CFZ Cowboys best Offensive Guards were Offensive Tackles in College

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The Cowboys Right Guard, perennial All-Pro Zack Martin, was an Offensive Tackle in College. At Left Guard, going back a decade, Ron Leary was an offensive Tackle at Memphis, La'el Collins was an offensive tackle at LSU, and Connor Williams was an offensive Tackle at Texas. It was only last year that the Cowboys finally started Connor McGovern at Left Guard, and he played Center and Guard at Penn State. Going back even further, Hall of Fame Left Guard Larry Allen played offensive Tackle at Sonoma State.

Why does this matter? A lot of people believe the Cowboys have a hole in their roster at Left Guard now that McGovern signed a 3-year deal with Buffalo for $22.35 million. But the Cowboys signed Chuma Edoga in the offseason. Edoga played offensive Tackle for USC in college, and also started 8 games as a rookie 3rd round pick of the Jets in 2019. But like so many other players who've played offensive tackle, the Cowboys plan to switch him to Guard.

Why do the Cowboys like to convert college offensive tackles to the guard position in the NFL? Quite frankly, players who play tackle in college tend to be more nimble on their feet. But at the Pro level, one of the key factors in determining success at the offensive tackle is arm length. A lot of college offensive tackles can be successful in college based on technique, power and quick feet. But at the NFL level, arm length, i.e. the ability to outreach pass rushers and get into their chests when blocking them, is a key factor. Zack Martin in a future HOF player at the Guard position, and many think he can play tackle if he wanted to in the NFL. But Martin has arms that are less than 33" long. Typically, you need at least 34" long arms to be successful at tackle in the NFL. By contrast, future HOF Tackle Tyron Smith has 36-3/8" arms, which allows him to reach into the body of pass-rushers and block their momentum, while denying them leverage. Of course, there are exceptions, but the general rule is that you want your tackles to have long arms.

That trait is not as important at the guard position. But the other traits that lead to success in college, such as quick feet and power, are needed for success at the guard position in the NFL. The best college offensive linemen tend to play tackle in college. So, it isn't shocking that when the NFL converts players who were very successful at the offensive tackle position in college to playing offensive guard in the NFL. NFL Guards need power and to be nimble on their feet. Also pass blocking at tackle in college trains them to have better hand technique than other college offensive linemen. Meanwhile, it doesn't hurt to have long arms playing guard either. But if a player with long arms struggles playing tackle in the NFL, it is usually due to deficiencies in other skills such as foot speed or technique. Often times, those deficiencies are hidden more when converting that player to the Guard position.

So, it shouldn't be a shock to learn that the Cowboys plan to convert Edoga to the Guard position. And while many project Northwestern's Peter Skoronski and Tennessee's Darnell Wright as an NFL offensive tackles, they also have short arms. So, if the Cowboys do draft a player to fill the Left Guard position, don't be surprised if they draft a player that played OT in college. Certainly, players like college offensive guards Torrence and Avila, are options, but so are players who were short-armed tackles in college. The shorter the arms of a top-ranked college offensive tackle, the more likely he'll be coverted to Guard in the NFL. And the key number is 34".

TOP 2023 College Offensive Line Prospects
  • OT Peter Skoronki, Northwestern - 32-1/4" arm length
  • OT Paris Johnson, Ohio State - 36-1/8" arm length
  • OT Broderick Jones, Alabama - 34-3/4" arm length
  • OT Anton Jones, Oklahoma - 34-1/8" arm length
  • OG O'Cyrus Torrence, Florida - 33-7/8" arm length
  • OT Dawand Jones, Ohio State, 36-3/8" arm length
  • OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee - 33-3/4" arm length
  • OC John Michael Schmitz, Minnesota - 32-5/8" arm length
  • OT Cody Mauch, North Dakota State, 32-3/8" arm length
  • OT Matthew Bergeron, Syracuse, 33-3/4" arm length
  • OG Steve Avila, TCU - 33" arm length
One of the reasons that I believe La'el Collins struggled playing right tackle, and a good reason he was released by the Bengals this offseason, is that he was a short-armed tackle, with 33-1/4" arms. I think Collins could have been an All-Pro level player at the Guard position. But I also believe the Cowboys promised him he would get to play OT in order to sign him, and thus were committed. It would have been in his best interest to keep him playing Left Guard, and he would likely still be employed in the NFL.

Again, arm length is certainly not the only criteria for success playing Tackle in the NFL. Joe Thomas was just selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame for playing offensive tackle in Cleveland and his arms were shorter than 34" - but only by 1/4". But if a players arms are significantly shorter than 34", he's going to have a hard time blocking pass rushers who have long arms, and can thus create leverage when playing against short-armed offensive linemen. Great footwork, intelligence and blocking technique matter too. But just as pure speed is a critical factor in determining the NFL success of cornerbacks, so too is arm length a critical factor in determining success as an offensive tackle.

So, that is one reason why many college offensive tackles are better off playing guard in the NFL. Taking a look at the top 2023 offensive lineman prospects from the list above, don't be shocked if the Cowboys are not just looking at college guards to play for them. They'll also be looking at tackles they can convert to guard. In addition to Torrence and Avila the Cowboys might seriously consider Wright, Mauch and Bergeron. Skoronski is too skilled to make it the Cowboys at #26, but he's likely to find more success in the NFL if, like Zack Martin, he plays on the interior of the offensive line.
 

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The Cowboys Right Guard, perennial All-Pro Zack Martin, was an Offensive Tackle in College. At Left Guard, going back a decade, Ron Leary was an offensive Tackle at Memphis, La'el Collins was an offensive tackle at LSU, and Connor Williams was an offensive Tackle at Texas. It was only last year that the Cowboys finally started Connor McGovern at Left Guard, and he played Center and Guard at Penn State. Going back even further, Hall of Fame Left Guard Larry Allen played offensive Tackle at Sonoma State.

Why does this matter? A lot of people believe the Cowboys have a hole in their roster at Left Guard now that McGovern signed a 3-year deal with Buffalo for $22.35 million. But the Cowboys signed Chuma Edoga in the offseason. Edoga played offensive Tackle for USC in college, and also started 8 games as a rookie 3rd round pick of the Jets in 2019. But like so many other players who've played offensive tackle, the Cowboys plan to switch him to Guard.

Why do the Cowboys like to convert college offensive tackles to the guard position in the NFL? Quite frankly, players who play tackle in college tend to be more nimble on their feet. But at the Pro level, one of the key factors in determining success at the offensive tackle is arm length. A lot of college offensive tackles can be successful in college based on technique, power and quick feet. But at the NFL level, arm length, i.e. the ability to outreach pass rushers and get into their chests when blocking them, is a key factor. Zack Martin in a future HOF player at the Guard position, and many think he can play tackle if he wanted to in the NFL. But Martin has arms that are less than 33" long. Typically, you need at least 34" long arms to be successful at tackle in the NFL. By contrast, future HOF Tackle Tyron Smith has 36-3/8" arms, which allows him to reach into the body of pass-rushers and block their momentum, while denying them leverage. Of course, there are exceptions, but the general rule is that you want your tackles to have long arms.

That trait is not as important at the guard position. But the other traits that lead to success in college, such as quick feet and power, are needed for success at the guard position in the NFL. The best college offensive linemen tend to play tackle in college. So, it isn't shocking that when the NFL converts players who were very successful at the offensive tackle position in college to playing offensive guard in the NFL. NFL Guards need power and to be nimble on their feet. Also pass blocking at tackle in college trains them to have better hand technique than other college offensive linemen. Meanwhile, it doesn't hurt to have long arms playing guard either. But if a player with long arms struggles playing tackle in the NFL, it is usually due to deficiencies in other skills such as foot speed or technique. Often times, those deficiencies are hidden more when converting that player to the Guard position.

So, it shouldn't be a shock to learn that the Cowboys plan to convert Edoga to the Guard position. And while many project Northwestern's Peter Skoronski and Tennessee's Darnell Wright as an NFL offensive tackles, they also have short arms. So, if the Cowboys do draft a player to fill the Left Guard position, don't be surprised if they draft a player that played OT in college. Certainly, players like college offensive guards Torrence and Avila, are options, but so are players who were short-armed tackles in college. The shorter the arms of a top-ranked college offensive tackle, the more likely he'll be coverted to Guard in the NFL. And the key number is 34".

TOP 2023 College Offensive Line Prospects
  • OT Peter Skoronki, Northwestern - 32-1/4" arm length
  • OT Paris Johnson, Ohio State - 36-1/8" arm length
  • OT Broderick Jones, Alabama - 34-3/4" arm length
  • OT Anton Jones, Oklahoma - 34-1/8" arm length
  • OG O'Cyrus Torrence, Florida - 33-7/8" arm length
  • OT Dawand Jones, Ohio State, 36-3/8" arm length
  • OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee - 33-3/4" arm length
  • OC John Michael Schmitz, Minnesota - 32-5/8" arm length
  • OT Cody Mauch, North Dakota State, 32-3/8" arm length
  • OT Matthew Bergeron, Syracuse, 33-3/4" arm length
  • OG Steve Avila, TCU - 33" arm length
One of the reasons that I believe La'el Collins struggled playing right tackle, and a good reason he was released by the Bengals this offseason, is that he was a short-armed tackle, with 33-1/4" arms. I think Collins could have been an All-Pro level player at the Guard position. But I also believe the Cowboys promised him he would get to play OT in order to sign him, and thus were committed. It would have been in his best interest to keep him playing Left Guard, and he would likely still be employed in the NFL.

Again, arm length is certainly not the only criteria for success playing Tackle in the NFL. Joe Thomas was just selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame for playing offensive tackle in Cleveland and his arms were shorter than 34" - but only by 1/4". But if a players arms are significantly shorter than 34", he's going to have a hard time blocking pass rushers who have long arms, and can thus create leverage when playing against short-armed offensive linemen. Great footwork, intelligence and blocking technique matter too. But just as pure speed is a critical factor in determining the NFL success of cornerbacks, so too is arm length a critical factor in determining success as an offensive tackle.

So, that is one reason why many college offensive tackles are better off playing guard in the NFL. Taking a look at the top 2023 offensive lineman prospects from the list above, don't be shocked if the Cowboys are not just looking at college guards to play for them. They'll also be looking at tackles they can convert to guard. In addition to Torrence and Avila the Cowboys might seriously consider Wright, Mauch and Bergeron. Skoronski is too skilled to make it the Cowboys at #26, but he's likely to find more success in the NFL if, like Zack Martin, he plays on the interior of the offensive line.
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nice post & agree with overall sentiment.

only complaint is that you mention Lael & CWill. neither of which were high quality guards. Lael might have been if he had stayed there but his one season was nothing to write home about.
 

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Weren't most NFL guards college tackles? It's like how MLB players all came up as shortstops and pitchers before getting pushed to less demanding positions: because that's where you put your best player at lower levels.
 

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The Cowboys Right Guard, perennial All-Pro Zack Martin, was an Offensive Tackle in College. At Left Guard, going back a decade, Ron Leary was an offensive Tackle at Memphis, La'el Collins was an offensive tackle at LSU, and Connor Williams was an offensive Tackle at Texas. It was only last year that the Cowboys finally started Connor McGovern at Left Guard, and he played Center and Guard at Penn State. Going back even further, Hall of Fame Left Guard Larry Allen played offensive Tackle at Sonoma State.

Why does this matter? A lot of people believe the Cowboys have a hole in their roster at Left Guard now that McGovern signed a 3-year deal with Buffalo for $22.35 million. But the Cowboys signed Chuma Edoga in the offseason. Edoga played offensive Tackle for USC in college, and also started 8 games as a rookie 3rd round pick of the Jets in 2019. But like so many other players who've played offensive tackle, the Cowboys plan to switch him to Guard.

Why do the Cowboys like to convert college offensive tackles to the guard position in the NFL? Quite frankly, players who play tackle in college tend to be more nimble on their feet. But at the Pro level, one of the key factors in determining success at the offensive tackle is arm length. A lot of college offensive tackles can be successful in college based on technique, power and quick feet. But at the NFL level, arm length, i.e. the ability to outreach pass rushers and get into their chests when blocking them, is a key factor. Zack Martin in a future HOF player at the Guard position, and many think he can play tackle if he wanted to in the NFL. But Martin has arms that are less than 33" long. Typically, you need at least 34" long arms to be successful at tackle in the NFL. By contrast, future HOF Tackle Tyron Smith has 36-3/8" arms, which allows him to reach into the body of pass-rushers and block their momentum, while denying them leverage. Of course, there are exceptions, but the general rule is that you want your tackles to have long arms.

That trait is not as important at the guard position. But the other traits that lead to success in college, such as quick feet and power, are needed for success at the guard position in the NFL. The best college offensive linemen tend to play tackle in college. So, it isn't shocking that when the NFL converts players who were very successful at the offensive tackle position in college to playing offensive guard in the NFL. NFL Guards need power and to be nimble on their feet. Also pass blocking at tackle in college trains them to have better hand technique than other college offensive linemen. Meanwhile, it doesn't hurt to have long arms playing guard either. But if a player with long arms struggles playing tackle in the NFL, it is usually due to deficiencies in other skills such as foot speed or technique. Often times, those deficiencies are hidden more when converting that player to the Guard position.

So, it shouldn't be a shock to learn that the Cowboys plan to convert Edoga to the Guard position. And while many project Northwestern's Peter Skoronski and Tennessee's Darnell Wright as an NFL offensive tackles, they also have short arms. So, if the Cowboys do draft a player to fill the Left Guard position, don't be surprised if they draft a player that played OT in college. Certainly, players like college offensive guards Torrence and Avila, are options, but so are players who were short-armed tackles in college. The shorter the arms of a top-ranked college offensive tackle, the more likely he'll be coverted to Guard in the NFL. And the key number is 34".

TOP 2023 College Offensive Line Prospects
  • OT Peter Skoronki, Northwestern - 32-1/4" arm length
  • OT Paris Johnson, Ohio State - 36-1/8" arm length
  • OT Broderick Jones, Alabama - 34-3/4" arm length
  • OT Anton Jones, Oklahoma - 34-1/8" arm length
  • OG O'Cyrus Torrence, Florida - 33-7/8" arm length
  • OT Dawand Jones, Ohio State, 36-3/8" arm length
  • OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee - 33-3/4" arm length
  • OC John Michael Schmitz, Minnesota - 32-5/8" arm length
  • OT Cody Mauch, North Dakota State, 32-3/8" arm length
  • OT Matthew Bergeron, Syracuse, 33-3/4" arm length
  • OG Steve Avila, TCU - 33" arm length
One of the reasons that I believe La'el Collins struggled playing right tackle, and a good reason he was released by the Bengals this offseason, is that he was a short-armed tackle, with 33-1/4" arms. I think Collins could have been an All-Pro level player at the Guard position. But I also believe the Cowboys promised him he would get to play OT in order to sign him, and thus were committed. It would have been in his best interest to keep him playing Left Guard, and he would likely still be employed in the NFL.

Again, arm length is certainly not the only criteria for success playing Tackle in the NFL. Joe Thomas was just selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame for playing offensive tackle in Cleveland and his arms were shorter than 34" - but only by 1/4". But if a players arms are significantly shorter than 34", he's going to have a hard time blocking pass rushers who have long arms, and can thus create leverage when playing against short-armed offensive linemen. Great footwork, intelligence and blocking technique matter too. But just as pure speed is a critical factor in determining the NFL success of cornerbacks, so too is arm length a critical factor in determining success as an offensive tackle.

So, that is one reason why many college offensive tackles are better off playing guard in the NFL. Taking a look at the top 2023 offensive lineman prospects from the list above, don't be shocked if the Cowboys are not just looking at college guards to play for them. They'll also be looking at tackles they can convert to guard. In addition to Torrence and Avila the Cowboys might seriously consider Wright, Mauch and Bergeron. Skoronski is too skilled to make it the Cowboys at #26, but he's likely to find more success in the NFL if, like Zack Martin, he plays on the interior of the offensive line.
Arm length is over rated. Lots of players with long wingspans have failed while lots of players with shorter wingspans have done quite well
By the way when Martin filled in a RT he did quite well
Now guard clearly is his best position; just as LA's best position was guard though he made the Pro Bowl (when that actually MEANT something) at tackle.
Cautionary tale as regarding fixation on numbers.
Gil Brandt admitted the boys passed on drafting Mike Singletary because he was ONE HALF INCH SHORT of what they thought was the minimum height for LB in the NFL
So think on that when you obsess over an inch or two
 

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What I remember are guys like Chaz Green and the two Connors having poor ability to sit down and anchor against a bull rush. I recall them getting pushed back and the pocket collapsing in on the quarterback.

And for anyone curious, Google the words “Chuma Edoga” and anchor, and then see how you feel about any talk of him playing left guard.

For that reason, I’d prefer a guard at guard.
 

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The Cowboys Right Guard, perennial All-Pro Zack Martin, was an Offensive Tackle in College. At Left Guard, going back a decade, Ron Leary was an offensive Tackle at Memphis, La'el Collins was an offensive tackle at LSU, and Connor Williams was an offensive Tackle at Texas. It was only last year that the Cowboys finally started Connor McGovern at Left Guard, and he played Center and Guard at Penn State. Going back even further, Hall of Fame Left Guard Larry Allen played offensive Tackle at Sonoma State.

Why does this matter? A lot of people believe the Cowboys have a hole in their roster at Left Guard now that McGovern signed a 3-year deal with Buffalo for $22.35 million. But the Cowboys signed Chuma Edoga in the offseason. Edoga played offensive Tackle for USC in college, and also started 8 games as a rookie 3rd round pick of the Jets in 2019. But like so many other players who've played offensive tackle, the Cowboys plan to switch him to Guard.

Why do the Cowboys like to convert college offensive tackles to the guard position in the NFL? Quite frankly, players who play tackle in college tend to be more nimble on their feet. But at the Pro level, one of the key factors in determining success at the offensive tackle is arm length. A lot of college offensive tackles can be successful in college based on technique, power and quick feet. But at the NFL level, arm length, i.e. the ability to outreach pass rushers and get into their chests when blocking them, is a key factor. Zack Martin in a future HOF player at the Guard position, and many think he can play tackle if he wanted to in the NFL. But Martin has arms that are less than 33" long. Typically, you need at least 34" long arms to be successful at tackle in the NFL. By contrast, future HOF Tackle Tyron Smith has 36-3/8" arms, which allows him to reach into the body of pass-rushers and block their momentum, while denying them leverage. Of course, there are exceptions, but the general rule is that you want your tackles to have long arms.

That trait is not as important at the guard position. But the other traits that lead to success in college, such as quick feet and power, are needed for success at the guard position in the NFL. The best college offensive linemen tend to play tackle in college. So, it isn't shocking that when the NFL converts players who were very successful at the offensive tackle position in college to playing offensive guard in the NFL. NFL Guards need power and to be nimble on their feet. Also pass blocking at tackle in college trains them to have better hand technique than other college offensive linemen. Meanwhile, it doesn't hurt to have long arms playing guard either. But if a player with long arms struggles playing tackle in the NFL, it is usually due to deficiencies in other skills such as foot speed or technique. Often times, those deficiencies are hidden more when converting that player to the Guard position.

So, it shouldn't be a shock to learn that the Cowboys plan to convert Edoga to the Guard position. And while many project Northwestern's Peter Skoronski and Tennessee's Darnell Wright as an NFL offensive tackles, they also have short arms. So, if the Cowboys do draft a player to fill the Left Guard position, don't be surprised if they draft a player that played OT in college. Certainly, players like college offensive guards Torrence and Avila, are options, but so are players who were short-armed tackles in college. The shorter the arms of a top-ranked college offensive tackle, the more likely he'll be coverted to Guard in the NFL. And the key number is 34".

TOP 2023 College Offensive Line Prospects
  • OT Peter Skoronki, Northwestern - 32-1/4" arm length
  • OT Paris Johnson, Ohio State - 36-1/8" arm length
  • OT Broderick Jones, Alabama - 34-3/4" arm length
  • OT Anton Jones, Oklahoma - 34-1/8" arm length
  • OG O'Cyrus Torrence, Florida - 33-7/8" arm length
  • OT Dawand Jones, Ohio State, 36-3/8" arm length
  • OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee - 33-3/4" arm length
  • OC John Michael Schmitz, Minnesota - 32-5/8" arm length
  • OT Cody Mauch, North Dakota State, 32-3/8" arm length
  • OT Matthew Bergeron, Syracuse, 33-3/4" arm length
  • OG Steve Avila, TCU - 33" arm length
One of the reasons that I believe La'el Collins struggled playing right tackle, and a good reason he was released by the Bengals this offseason, is that he was a short-armed tackle, with 33-1/4" arms. I think Collins could have been an All-Pro level player at the Guard position. But I also believe the Cowboys promised him he would get to play OT in order to sign him, and thus were committed. It would have been in his best interest to keep him playing Left Guard, and he would likely still be employed in the NFL.

Again, arm length is certainly not the only criteria for success playing Tackle in the NFL. Joe Thomas was just selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame for playing offensive tackle in Cleveland and his arms were shorter than 34" - but only by 1/4". But if a players arms are significantly shorter than 34", he's going to have a hard time blocking pass rushers who have long arms, and can thus create leverage when playing against short-armed offensive linemen. Great footwork, intelligence and blocking technique matter too. But just as pure speed is a critical factor in determining the NFL success of cornerbacks, so too is arm length a critical factor in determining success as an offensive tackle.

So, that is one reason why many college offensive tackles are better off playing guard in the NFL. Taking a look at the top 2023 offensive lineman prospects from the list above, don't be shocked if the Cowboys are not just looking at college guards to play for them. They'll also be looking at tackles they can convert to guard. In addition to Torrence and Avila the Cowboys might seriously consider Wright, Mauch and Bergeron. Skoronski is too skilled to make it the Cowboys at #26, but he's likely to find more success in the NFL if, like Zack Martin, he plays on the interior of the offensive line.
Where did you hear that they plan on switching Edoga to starting guard? I haven’t seen that.
 

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What I remember are guys like Chaz Green and the two Connors having poor ability to sit down and anchor against a bull rush. I recall them getting pushed back and the pocket collapsing in on the quarterback.

And for anyone curious, Google the words “Chuma Edoga” and anchor, and then see how you feel about any talk of him playing left guard.

For that reason, I’d prefer a guard at guard.
The real problem is that the boys are so hipped on movement and getting to the second level and all that that they forgot that the first thing an interior lineman must do is hold his ground; and then be able to get movement on the DT in front of them. The vast majority of plays that the guards will see are those two situations. Getting to the second level and pulling and such is third. But we have been obsessed with quickness on both the offensive and defensive lines; which is why we have difficulty in the physical part of the game in both.
 

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The real problem is that the boys are so hipped on movement and getting to the second level and all that that they forgot that the first thing an interior lineman must do is hold his ground; and then be able to get movement on the DT in front of them. The vast majority of plays that the guards will see are those two situations. Getting to the second level and pulling and such is third. But we have been obsessed with quickness on both the offensive and defensive lines; which is why we have difficulty in the physical part of the game in both.
Well said!

And it’s a big reason why we went from an offensive line that imposed its’ will to a finesse group.
 

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I think the only way we draft an olineman in the first round without dropping back is if the kid from Tennessee drops these guys mocking avila to us with the 26th pick have lost there minds there not gonna spend a first round pick on a guy who struggles with power and doesnt have long arms. Watch the 105 radio station interview with stephen if you can read between the lines I really think they are in love with the washington tight end from georgia that may very well be our pick and a dark horse is gibbs.
 

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Didn’t Mike McCarthy say they want to draft offensive tackles to play guard during a press conference? I at least remember it that way. So I’d assume anyone who we draft to play guard in the 1st round would have played tackle in college and most likely on the same side such as getting a left tackle to get a left guard.
 

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If the Cowboys don't go OL on day one or day two, this will be the reason why.
The Cowboys set their Oline squad (starters and backups) for 2023 when they signed Chuma Edoga earlier this offseason. They now have Chuma Edoga and Matt Farniok as backup Guards. Farniok can also play Center if needed, so he backs up both Center and Guard. Cowboys also have Waletzko and Ball to backup both Tackle positions. The starters will be from left to right: Tyron Smith - Tyler Smith - Tyler Biadasz - Zack Martin - Terence Steele. The Cowboys don't need to use any of their first 3 rounds picks on an Olineman due to their signing of Edoga. I feel if the Cowboys pick an Olineman, it will be either in the 4th Round or later.
 
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