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Crown Royal

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....specifically, what kind of property I should buy (I have none at the moment - only 22), whether I should rent it out (I travel 85-90% of the time and don't really need a place to live), whether I should buy a below market property, fix it up and resale, or if I should buy something for myself and keep it for a year or so and then resale it.

You will tell me where in the country I should get a property (or properties, if you suggest multiple condos), as I don't have to stay in N. Texas.

You will also tell me any downfalls to buying a property.

I will thank you in advance! THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INPUT!

***EDIT*** You will keep in mind that 175,000 is my max budget, but I'd like to stay below 135K if possible.
 
You're only 22... you should be worrying about putting notches in your belt, not real estate.


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Rack said:
You're only 22... you should be worrying about putting notches in your belt, not real estate.


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She's at home in Dallas and I'm at work in New Orleans. I have to keep my mind on something.

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My advice...stretch yourself as far as you can financially when you purchase a place....you'll always figure out how to make ends meet.

And jump in sooner than later...ya see, most people look at the prices of houses and think "this is nutz"..and ya know what? It is.

But it's only gonna get nuttier, and less affordable, as time passes.

So get in NOW!

You owe me a nickel for this. :D
 
CR, are you looking for something high risk or low risk? Also, are you much of a handyman or would you do more harm than good to a house?
 
Juke99 said:
My advice...stretch yourself as far as you can financially when you purchase a place....you'll always figure out how to make ends meet.

And jump in sooner than later...ya see, most people look at the prices of houses and think "this is nutz"..and ya know what? It is.

But it's only gonna get nuttier, and less affordable, as time passes.

So get in NOW!

You owe me a nickel for this. :D

I've heard that advise before, and it seems sound, but it's so counterintuitive as well.

About a year ago I was in poor financial shape (I was still in school and had a poor job, etc.)

Now that I am back with a very solid base, I am eager to invest my money into hard equity. But I was raised to never stretch yourself thin, either - to live below your means, rather than at or above.

But all the advise I hear on real estate is to purchase something more than you think you could afford - that your earning ability increases with time and that although it is difficult at first, you will adapt and learn how to do it.

We'll see - I'd like to do something like that. But I am also considering short term earnings on it rather than just long term investment. Either as a rental property or a simple renovate for profit.
 
cowboysfan31 said:
CR, are you looking for something high risk or low risk? Also, are you much of a handyman or would you do more harm than good to a house?

Regarding Risk - I am still weighing that. I don't mind taking risks - but I do know that nobody ever made money taking a risk that, if it didn't go through, would leave them in ruin. In other words, a risk should be taken that you can afford to lose (see - gambling). It's kind of a risk/reward thing for me.

As far as fixing a house - I can do up to intermediate repairs, cosmetics, etc. I'd say more than the average homeowner, but not more. That beind said, my job gives me lots of access to contractors that I know and trust, not to mention family members who would give quite a discount.
 
If anyone has sold property, but had to take back a seller financed real estate note that you would be interested in getting "lump sum cash" for instead of waiting on monthly payments, ... let me know.

I think I can help.
 
Crown,

As a first time buyer you can easily get a favorable loan with only 5% down.

You may want to buy multiple properties as you can buy several (lets say 3)and state that they will all be your primary residence, getting a favorable intrest rate on all 3 and only putting 5% down on each. See, it takes 2-3 months for a property you own to show up on your credit report, so other lenders wont know. The lender will never know you are not living in these so called "primary residences" - unless you miss a payment, which you will NOT do because that will really screw up your ability for future investments.

Another good idea is to buy duplex or triplex, find one where you can have a place of your own and the rent from the other units pays your bills, now you can bank your entire pay for future investments (although if traveling a lot you may noy need this right now) but it is a great idea for when you are going to shell out cash for your own place.

As far as what type of investment property.......

there are cash flow properties and appreciation properties. i like appreciation properteis better.

if you buy a property in an area that is cheaper but has less chance for appreciation, you may make a few hundred a month, but you will have more likelihood of problem tennants and some of your monthly "profit" goes back into fixing problems with the property, so you can get nickeled and dimed to death.

I like to buy where the market is hot, usually center city properties and up and coming neighborhoods, you pay more or have a higher monthly mortgage but your rent is higher and you may sell in 1-2 years for a sig profit. Now you can do some more risky financing like intrest only loans or negative arms so you can buy a house for 2-300,000 and have a payment as low as 1000 to 1200 and still get a profit on monthly rent, hold the property for 2-3 years and sell for very good profit, but this only works if you buy where you know the property is going to have big appreciation, like a center city property or a neighborhood that is undergoing a rapid renovation.

As far as fixer-upper's, well it can take a long time to get the work done unless you really know what you are doing, know contractors who will give you good deals and who you can trust. And as far as buying shells (houses that are not livable in their current condition) you can get great deals, but a lender will not give you a loan for that house becasue it is too high risk for them, you have to have cash on hand or some one to back you and you will have to purchase the house, so probably not a good place to start, easy to get in over your head with something like that.

My first to were both estate properties, they needed some cosmetic work, but all the systems were functional and ready to move in, just needed some cleaning up (painting and patching, peeling wallpaper, refinishing hardwood floors or recarpeting) easy and fairly cheap to take care of that and got them both at laest 10,000 under going market rate which was good because i had immediate equity and was able to take out lines of credit for more investing.

In 2 weeks im going in with a partner on a huge 6 br house near a major college campus, house is pretty cheap, neighborhood is a little seedy, but got a lender to let me in with 5% down so hardly had to put up anything for it.

Thinking about renting it out room by room, could be a huge monthly cashflow, may be a management nightmare (will have 5-6 separate tennants in one building), but im willing to take the risk becasue its costing me almost nothing up front.

Oh yeah, for your financing talk with someone who is a mortgage specialist, someone who will call around to different lenders and find you the best deal for you. DONT let a realtor tell you, "just use my finance guy" talk to some people your area who are already successful investors and find out who they use to set up their financing, when you have a contact or buddy who will help push financing through for you, it will be so much easier to get multiple properties and to ***** little things here and there. Also that is where you will find out about creative financing and many different types of loans.

But my recommendation for your first rental property is to have a realtor who specializes in investment propeties show you ones in the city you are in where the hottest market is and try to find a deal there, something a little under going market rate that does not need major work. just make sure you can rent in for more than your monthly payment will be.
 
Real estate's always solid, but I'd suggest dumping all your debt first . I mean everything from credit cards to auto loans to student loans. If you bust your butt that can be done for most people in as little as two years.

Next, take a year and save what those payments would have been. Take that cash and put half of it down on the worst house you can find in a nice neighborhood (best real estate advice ever, never buy on the "high" end of a neighborhood). Use the other half for renovations. Spend two years there making double mortgage payments while still saving your other "payments".


Five years later you'll be sitting on a property with an incredible amount of equity, cash in hand, no debt and still only 27/28.
 
Crown Royal said:
....specifically, what kind of property I should buy (I have none at the moment - only 22), whether I should rent it out (I travel 85-90% of the time and don't really need a place to live), whether I should buy a below market property, fix it up and resale, or if I should buy something for myself and keep it for a year or so and then resale it.

You will tell me where in the country I should get a property (or properties, if you suggest multiple condos), as I don't have to stay in N. Texas.

You will also tell me any downfalls to buying a property.

I will thank you in advance! THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INPUT!

***EDIT*** You will keep in mind that 175,000 is my max budget, but I'd like to stay below 135K if possible.
CR, do I remember right or not, were you joining the miliatry? If so, you cna qualify for a VA loan which has very favorable terms.

If not consider this. Buy a 4-plex. Live in one unit and rent the other 3 out.

A smart idea in Real Estate is to use equity in one property to acquire more. In other words rental property. Highest rents can be found around college campuses. People will pay top rent not to have to walk very far to class. Sellers will know this too, so prices will be higher as well.

Before deciding to buy rental property it is a good idea to research trends in the area. Is there a lot of new home construction? Is a major corporation opening or expanding in that town?

Rental property is very much a catch 22. If you keep it rented to good people you will make money via equity. Good residents will save you a fortune, bad residents will cost you one. Military are good residents to have but they often need opt out clauses due to transfers. Graduate students are very good residents.

Hope some of that helps.
 
Definitely buy as opposed to rent.

Housing is one place you can make your money back unlike with a vehicle.

Buy what you can afford but near the max you can afford.
Make sure you have enough saved to cover 3 months rent.

I would not rent it unless to a friend or family member, maybe a single woman with no kids. NEVER to a single guy.

As Hoov mentions once you have decent equity int he place ins ay 5 years you could use that equity to purchase a bigger, nicer residence and then use the lower rent place as a rent house or just sell it for the equity and pocket the profit.

I made 25k off the last house I sold and I had it 7 years. Right now 5 years into this house it has only went up 12k though so it is not a guarantee of a huge return.
 
Crown,

check this out. a freind of mine bought 3 properties lasat summer in less than 45 days, all were 100% financing. 0 dollars out of his pocket. all were rented with tennants in them bringing a cash flow. and he even got the sellers to give a few thousand dollars back as a seller assist after closing costs were also paid by the seller.

So he bought 3 properties and ended up with 3500 dollars more in his pocket and got 3 properties all with tennants already in them. and paid 0 dollars of his own.

then bought a duplex for himself to live in, and rented the upstairs to cover 75% of the total payment.

then opened up a business line of credit for 100,000 (cost him 6,000 up front to do this) and within a few months bought a fix and flip, another rental and is now buying in with me.

now he did inherit a bad tennant in all this, but she left when he wanted to raise the rent and he got that one straightened out.

Not that i recommend this for you unless you want your head spinning for 6-12 months and a lot of extra stress....but i am saying you can really get the ball rolling if you do it right, no need to buy 1 property and wait several years for the next.

i started with 5,000 and am buying a property every 4-6 months and my income from my regular job is modest. as long as someone will lend you the money, you can buy several properties at once and use different lenders for each one (that is why you need a mortagage broker) as long as you are buying in a DESIRABLE neighborhood, you will be able to rent the property.

i have a property that i am financing and renting for a small profit in a high end neighborhood that i could never afford to live in myself. its crazy, i cant afford the monthly payment, but i dont have to because its in such a great neighborhood that i listed it for rent before the first paymnent was due and had several responses all willing to pay my asking price. some people are not comfortable with this, but the properties in this neighborhood are apptreaciating by about 30-50,000 a year.

Just make sure you know that there is a reason others will want to live in that neighborhood (maybe its near a college campus like Hos said) but as long as your property is in a DESIRABLE neighborhood, you cant go wrong. simple law of supply and demand. if people are beating down the door to live in a particular section of the city or burbs or whatever, your home's value will skyrocket. and the more of them you have, the better
 

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