pollard after this season so you save cap space.

2. You get an absolute electric football player. Something we need.

3. The run game remains explosive and since we aren’t fortunate enough to have an elite QB then having an explosive backfield is the next best thing.

4. People want a check down guy like Mayer? I’d much rather be checking the ball down to this guy who can house it.
 

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There are a number of ways that Gibbs could be used. He definitely catches well enough to play in the slot, and he could come in to give Pollard a break or he could be used in conjunction with him. He is just so dangerous. He would be such a headache on screens.

Of course, the major question is would they use Gibbs in those ways? I think that if the team actually does draft Gibbs, they’ll have that kind of use in mind. He is certainly versatile enough to do whatever you’d want him to.

It makes me ill to think how happy the defenses must’ve been to see Pollard go out and Elliott come in. With Gibbs / Pollard, there would be no rest for the defense.
 

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I totally agree that they have to use him as a WR. It would be foolish not to but same could be said for Pollard and they didn’t do much of it.


I think what would make me ok with Gibson round 1 is

1. You can replace Pollard after this season so you save cap space.

2. You get an absolute electric football player. Something we need.

3. The run game remains explosive and since we aren’t fortunate enough to have an elite QB then having an explosive backfield is the next best thing.

4. People want a check down guy like Mayer? I’d much rather be checking the ball down to this guy who can house it.
Agree. Gibbs is just a guy like Pollard that you need to get the ball 15x or so per game…whether it’s handing it to him, pitching it to him, or throwing it to him doesn’t matter…just let him do his thing
 

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McCarthy has history with RB/WR hybrid types and has found some creative ways to create mismatches with those guys. Coul be bringing that to the offense?

This is honestly the only way I can rationalize drafting him. Love him as a talent, but Garrett/Moore never seemed to use these hybrids right and just run them on jet sweeps here and there. I also don’t see us drafting him to be the thunder to Pollards lightning.

Mike has shown he likes this type of RB/WR, hopefully that’s part of the thought process taking Gibbs.
Taking Gibbs makes little sense.
 

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There are a number of ways that Gibbs could be used. He definitely catches well enough to play in the slot, and he could come in to give Pollard a break or he could be used in conjunction with him. He is just so dangerous. He would be such a headache on screens.

Of course, the major question is would they use Gibbs in those ways? I think that if the team actually does draft Gibbs, they’ll have that kind of use in mind. He is certainly versatile enough to do whatever you’d want him to.

It makes me ill to think how happy the defenses must’ve been to see Pollard go out and Elliott come in. With Gibbs / Pollard, there would be no rest for the defense.
So get a back like that next year. No sense using our first on a guy like that this year.
 

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Dak's rookie year was his best. Lowest INT%, best rating, best record, etc. That's despite having an inferior defense to the current team.

The team leader in receptions that year was Cole Beasley, almost exclusively out of the slot. Cole had no ability to take it to the house but Dak just dumped it down to him. The team also had a dominant run game.

The way I look at it, getting Gibbs could really let Dak play conservative. It would cut down on the INT's and Dallas could let Dak just be a distributor as the playmakers at RB and WR make things happen.
 

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Gibbs is likely the most talented offensive player on the board at the end of the 1st and early 2nd unless someone else drops.

I can't see the Cowboys passing on him with Zeke gone and Pollard hurt, not to mention Dak needs all the dump off help he can get.

Gibbs is that guy
 

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1. You can replace Pollard after this season so you save cap space.

2. You get an absolute electric football player. Something we need.

3. The run game remains explosive and since we aren’t fortunate enough to have an elite QB then having an explosive backfield is the next best thing
This^^^^^especially 1 and 2
 

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Gibbs is likely the most talented offensive player on the board at the end of the 1st and early 2nd unless someone else drops.

I can't see the Cowboys passing on him with Zeke gone and Pollard hurt, not to mention Dak needs all the dump off help he can get.

Gibbs is that guy
The more you think about it the more sense it makes and if anything it he’s going to be fun as heck to watch.
 

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Taking Gibbs makes little sense.
It makes every bit of sense. We were starting to wear down and take over that 9ers game when Pollard went down. They then got to sit back in their cover 2 that completely befuddled our QB for the 2nd straight season. Teams can either sit back and take their chances trying to cover a 4.3 back who can take it home from anywhere on the field, run or pass, with a LB or move up a safety leaving our WRs in man. It’s win win… you just got to look at his potential as a weapon and not as a traditional back.
 

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It makes every bit of sense. We were starting to wear down and take over that 9ers game when Pollard went down. They then got to sit back in their cover 2 that completely befuddled our QB for the 2nd straight season. Teams can either sit back and take their chances trying to cover a 4.3 back who can take it home from anywhere on the field, run or pass, with a LB or move up a safety leaving our WRs in man. It’s win win… you just got to look at his potential as a weapon and not as a traditional back.
Getting a RB makes perfect sense. But not a Pollard clone and not one in the first round. Plenty of other backs all the way into the 4th round.

Oline is much more important than the RB. Our line is in the middle of being overhauled.

When were we wearing down the Niners D and taking over? Must have missed that one.
 

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Getting a RB makes perfect sense. But not a Pollard clone and not one in the first round. Plenty of other backs all the way into the 4th round.

Oline is much more important than the RB. Our line is in the middle of being overhauled.

When were we wearing down the Niners D and taking over? Must have missed that one.
They had one long sustained drive for a TD, they were well into a 2nd one that that looked like like it was going to be at least 3 points when Pollard was hurt. Exactly how many of those would they have held up if we had stayed a 2 dimensional offense? Pollard is going into his 5th season… do you really want to drop a big contract on him? Again, Gibbs is a weapon with a unique skillset. You can always get a traditional back. Where we’re slated to pick both Guards would be a reach… more so when you consider neither scream scheme fit at 330 in our zone scheme… not to mention taking a left guard in the first for a LG in a zone scheme is massive overkill. If there Gibbs would by far be best player available!
 

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Not sure I understand the examples compared to taking Gibbs in round 1 and the role he would have to have to justify the pick.

1-I think you’re remembering Ty Montgomery a little too fondly. He was never all that good. His best season was 805 total yards and 3 tds, only averaged 5 rushing attempts per game. If I recall he was thrust into RB out of desperation because of multiple injuries that year. The following year he was phased out of the offense because he wasn’t good (less than 400 total yards and only 23 catches). The year after that he didn’t finish the season with the packers
2- Randall Cobb was just a receiver, a good 1, but not a “hybrid” player like you’re implying McCarthy used him as. His career high rushing attempts is 13.
 

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Not sure I understand the examples compared to taking Gibbs in round 1 and the role he would have to have to justify the pick.

1-I think you’re remembering Ty Montgomery a little too fondly. He was never all that good. His best season was 805 total yards and 3 tds, only averaged 5 rushing attempts per game. If I recall he was thrust into RB out of desperation because of multiple injuries that year. The following year he was phased out of the offense because he wasn’t good (less than 400 total yards and only 23 catches). The year after that he didn’t finish the season with the packers
2- Randall Cobb was just a receiver, a good 1, but not a “hybrid” player like you’re implying McCarthy used him as. His career high rushing attempts is 13.
Starting from the role and justification:

-Gibbs is not a guy you want making his hay in-between the tackles. He can do it but he has so many hybrid qualities and explosiveness that he’d be most effective used in a non-traditional way.
-In the past offensive regimes, this team has had trouble using guys on offense outside of traditional roles. They use these types on jet sweeps and call it a day. Without a plan for how to use this type of player, I don’t get why they’d select him for a traditional RB role especially when Pollard has the lighting side covered.
-The Cowboys have been said to be looking for a Zeke replacement profile-wise. A bigger back that can handle some of those dirty touches. Gibbs doesn’t fit that profile, so selecting him would insinuate there’s some sort of plan in place.
-Finally, I am not necessarily saying justification in terms of if they should or shouldn’t make the pick. I’m saying it in terms of the factors I mentioned above, it wouldn’t seem likely the team drafts Gibbs to fill the role they’ve been expressing interest in. This leads me to believe that if that pick is indeed made Mike has some ideas for Gibbs use dating back to what he did with Cobb and Montgomery.

Now, in terms of the comparisons of roles with Cobb and Montgomery, here’s what I’m saying;

-Mentioning Ty Montgomery is not about his career or how good he was, it’s purely about the way Mike used him in GB.
-I said early Cobb. His rookie year he played a much more creative all around role. He developed quickly into a reliable slot but he came into the league out of college being a hybrid type guy.
-Both these guys ran routes out of the backfield, started lined up in the backfield and flared out to the slot to run routes, and were chess pieces that GB used in multiple alignments to create mismatches.
-Yes, Montgomery was much more of a runner than Cobb was. But the point is they were both used in non-traditional ways to exploit matchups. This history Mike has makes me a bit more confident that we can use a guy like Gibbs to his full potential. I would not feel that way with previous offensive regimes.
 

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The major point I took out of the OP was that McCarthy has a history of liking pass catching RBs. Also, the history of the WCO is covered with pass catching RBs.

Anyways, at the end of the 1st round I see only 2 dynamic playmakers available: Gibbs n Kincaid. Get one of them.
 

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McCarthy has history with RB/WR hybrid types and has found some creative ways to create mismatches with those guys. Could he be bringing that to the offense?

This is honestly the only way I can rationalize drafting him. Love him as a talent, but Garrett/Moore never seemed to use these hybrids right and just run them on jet sweeps here and there. I also don’t see us drafting him to be the thunder to Pollards lightning.

Mike has shown he likes this type of RB/WR, hopefully that’s part of the thought process taking Gibbs.
It would be the opposite.

Ty Montgomery was a WR that they converted to RB.

Cobb was a WR that occasionally lined up in the backfield.

Gibbs has much more value if used as both a WR and RB.
- WR is much higher position value. No complaints about WRs in the 1st.
 

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McCarthy has history with RB/WR hybrid types and has found some creative ways to create mismatches with those guys. Could he be bringing that to the offense?

This is honestly the only way I can rationalize drafting him. Love him as a talent, but Garrett/Moore never seemed to use these hybrids right and just run them on jet sweeps here and there. I also don’t see us drafting him to be the thunder to Pollards lightning.

Mike has shown he likes this type of RB/WR, hopefully that’s part of the thought process taking Gibbs.
He should. They don't have half the talent Gibbs does. HE made the most out of Ty Montgomery.
 

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It would be the opposite.

Ty Montgomery was a WR that they converted to RB.

Cobb was a WR that occasionally lined up in the backfield.

Gibbs has much more value if used as both a WR and RB.
- WR is much higher position value. No complaints about WRs in the 1st.
Comparison is purely to highlight McCarthy’s history with guys who offer versatility in usage between backfield and being split out.

None of those guys are Gibbs comparisons as a player, more about their position flex and the fact that Mike was able to take advantage of that. Something we’ve struggled to do in the past.
 
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