Jones-The Lure of the Deal

The link worked for me. Good story.

Have you ever seen how a male dog acts when he gets around a female that is in heat? His ears go back and he gets this crazy, hell-bent look in his eye.

That's Jerry when he's close to a deal.
 
Link worked for me. Good article. I like how he mentioned Ferguson, Henry, and Rivera but then only commented on how the Rivera deal didn't work out quite as well for the Cowboys.
 
Chief;2346341 said:
Have you ever seen how a male dog acts when he gets around a female that is in heat? His ears go back and he gets this crazy, hell-bent look in his eye.
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Just any male in general.
 
Chief;2346341 said:
The link worked for me. Good story.

Have you ever seen how a male dog acts when he gets around a female that is in heat? His ears go back and he gets this crazy, hell-bent look in his eye.

That's Jerry when he's close to a deal.
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Jerry, too, leaves his mark on things.
 
Chief;2346341 said:
The link worked for me. Good story.

Have you ever seen how a male dog acts when he gets around a female that is in heat? His ears go back and he gets this crazy, hell-bent look in his eye.

That's Jerry when he's close to a deal.
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HMMMM....that sounds familiar. :D

But seriously, JJ was a wildcatter in the oil business. He knows you are going to win some and lose some. But you try to make the winners overshadow the losers. You can't say he doesn't have guts; and he puts his money where his mouth is.
 
I don't like the Yankees approach to player acquisition.

At times I don't like Jerry's approach either. I don't like buying championships.

I am fairly ambivalent about the Roy Williams acquisition for 4 reasons.
  1. Jerry paid dearly for him in draft picks and there is little if any precedent that those kind of deals pay off in the NFL.
  2. Certainly Williams is a likely upgrade at #2 WR but when I think of top flight WR's in this league he isn't among them. I think he ought to be if we're giving up that many picks.
  3. $45million? Really? Is he truly worth that as well? I'm skeptical.
  4. Why do I think Alvin Harper when I look at Roy? I thought Harper was , and proved to be, vastly overrated as a player (and frankly a person too). I know Roy is 100X what Harper ever was. Its just that when I think of franchise WR's, which IMO is what we paid in picks & $ for the guy, Williams reminds me of Harper's masquerade as a #1 WR. I really don't mean that as harshly as it sounds - it just rings a familiar note that was very sour and I want no hint of that again.
I am absolutely hoping for the best. I just don't like the aura of this deal.
 
CoCo;2346622 said:
I don't like the Yankees approach to player acquisition.

At times I don't like Jerry's approach either. I don't like buying championships.

I am fairly ambivalent about the Roy Williams acquisition for 4 reasons.
  1. Jerry paid dearly for him in draft picks and there is little if any precedent that those kind of deals pay off in the NFL.
  2. Certainly Williams is a likely upgrade at #2 WR but when I think of top flight WR's in this league he isn't among them. I think he ought to be if we're giving up that many picks.
  3. $45million? Really? Is he truly worth that as well? I'm skeptical.
  4. Why do I think Alvin Harper when I look at Roy? I thought Harper was , and proved to be, vastly overrated as a player (and frankly a person too). I know Roy is 100X what Harper ever was. Its just that when I think of franchise WR's, which IMO is what we paid in picks & $ for the guy, Williams reminds me of Harper's masquerade as a #1 WR. I really don't mean that as harshly as it sounds - it just rings a familiar note that was very sour and I want no hint of that again.
I am absolutely hoping for the best. I just don't like the aura of this deal.
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So, you don't like any of Dallas' 5 Superbowl wins?

Dallas bought every one of those championships. They built most of the team around the draft and then plugged in players through trades or free agency to fill out the remaining holes.

That is what Jerry has done now. The vast majority of players on the team were acquired by Dallas through the draft. He is now filling in some remaining holes. If that is buying a championship then so is what the Cowboys' teams of the 70s and 90s did.
 
CoCo;2346622 said:
I don't like the Yankees approach to player acquisition.

At times I don't like Jerry's approach either. I don't like buying championships.

I am fairly ambivalent about the Roy Williams acquisition for 4 reasons.
  1. Jerry paid dearly for him in draft picks and there is little if any precedent that those kind of deals pay off in the NFL.
  2. Certainly Williams is a likely upgrade at #2 WR but when I think of top flight WR's in this league he isn't among them. I think he ought to be if we're giving up that many picks.
  3. $45million? Really? Is he truly worth that as well? I'm skeptical.
  4. Why do I think Alvin Harper when I look at Roy? I thought Harper was , and proved to be, vastly overrated as a player (and frankly a person too). I know Roy is 100X what Harper ever was. Its just that when I think of franchise WR's, which IMO is what we paid in picks & $ for the guy, Williams reminds me of Harper's masquerade as a #1 WR. I really don't mean that as harshly as it sounds - it just rings a familiar note that was very sour and I want no hint of that again.
I am absolutely hoping for the best. I just don't like the aura of this deal.
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The Yankees didn't buy ANY Championships : their core was homegrown from Mariano, to Jeter to Posada, to Mensoza, Pettitte, and they made smart, highway robbery deals , O'Neill for Bobby Kelly, Tino, Stanton and Nelson in a highway deal for all time from Seattle, David Cone for Marty Janzen (who is right) I could go on.

Where and when the Yankees got in trouble is when they bought trophy players AFTER their 4 WS, i.e. Giambi, A-Rod etc kinda like Jerry when he paid thru the nose for Deion and then was lured into Galloway(widely considered fastest man in the NFL at the time)

Lets hope RW isn't a "Trophy"
 
By Andrew Brandt

Jones: The Lure Of The Deal
[FONT=&quot] [FONT=&quot]The league is still buzzing over the Roy Williams trade to Dallas followed by his stunning contract extension of five years, 45M with [FONT=&quot]20M guaranteed[/FONT]! The trade proves once again that Jerry Jones is a horse trader supreme. Whether he makes good deals – either in trades or in contracts – is certainly debatable, but his willingness to pull the trigger is not. That is a rare trait in the NFL today.[/FONT]

 [FONT=&quot]There were dozens of conversations about trades over the past couple of weeks. The Chiefs hemmed and hawed over offers from the Packers, Eagles and Giants for Tony Gonzalez and demanded a second-round pick which no one would offer. As happens all the time, the decision-makers for the teams did not pull the trigger. In some of those cases, there will be regret. However, there is a mantra in the NFL and in all business that I have found to be very true: [FONT=&quot]some of the best deals you make are the ones you don’t.[/FONT] Experience tells us that is true more often than not.[/FONT]

 [FONT=&quot]Jones is a dealmaker, period. He shoots first and asks questions later. That style has made him what he is in business and has been his trademark with the Cowboys. Whether it is giving up two number one draft picks – and unheard-of compensation amount – for Joey Galloway; whether he is drastically overpaying not one but two baseball-playing quarterbacks – Chad Hutchinson and Drew Henson — to return to football; or whether he is bringing players with duffel bags full of baggage into his locker room – Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, Tank Johnson and the ultimate miscreant Adam the Pacman Jones; Jerry Jones has decided in all cases to “do the deal” rather than sit it out or let someone else do it.[/FONT]

 [FONT=&quot]I witnessed Jones’ impulsive chase of the deal while with the Packers in early 2005. It was the first week of free agency when all of the “stupid money”, as NFL people call it, is spent. That year, Jones and Bill Parcells had three targets: Jason Ferguson from the NY Jets, Anthony Henry from the Browns and our player, Marco Rivera. They, of course, got them all.[/FONT]

 [FONT=&quot]Marco was a neighbor, a friend and a favorite of everyone at Lambeau Field. He was someone we wanted to keep with the Packers, although at a price we were comfortable with. As we negotiated prior to free agency with his agent, Jimmy Sexton, we felt our limits, with approximately 3M in bonus, were going to be reflective of the marketplace for Marco who, albeit a Pro Bowler, was about to turn 33. That was before we knew who the suitors were going to be.[/FONT]

 [FONT=&quot]Marco was booked on a flight to Dallas in the first days of free agency. He was then scheduled to go to Detroit and then return to Green Bay to make his decision. That was the plan at least. He never left Dallas.[/FONT]

 [FONT=&quot]With Marco sitting in the Cowboys’ offices, we advised Sexton where we were financially and felt comfortable that he may return to the Packers as the money was close and Marco wanted to stay in Green Bay. However, that was before the Cowboys decided they were not going to let Marco leave without a signed contract. That attitude then raised the testosterone level of Matt Millen in Detroit and within minutes, a fast and furious bidding war ensued for the services of Marco Rivera.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]When Sexton called me back an hour later, Marco’s bonus was approaching [FONT=&quot]9M[/FONT]! The impulsive and emotional nature of two of the league’s biggest spenders, Matt Millen and Jerry Jones, had turned Marco Rivera into a wealthy man with a contract beyond his, his agent’s and certainly our wildest expectations.[/FONT]

 [FONT=&quot]The decision was easy for us at the Packers. Had we needed to stretch to a 4M bonus or the like, then difficult and thorny conversations about our limit and Marco’s value would have happened. However, it never got there. When Sexton informed me that the bidding over an hour had raised the bonus to over 9M, we wished Marco well. That was not a hard decision at that point.[/FONT]

 [FONT=&quot]Marco decided to sign with Dallas (he probably could have received more in Detroit) and in an unfortunate incident, hurt his back on the treadmill soon after signing the contract. Marco then offered to pay Jones back the bonus he had received as he felt so bad about getting hurt (that was typical Marco, as honorable a player as there is). Jones declined the offer and Marco started 14 of 16 games that season. He played sparingly in 2006 before being released prior to 2007. He will retire a Packer even though he left to take the money – [FONT=&quot]he had to[/FONT] – in Dallas.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Marco Rivera was yet another deal that Jerry Jones did because of the chase of the deal that he was not going to lose. He got the player he wanted and was not going to be remorseful about overpaying. It was probably, in hindsight, one of the many deals that would have been better if not made, but that is not in Jones’ DNA. The deals may be good, bad or in between but they get done. He is a deal maker and deal doer.
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Chief;2346341 said:
The link worked for me. Good story.

Have you ever seen how a male dog acts when he gets around a female that is in heat? His ears go back and he gets this crazy, hell-bent look in his eye.

That's Jerry when he's close to a deal.
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:eek: Great, now I have a mental picture of this just before I head to dinner.
 
joseephuss;2346637 said:
So, you don't like any of Dallas' 5 Superbowl wins?

Dallas bought every one of those championships. They built most of the team around the draft and then plugged in players through trades or free agency to fill out the remaining holes.

That is what Jerry has done now. The vast majority of players on the team were acquired by Dallas through the draft. He is now filling in some remaining holes. If that is buying a championship then so is what the Cowboys' teams of the 70s and 90s did.
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Uhhh, well that is certainly not true of the 70's since it was before free agency.

To me this week's acquisition is similar to Deion from the 90's and that had my emotions mixed as well.

Other's from the 90's to me were a bit different. Haley, Cassilas, Everett, etc had more of a castoff flavor (by comparison)to them IMO and none were accompanied by backing up the Brinks truck.

Add Roy to TO and Bigg. It just feels a little different and less satisfying to me is all.
 
Youngan;2346655 said:
The Yankees didn't buy ANY Championships : their core was homegrown from Mariano, to Jeter to Posada, to Mensoza, Pettitte, and they made smart, highway robbery deals , O'Neill for Bobby Kelly, Tino, Stanton and Nelson in a highway deal for all time from Seattle, David Cone for Marty Janzen (who is right) I could go on.

Where and when the Yankees got in trouble is when they bought trophy players AFTER their 4 WS, i.e. Giambi, A-Rod etc kinda like Jerry when he paid thru the nose for Deion and then was lured into Galloway(widely considered fastest man in the NFL at the time)

Lets hope RW isn't a "Trophy"
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Lets see, Cone, Boggs, Clemens, Fielder, Key, Raines, Strawberry, Wetteland, O'Neill, Martinez, Knoblach, Brosius, Girardi, STanton, etc all say hello.

Pettitte, Jeter, Posada, Rivera and Mendoza were the only players of note that were homegrown from those teams. The Yankees bought all their WS.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;2347048 said:
Lets see, Cone, Boggs, Clemens, Fielder, Key, Raines, Strawberry, Wetteland, O'Neill, Martinez, Knoblach, Brosius, Girardi, STanton, etc all say hello.

Pettitte, Jeter, Posada, Rivera and Mendoza were the only players of note that were homegrown from those teams. The Yankees bought all their WS.
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They TRADED for those players i.e. Milton for Knobluach - Janzen for Cone - O'Neill for Kelly - Matinez trade with Seattle - Brosius replaced Charlie Hayes on one of the best trades Michael made, Dave Justice mid season trade with Cleveland Stanton, trade , Girardi was a nobody playing with Colorado, Zimmer reached out to him. Boggs was discarded out of Boston .Clemens is your only BUY.

Owned


Giambi was a BUY - Pavano BUY - Javier Vazquez BUY - etc all of which failed to produce a ring.
 
CoCo;2346622 said:
I don't like the Yankees approach to player acquisition.

At times I don't like Jerry's approach either. I don't like buying championships.

I am fairly ambivalent about the Roy Williams acquisition for 4 reasons.
  1. Jerry paid dearly for him in draft picks and there is little if any precedent that those kind of deals pay off in the NFL.
  2. Certainly Williams is a likely upgrade at #2 WR but when I think of top flight WR's in this league he isn't among them. I think he ought to be if we're giving up that many picks.
  3. $45million? Really? Is he truly worth that as well? I'm skeptical.
  4. Why do I think Alvin Harper when I look at Roy? I thought Harper was , and proved to be, vastly overrated as a player (and frankly a person too). I know Roy is 100X what Harper ever was. Its just that when I think of franchise WR's, which IMO is what we paid in picks & $ for the guy, Williams reminds me of Harper's masquerade as a #1 WR. I really don't mean that as harshly as it sounds - it just rings a familiar note that was very sour and I want no hint of that again.
I am absolutely hoping for the best. I just don't like the aura of this deal.
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Please research the facts before you post that. Thats a perception not a reality. The YANKEES have NEVER purchased a championship.

Its quite the contrary actually.

Since we acquired Giambi, Mussina, AROD, Pavano, Randy Johnson and the others... ALL we have done is lose in the playoff rounds and lose 2 World Series.

The 4 WS wins in 5 years were with players from the farm system, players in their twilight and a few Free Agent picks here and there. None of the above mentioned won us any champioships.

No you can say you learn'd ya sumtin. :D
 
CoCo;2346883 said:
Uhhh, well that is certainly not true of the 70's since it was before free agency.

To me this week's acquisition is similar to Deion from the 90's and that had my emotions mixed as well.

Other's from the 90's to me were a bit different. Haley, Cassilas, Everett, etc had more of a castoff flavor (by comparison)to them IMO and none were accompanied by backing up the Brinks truck.

Add Roy to TO and Bigg. It just feels a little different and less satisfying to me is all.
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Yes, the 1970s was before free agency, but it did not prevent Dallas from making trades to acquire big name players. Those Dallas teams made trades just like this Dallas team did when they got Roy Williams or the 90s team did to acquire Charles Haley.

In the early 70s Dallas got Mike Ditka, Lance Alworth, Herb Adderly and Forest Gregg. None of those guys spent a significant length of time in Dallas. They were brought in to win a championship.

Dallas made a huge trade giving up three 2nd round draft picks to acquire Tony Dorsett in the draft. They convinced Jackie Smith to come out of retirement and try and win a SB. Imagine what Schramm and Landry would have done if there was a true free agency back then.
 
Youngan;2347208 said:
They TRADED for those players i.e. Milton for Knobluach - Janzen for Cone - O'Neill for Kelly - Matinez trade with Seattle - Brosius replaced Charlie Hayes on one of the best trades Michael made, Dave Justice mid season trade with Cleveland Stanton, trade , Girardi was a nobody playing with Colorado, Zimmer reached out to him. Boggs was discarded out of Boston .Clemens is your only BUY.

Owned


Giambi was a BUY - Pavano BUY - Javier Vazquez BUY - etc all of which failed to produce a ring.
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How is that owned. They were able to trade for those players because other teams had to give them up because they were about to go to FA. How about you look at the deals that they received after ending up in NY.

At the end of the day they weren't the product of the Yankees farm system. You can pat yourself on the back because NY abused their payroll with trades to small market teams.

the only difference now is that the Yawkeys passed away and Boston's new regime is willing to pay half the Yankees payroll and Billy Beane showed how to run a small franchise and not get abused by teams like the Yankees.

Those trades were only 'great' because small market teams couldn't afford them.

And there are still a ton of FA like Strawberry, Boggs, Wetteland etfc that you just ignore from the list. You guys suck now anyway so thats all I need to know.

$220 mil gets you 3rd woohoo. Go Hank go.
 
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