Defensive Rankings PA vs Yards

[xwalker]

Rushing Yards or Rushing Yards per Attempt are not good stats for ranking defenses.

The benefit of rushing is how it impacts the pass defense; however, that is not easily quantified with stats.
- i.e. We don't have stats for 7 men in the box vs 8 men in the box, etc..

• Top 8 defenses in Passing Yards/Att Attempt Allowed:
  • 7 are in the top 8 for Points Allowed

• Top 8 defenses in Rushing Yards /Att Allowed that are NOT top 8 in Passing Yards/Att Allowed:
  • Zero in the top 8 for Points Allowed

• Cowboys
  • 3rd Points Allowed
  • 2nd Passing Yards/Att
  • 18th Rushing Yards/Att

• Eagles
  • 7th Points Allowed
  • 1st Passing Yards/Att
  • 24th Rushing Yards/Att

 

[cnuball21]

You also have to factor in the NFC being terrible this year.

We’ll find out how good our run D is in the playoffs. Last year it was a huge reason we lost - hope that isn’t repeated.

 

[Sydla]

You also have to factor in the NFC being terrible this year.

We’ll find out how good our run D is in the playoffs. Last year it was a huge reason we lost - hope that isn’t repeated.

Yep.

But people keep trying to find ways to spin our suspect run D as not that big of a deal.

 

[cnuball21]

Yep.

But people keep trying to find ways to spin our suspect run D as not that big of a deal.

I’d even say our defense as a whole. They’ve shown flashes of being great - but until I actually
see them show me in the playoffs against a quality opponent when it matters Ill hold judgement.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Rushing Yards or Rushing Yards per Attempt are not good stats for ranking defenses.

The benefit of rushing is how it impacts the pass defense; however, that is not easily quantified with stats.
- i.e. We don't have stats for 7 men in the box vs 8 men in the box, etc..

• Top 8 defenses in Passing Yards/Att Attempt Allowed:
  • 7 are in the top 8 for Points Allowed

• Top 8 defenses in Rushing Yards /Att Allowed that are NOT top 8 in Passing Yards/Att Allowed:
  • Zero in the top 8 for Points Allowed

• Cowboys
  • 3rd Points Allowed
  • 2nd Passing Yards/Att
  • 18th Rushing Yards/Att

• Eagles
  • 7th Points Allowed
  • 1st Passing Yards/Att
  • 24th Rushing Yards/Att

If I have to choose between being excellent against the run or excellent against the pass, give me pass every time. Games are won in the modern NFL by throwing the ball and if you can stop your opponent from doing that with efficiency, you will win a lot of games.

Do you want to know how many teams are top 10 against both the run and the pass? One. Washington. Even the Philly and SF units our fans love to whine about are not top 10 against both. It is completely unrealistic to expect a defense that is not a generational unit to be top 10, much less top 5 against both.

Great defense in the modern NFL is played by being a top unit against the pass and being average or better against the run. If you can do that, you will lock down a lot of teams like Dallas has done this season.

 

[baltcowboy]

The Cowboys defense is not the 49ers but it can win a Super Bowl. Our defense is better then the Rams and the Bengals were last season. It’s about our offense. If the offense is rolling we win easy.

 

[Cowboys1966]

Rushing Yards or Rushing Yards per Attempt are not good stats for ranking defenses.

The benefit of rushing is how it impacts the pass defense; however, that is not easily quantified with stats.
- i.e. We don't have stats for 7 men in the box vs 8 men in the box, etc..

• Top 8 defenses in Passing Yards/Att Attempt Allowed:
  • 7 are in the top 8 for Points Allowed

• Top 8 defenses in Rushing Yards /Att Allowed that are NOT top 8 in Passing Yards/Att Allowed:
  • Zero in the top 8 for Points Allowed

• Cowboys
  • 3rd Points Allowed
  • 2nd Passing Yards/Att
  • 18th Rushing Yards/Att

• Eagles
  • 7th Points Allowed
  • 1st Passing Yards/Att
  • 24th Rushing Yards/Att

You also might have a lot of rushing yards because you were ahead by 20 points in the third quarter… I’ve always laughed at people who say we are winning because we are rushing for a lot of yards and winning the time of possession battle… When the truth is… That you are rushing for a lot of yards and winning the time of possession because you were ahead so much…

 

[xwalker]

You also might have a lot of rushing yards because you were ahead by 20 points in the third quarter… I’ve always laughed at people who say we are winning because we are rushing for a lot of yards and winning the time of possession battle… When the truth is… That you are rushing for a lot of yards and winning the time of possession because you were ahead so much…

I've analyzed that in past seasons. Games ending with 1 score vs games with 2 score or greater difference, etc.. Surprisingly the difference in stats was relatively minimal. Winning teams run more but the yards/carry don't change that much.

 

[Jarntt]

Rushing Yards or Rushing Yards per Attempt are not good stats for ranking defenses.

The benefit of rushing is how it impacts the pass defense; however, that is not easily quantified with stats.
- i.e. We don't have stats for 7 men in the box vs 8 men in the box, etc..

• Top 8 defenses in Passing Yards/Att Attempt Allowed:
  • 7 are in the top 8 for Points Allowed

• Top 8 defenses in Rushing Yards /Att Allowed that are NOT top 8 in Passing Yards/Att Allowed:
  • Zero in the top 8 for Points Allowed

• Cowboys
  • 3rd Points Allowed
  • 2nd Passing Yards/Att
  • 18th Rushing Yards/Att

• Eagles
  • 7th Points Allowed
  • 1st Passing Yards/Att
  • 24th Rushing Yards/Att

We all know that when teams are losing they pass and that skews the pass/run stats, but I think that rushing yards per attempt is a good metric to use when evaluating a defense and I'm not sure it matters that the "Top 8 defenses in Rushing Yards /Att Allowed that are NOT top 8 in Passing Yards/Att Allowed". SF has giving up the least rushing yards per attempt in the league and also has given up the least amount of total yards per game. Who cares if that means their passing yards per attempt isn't in the top 8?

 

[xwalker]

We all know that when teams are losing they pass and that skews the pass/run stats, but I think that rushing yards per attempt is a good metric to use when evaluating a defense and I'm not sure it matters that the "Top 8 defenses in Rushing Yards /Att Allowed that are NOT top 8 in Passing Yards/Att Allowed". SF has giving up the least rushing yards per attempt in the league and also has given up the least amount of total yards per game. Who cares if that means their passing yards per attempt isn't in the top 8?

See my post above.

The point of "not top 8 in pass avg" was to remove teams that were likely in the top 8 due to passing regardless of rush avg.

 

[xwalker]

If I have to choose between being excellent against the run or excellent against the pass, give me pass every time. Games are won in the modern NFL by throwing the ball and if you can stop your opponent from doing that with efficiency, you will win a lot of games.

Do you want to know how many teams are top 10 against both the run and the pass? One. Washington. Even the Philly and SF units our fans love to whine about are not top 10 against both. It is completely unrealistic to expect a defense that is not a generational unit to be top 10, much less top 5 against both.

Great defense in the modern NFL is played by being a top unit against the pass and being average or better against the run. If you can do that, you will lock down a lot of teams like Dallas has done this season.

It is why a 1tech like DaRon Payne instead of a super lard arse 1tech.

 

[Jarntt]

See my post above.

The point of "not top 8 in pass avg" was to remove teams that were likely in the top 8 due to passing regardless of rush avg.

Whatever the reason you want to use, saying rushing yards per attempt isn't a good measure of a good defense is not something I agree with. Total rushing yards, sure, that can be misleading. Like when a team scores so many points that their opponents have to pass every play.

2000 Baltimore Ravens Defense was known as one of the best ever. They were first in the NFL in rushing yards per attempt allowed but 7th in passing yards per attempt. There is no one way to be a great defense.

 

[big dog cowboy]

• Cowboys
  • 3rd Points Allowed
  • 2nd Passing Yards/Att
  • 18th Rushing Yards/Att

• Eagles
  • 7th Points Allowed
  • 1st Passing Yards/Att
  • 24th Rushing Yards/Att

We're so going to kick their butts.

 

[Creeper]

The Cowboys season stats may not be as applicable to the next game because defensive stats were compiled for the most part with Lewis and Brown playing CB. On offense, they played 5 games with Rush starting. The Dak offense has been measurably better in most categories, but not turnovers.

 

[Jarntt]

We're so going to kick their butts.

 

[CWR]

Yep.

But people keep trying to find ways to spin our suspect run D as not that big of a deal.

I don't know I believe in them, but I do believe scheme and gap discipline were the biggest culprit. They appear to have fixed that to an extent. My biggest concern going forward is still qb runs. We will get a good look at that these next couple weeks. Phillys offense will be a good test. If we can't contain Hurts and Sanders on Christmas eve, we are likely in trouble.

 

[xwalker]

I don't know I believe in them, but I do believe scheme and gap discipline were the biggest culprit. They appear to have fixed that to an extent. My biggest concern going forward is still qb runs. We will get a good look at that these next couple weeks. Phillys offense will be a good test. If we can't contain Hurts and Sanders on Christmas eve, we are likely in trouble.

Hurts only had 27 yards on 9 rushes in the 1st game.

Having said that, the threat of him rushing forces them to play a controlled pass rush to avoid getting gashed by him running. They prefer to stunt excessively but that makes them vulnerable to runs.

 

[CWR]

Hurts only had 27 yards on 9 rushes in the 1st game.

Having said that, the threat of him rushing forces them to play a controlled pass rush to avoid getting gashed by him running. They prefer to stunt excessively but that makes them vulnerable to runs.

Yeah it compromises what we do best. Then the other concern is being down both Brown and Lewis. That pass rush is a CBs best friend.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Rushing Yards or Rushing Yards per Attempt are not good stats for ranking defenses.

The benefit of rushing is how it impacts the pass defense; however, that is not easily quantified with stats.
- i.e. We don't have stats for 7 men in the box vs 8 men in the box, etc..

• Top 8 defenses in Passing Yards/Att Attempt Allowed:
  • 7 are in the top 8 for Points Allowed

• Top 8 defenses in Rushing Yards /Att Allowed that are NOT top 8 in Passing Yards/Att Allowed:
  • Zero in the top 8 for Points Allowed

• Cowboys
  • 3rd Points Allowed
  • 2nd Passing Yards/Att
  • 18th Rushing Yards/Att

• Eagles
  • 7th Points Allowed
  • 1st Passing Yards/Att
  • 24th Rushing Yards/Att

Yards per drive.
Points per drive.