Kayvon Thibodeaux?

Hawkeye0202 said:
Let give you another name.........this kid has Quinn written all over him. Remember many fans/media every year calling for us to draft a safety?
I honestly think kid is the trade-up if he falls within range

Who was the big safety Quinn had at Seattle? Can't think of his name....

This is from MMQB.......

Getting back to the draft, Kyle Hamilton is as interesting as any player in the class to me. And that’s because he’s so unique. He’s 6' 4" and 220 pounds. He has two years of track record as an All-American level college player. But his disappointing 40 time (4.59) raised concerns on where, as a bigger safety, he’ll fit in the NFL. Is he a free safety? Is he a strong safety? Can he play just one spot or does he have to be all over? Those questions led to this sort of variety of takes on him from over the weekend …

• NFC assistant coach: “I was watching Sam Howell, and saw him in both his games against Notre Dame; and then I saw Ridder, and he played him twice. And they’re picking on the guy. Maybe he had bad games, I don’t know. … The thing is, he’s super smart, he’s a great kid. The intangibles are there. He’s awesome. But I don’t know where he fits. … I think he’s more of a strong safety.”

• NFC exec: “It’ll come down to how he’s used, that’ll determine the value. Because of his size and length, people want to play him in the box, but that takes away with what he’s good at. … He should be playing high, and then you can bring him down low. … And people will want to match him with tight ends, and I don’t know that he’s that guy.”

• AFC GM: “I think everyone’s overthinking it. Great kid, great size, can do it all. The way I’d think about it, you just have to make sure your coordinator has a plan. To just have him playing the post, manning center field, he’d be a wasted pick. Think of how the Chargers use Derwin James—all over the place, that’s what you have to do.”

• Another AFC GM: “It’d be good to be creative with him. You can use him at all three levels of the defense, and that’s a positive. His hips, his movement skill, they’re excellent. The play speed is good, I didn’t see issues with his play speed. … He’s just a really good player, he’s not as physical, he doesn’t have the pop Derwin James does. But he’s a consistent tackler, in space, to the perimeter, I think he can cover tight ends and he turns the ball over.”

In the end, it’ll be fascinating to see where he comes off the board. Once considered a top-five pick, I think he’ll probably go somewhere between 11 and 20. And the team that takes him? I think it’ll say something about them. As we mentioned before, Minnesota would be an interesting landing spot for him. If you’re hoping he’s James (and Hamilton doesn’t have the testing numbers James did, to be clear), then there’s some synergy there—since James now plays for a Vic Fangio disciple (Brandon Staley) and Hamilton would in Minnesota (Ed Donatell). Pittsburgh, on the other end of that range, would be cool, too.
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That would be something!
 
fivetwos said:
Just wondering exactly who in our front office is either capable of, or interested in doing this type of wheeling and dealing.

They aren't willing to gamble on veteran players they don't have a history with.....this one could potentially take away that play it safe and rule the NFC East and stay relevant approach.
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Yeah. This would be a proactive move. A chess move for chess players. The Cowboys FO is more reactive. Checkers players.
 
xwalker said:
Thibodeaux would have to drop to about #18 in order for a 3rd round pick to be sufficient to trade up from #24.
- I don't see the Cowboys trading more than a 3rd to move up.

Thibodeaux is a player that based purely on talent and game footage, could be #1 overall.
- If Thibodeaux drops to #18, then teams have found something in his character or background that caused that to happen.
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Broaddus claims it's going to be cheaper to move up than usual since everyone wants to move down.
 
Hawkeye0202 said:
Let give you another name.........this kid has Quinn written all over him. Remember many fans/media every year calling for us to draft a safety?
I honestly think kid is the trade-up if he falls within range

Who was the big safety Quinn had at Seattle? Can't think of his name....

This is from MMQB.......

Getting back to the draft, Kyle Hamilton is as interesting as any player in the class to me. And that’s because he’s so unique. He’s 6' 4" and 220 pounds. He has two years of track record as an All-American level college player. But his disappointing 40 time (4.59) raised concerns on where, as a bigger safety, he’ll fit in the NFL. Is he a free safety? Is he a strong safety? Can he play just one spot or does he have to be all over? Those questions led to this sort of variety of takes on him from over the weekend …

• NFC assistant coach: “I was watching Sam Howell, and saw him in both his games against Notre Dame; and then I saw Ridder, and he played him twice. And they’re picking on the guy. Maybe he had bad games, I don’t know. … The thing is, he’s super smart, he’s a great kid. The intangibles are there. He’s awesome. But I don’t know where he fits. … I think he’s more of a strong safety.”

• NFC exec: “It’ll come down to how he’s used, that’ll determine the value. Because of his size and length, people want to play him in the box, but that takes away with what he’s good at. … He should be playing high, and then you can bring him down low. … And people will want to match him with tight ends, and I don’t know that he’s that guy.”

• AFC GM: “I think everyone’s overthinking it. Great kid, great size, can do it all. The way I’d think about it, you just have to make sure your coordinator has a plan. To just have him playing the post, manning center field, he’d be a wasted pick. Think of how the Chargers use Derwin James—all over the place, that’s what you have to do.”

• Another AFC GM: “It’d be good to be creative with him. You can use him at all three levels of the defense, and that’s a positive. His hips, his movement skill, they’re excellent. The play speed is good, I didn’t see issues with his play speed. … He’s just a really good player, he’s not as physical, he doesn’t have the pop Derwin James does. But he’s a consistent tackler, in space, to the perimeter, I think he can cover tight ends and he turns the ball over.”

In the end, it’ll be fascinating to see where he comes off the board. Once considered a top-five pick, I think he’ll probably go somewhere between 11 and 20. And the team that takes him? I think it’ll say something about them. As we mentioned before, Minnesota would be an interesting landing spot for him. If you’re hoping he’s James (and Hamilton doesn’t have the testing numbers James did, to be clear), then there’s some synergy there—since James now plays for a Vic Fangio disciple (Brandon Staley) and Hamilton would in Minnesota (Ed Donatell). Pittsburgh, on the other end of that range, would be cool, too.
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don’t we already have this guy in Jayron Kearse?
 
speedkilz88 said:
Broaddus claims it's going to be cheaper to move up than usual since everyone wants to move down.
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That would make sense. Ive heard a couple other places that the cost to move up with be cheaper this year than most.

Also means if you want to trade down from 24, you probably aren't getting good value
 
darthseinfeld said:
That would make sense. Ive heard a couple other places that the cost to move up with be cheaper this year than most.

Also means if you want to trade down from 24, you probably aren't getting good value
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not if Thibodeax is sitting there and there are no red flags

price goes up for a top player
 
He's an extremely talented dude who looks a lot like Khalil Mack to me. Julius Peppers, Jadeveon Clowney, those are both fair comps too. You are getting a long, fast and extremely powerful DE somewhere along those lines.

In a draft class this weak at the top, there is no reason he shouldn't go top 3. I don't think we can afford a trade up for him, but someone is going to get a really good player.
 
beware_d-ware said:
He's an extremely talented dude who looks a lot like Khalil Mack to me. Julius Peppers, Jadeveon Clowney, those are both fair comps too. You are getting a long, fast and extremely powerful DE somewhere along those lines.

In a draft class this weak at the top, there is no reason he shouldn't go top 3. I don't think we can afford a trade up for him, but someone is going to get a really good player.
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Right now, the rumors are Jermaine Johnson will go at 4 ahead of him. I am sure this is 100% false but it's out there
 
If I'm GM I wait to see what big name falls to 14. If any. If a few WRs or QBs are taken ahead of that, one might. Then you can trade up without selling the farm.
 
Remember last year the 49ers went from 12 to pick 3? You know what it took to move up? Their 12th of course. A 1st and 3rd in 2022, and a 1st in 2023 just to move up 9 spots. What do you think it would take to move up to 4 from 24?
 
speedkilz88 said:
Broaddus claims it's going to be cheaper to move up than usual since everyone wants to move down.
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Unless you are S Jones, then they fleece you and the dummies fist bump after they got bent over.

That said these guys need to get some balls and get a difference maker since they want a cheap contract for 5 years and got zero impact in outside free agency which they basically skipped this year (every year) for the most part.
 
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