News: DMN: David Irving is a free agent this offseason, but here's why you don't have to worry

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[jobberone]

Let's see how the guy does over the rest of the year. Also, the coaches know the player better than just us watching the game although that's obviously important.

 

[SuspectCorner]

Emmitt had a remarkable career -he being both elusive and durable. The odds that Zeke faces are long - I wouldn't bet on him coming close to #22. Most backs are lucky to play for even six or seven years. Emmitt's record could stand for decades - maybe forever given how violent the game has gotten with bigger, faster, stronger athletes each year and the tendency of teams to do RB-by-committee to allay some of the wear-and-tear even on premiere backs in an effort to keep them viable for playoff runs.

 

[yimyammer]

Scales: "David Irving is signed only through 2016, so he will be a free agent this offseason. But he's only a 2nd year player so the Cowboys will still basically control his rights (as an exlcusive-rights free agent, which means that if the Cowboys offer a three-year veteran minimum salary, he cannot negotiate with other teams)."

Doesn't match this:

Per http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/dal/ :

David Irving
Defensive Lineman
5/2/2015: Signed a three-year, $1.585 million contract.

The deal included a $10,000 signing bonus. 2016: $525,000, 2017: $615,000, 2018: Restricted Free Agent

Wonder what's correct

 

[SportsGuru80]

Basically a rookie with 4 sacks already. I'll take it.

 

[gmoney112]

Doesn't match this:

Per http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/dal/ :

David Irving
Defensive Lineman
5/2/2015: Signed a three-year, $1.585 million contract.

The deal included a $10,000 signing bonus. 2016: $525,000, 2017: $615,000, 2018: Restricted Free Agent

Wonder what's correct

I think the 2017 is what he's going to be paid next year, the 3 year vet min salary. We have his exclusive rights this year.

If that's all it takes to retain him, I don't think it's a question of "if" he comes back, it's a question of how much of a raise is he going to get himself next year when we try and get him to sign a friendly multi year deal.

Hopefully, a nice raise

 

[LatinMind]

Special contributor Kristi Scales recently held a chat to talk all things Cowboys. Here are some highlights.
I believe David Irving is a FA after this season. Nearly all teams are looking for a pass rushing DE - do you see any difficulty in getting him resigned?

Scales: "David Irving is signed only through 2016, so he will be a free agent this offseason. But he's only a 2nd year player so the Cowboys will still basically control his rights (as an exlcusive-rights free agent, which means that if the Cowboys offer a three-year veteran minimum salary, he cannot negotiate with other teams)."

What was the reaction like on the Cowboys sideline when Zeke jumped in the kettle?

Scales: "Zeke's Salvation Army kettle leap was fantastic and his teammates certainly enjoyed it. The coaching staff, not so much. You can't cost your team 15 yards in that situation (luckily Kavon Frazier made an excellent tackle in coverage following Dan Bailey's long kickoff from the 20 yards line following the penalty, so there was no residual damage). As for me as sideline reporter, when Zeke leapt into the kettle, my first thought was "Where's the flag?" (several yellow flags were thrown a few seconds later). My second thought was "Cha-Ching". I knew it would be a gold mine for The Salvation Army because of the exposure/free advertising. Luckily it has been."

Who on the 2016 Cowboys would fit best with the 1990's Cowboys?

Scales: "There are two names that leap to mind: Sean Lee and Jason Witten. They are old school and would dominate in any era. But to be honest, there are many guys on the current roster that would fit in with the 90's dynasty I'll take any of the offensive linemen. Tyron Smith/Big E/Tuinei? Give Zack Martin another decade and maybe he'll have as many Pro Bowls as Larry Allen. Travis Frederick can be my center any time. Dave Campo last week told me the current linemen are more gifted athletically and can pull, etc., compared to the 90's "road graters". But I bet this current group, including Leary and Free, could road grate if that's what they were asked to do. As for the current version of the Triplets, they haven't done it long enough to truly compare to Troy/Emmitt/Michael...those are all Hall of Famers! Defensively, I would love to see a gifted/intelligent athlete like Byron Jones line up at free safety alongside Woodson (combining the two eras). Guys like Barry Church and Brandon Carr have the right mindset and consistency. Here's what is important: Jason Garrett had a front row seat to the 90's, he knows what those teammates were like, and he's trying to stock the current roster with "the right kind of guys." Top-to-bottom does the current roster compare in terms of talent and Pro Bowls and Hall of Famers? No, of course not. But the roster is made up of similar character guys with the right mindset."

If you had to pick one RB right out of college, do you take Zeke or Emmitt Smith?

Scales: "If you mean as a scout/talent evaluator, the more slam dunk candidate was Zeke Elliott. That's why he went #4 overall. There were questions about Emmitt's size/speed coming out of Florida. Remember, if the Bengals had not snatched James Francis out from under the Cowboys in the draft, fans would have been cheering for a rookie linebacker in 1991, not the kid from Florida who showed up in Dallas wearing the black outfit with yellow polka dots. But if you're asking overall, not coming out of college, I'll take the league's all-time leading rusher and Hall of Famer. Zeke is a terrific talent and he should garner MVP consideration for his fantastic season, but it's too soon to compare him to Emmitt. Emmitt's longevity and durability were remarkable. I just hope that year's from now we're saying the same things about Zeke."

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I dont think Dallas will offer up a vet minimum deal. I think they will lock him up for 5 yrs but it wont be some crazy deal. somewhere in the 3-6 mil range will not hurt this team and will be smart in the long run

 

[ConstantReboot]

I dont think Dallas will offer up a vet minimum deal. I think they will lock him up for 5 yrs but it wont be some crazy deal. somewhere in the 3-6 mil range will not hurt this team and will be smart in the long run

They gave Ty Crawford a 6 year 45 million dollar deal I believe with much less production. So maybe he might get more than just 3-4 million a year but probably close to around 6.

 

[Bullflop]

If David Irving continues to perform as well as he has lately, I'm reasonably certain that Jerry would see fit to reward him within good reason. The Cowboys have established a reputation for treating their players fairly when it comes to rewarding players who prove themselves productive. I'm hopeful that our FO will extend Irving the same fairness that they have with so many others in the past, free of a tendency to overpay as well.

I'm betting that they'll bargain in good faith with Irving and his agent to arrive at an amenable contract to both parties. Here's hoping Irving continues to earn his new contract in the long term as productively as he has lately. If so, the Cowboys and their newfound standout rushman would be set up extremely well for years to come. It's surely not difficult to imagine how valuable Irving might be in the playoffs that lie ahead.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think you give him the minimum deal now to retain his rights and wait a year or two to see if his production keeps up and then you offer him a long term deal.

 

[Bullflop]

I think you give him the minimum deal now to retain his rights and wait a year or two to see if his production keeps up and then you offer him a long term deal.

That would likely be the way to turn out as the most prudent way to ensure continued player dedication and effort to excel. Repeating any former tendency to overpay in the manner that they have done with too many others in the past wouldn't be smart business. I think that they, more than likely, are keenly aware of that by now or at least, they should be. Let's just hope Stephen is well prepared to keep Jerry in a conservative mood.

 

[vaturkey]

I think Irving is best late in games as a specialist pass rusher. He's got power and quickness for sure, but what makes him different is that wing span of his. I think he should be a third down pass rush specialist at this point based on the situation. Third and 3 or longer and I'd have him in all the time.

 

[LatinMind]

They gave Ty Crawford a 6 year 45 million dollar deal I believe with much less production. So maybe he might get more than just 3-4 million a year but probably close to around 6.

They did the same thing with Church in signing him early before he could negotiate with other teams. DE's make alot more then S'. So would be interesting how this went.

 

[Bullflop]

I think Irving is best late in games as a specialist pass rusher. He's got power and quickness for sure, but what makes him different is that wing span of his. I think he should be a third down pass rush specialist at this point based on the situation. Third and 3 or longer and I'd have him in all the time.

I'm wondering whether he's best late, when the OL in front of him has gotten tired or if he has the strength to dominate earlier in the game as he did during the 4th quarter vs. the Bucs. I wouldn't be too surprised if the team tries him out earlier in during games to see how he responds to that situation. If he has success, maybe they'd see fit to utilize him earlier during games in passing situations. I think his conditioning has improved.

 

[maxdallasfan]

I dont think Dallas will offer up a vet minimum deal. I think they will lock him up for 5 yrs but it wont be some crazy deal. somewhere in the 3-6 mil range will not hurt this team and will be smart in the long run

Agree. This is the perfect situation to get a bargain on a decent player.

 

[Biggems]

I think Irving is best late in games as a specialist pass rusher. He's got power and quickness for sure, but what makes him different is that wing span of his. I think he should be a third down pass rush specialist at this point based on the situation. Third and 3 or longer and I'd have him in all the time.

That is when The Condor swoopes down and devours his OT and QB carcasses......

 

[Texas_Pete]

That is when The Condor swoopes down and devours his OT and QB carcasses......

I like it!

 

[jazzcat22]

That is when The Condor swoopes down and devours his OT and QB carcasses......

Great name....
Irving at 6-7, 273, I think they said he has a 7 foot wingspan, and even now he said he still has a 40 inch vertical leap.....yeah, need to get this gut locked up for a while.

 

[DallasBlockersClub]

Special contributor Kristi Scales recently held a chat to talk all things Cowboys. Here are some highlights.
I believe David Irving is a FA after this season. Nearly all teams are looking for a pass rushing DE - do you see any difficulty in getting him resigned?

Scales: "David Irving is signed only through 2016, so he will be a free agent this offseason. But he's only a 2nd year player so the Cowboys will still basically control his rights (as an exlcusive-rights free agent, which means that if the Cowboys offer a three-year veteran minimum salary, he cannot negotiate with other teams)."

What was the reaction like on the Cowboys sideline when Zeke jumped in the kettle?

Scales: "Zeke's Salvation Army kettle leap was fantastic and his teammates certainly enjoyed it. The coaching staff, not so much. You can't cost your team 15 yards in that situation (luckily Kavon Frazier made an excellent tackle in coverage following Dan Bailey's long kickoff from the 20 yards line following the penalty, so there was no residual damage). As for me as sideline reporter, when Zeke leapt into the kettle, my first thought was "Where's the flag?" (several yellow flags were thrown a few seconds later). My second thought was "Cha-Ching". I knew it would be a gold mine for The Salvation Army because of the exposure/free advertising. Luckily it has been."

Who on the 2016 Cowboys would fit best with the 1990's Cowboys?

Scales: "There are two names that leap to mind: Sean Lee and Jason Witten. They are old school and would dominate in any era. But to be honest, there are many guys on the current roster that would fit in with the 90's dynasty I'll take any of the offensive linemen. Tyron Smith/Big E/Tuinei? Give Zack Martin another decade and maybe he'll have as many Pro Bowls as Larry Allen. Travis Frederick can be my center any time. Dave Campo last week told me the current linemen are more gifted athletically and can pull, etc., compared to the 90's "road graters". But I bet this current group, including Leary and Free, could road grate if that's what they were asked to do. As for the current version of the Triplets, they haven't done it long enough to truly compare to Troy/Emmitt/Michael...those are all Hall of Famers! Defensively, I would love to see a gifted/intelligent athlete like Byron Jones line up at free safety alongside Woodson (combining the two eras). Guys like Barry Church and Brandon Carr have the right mindset and consistency. Here's what is important: Jason Garrett had a front row seat to the 90's, he knows what those teammates were like, and he's trying to stock the current roster with "the right kind of guys." Top-to-bottom does the current roster compare in terms of talent and Pro Bowls and Hall of Famers? No, of course not. But the roster is made up of similar character guys with the right mindset."

If you had to pick one RB right out of college, do you take Zeke or Emmitt Smith?

Scales: "If you mean as a scout/talent evaluator, the more slam dunk candidate was Zeke Elliott. That's why he went #4 overall. There were questions about Emmitt's size/speed coming out of Florida. Remember, if the Bengals had not snatched James Francis out from under the Cowboys in the draft, fans would have been cheering for a rookie linebacker in 1991, not the kid from Florida who showed up in Dallas wearing the black outfit with yellow polka dots. But if you're asking overall, not coming out of college, I'll take the league's all-time leading rusher and Hall of Famer. Zeke is a terrific talent and he should garner MVP consideration for his fantastic season, but it's too soon to compare him to Emmitt. Emmitt's longevity and durability were remarkable. I just hope that year's from now we're saying the same things about Zeke."

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I loved Irving this past weekend, but does anyone else feel like a team like Cleveland could massively overpay for him purely on potential/size/athleticism? I don't want to sell the farm for a player with two great games in his career.

 

[lkelly]

"Road grate?"

I guess she does spell "Kristi" with an "i" at the end.