Lance Armstrong
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If everyone cheats and you just do it better, does that make you bad?
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I don't think cheating in cycling was all that bad.
I think his willful lying about it for years was bad.
I think he has done tremendous good for Cancer research and that he was a phenomenal talent.
But he was the best and most intense cheater. He made it a goal to be the best cheater. And he won with that. That's a little more than the average guy taking a few PEDs. This was a scripted drug-induced ride to the top of the Cycling world and to millions and millions of dollars.
Anyways, with the ridiculous level of new proof out there was just curious if people were backing off their pious claims of his innocence now.
I think his willful lying about it for years was bad.
I think he has done tremendous good for Cancer research and that he was a phenomenal talent.
But he was the best and most intense cheater. He made it a goal to be the best cheater. And he won with that. That's a little more than the average guy taking a few PEDs. This was a scripted drug-induced ride to the top of the Cycling world and to millions and millions of dollars.
Anyways, with the ridiculous level of new proof out there was just curious if people were backing off their pious claims of his innocence now.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...da-reasoned-decision-george-hincapie/1625607/
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Michele Ferrari
-- Doctor who served as a consultant and, according to USADA, assisted Armstrong and teammates with doping.
From February 1996 through December 2006, Armstrong made 11 payments, totaling a little more than $1 million, to a Swiss company Ferrari controlled. The payments ranged in amounts from slightly less than $15,000 on Feb. 21, 1996, to $300,000 on Oct. 6, 2003.According to the report, rider Tyler Hamilton "recalled that in 2001 Dr. Ferrari told Armstrong that he could continue to use EPO in competition if he microdosed EPO and slept in an altitude tent. Ferrari's explanation was that 'The altitude tent would boost the natural production of EPO and throw off the EPO test.' "
The report says rider Floyd Landis recalled that Ferrari attended a pre-Tour de France training camp for Armstrong's U.S. Postal Service team in Spain in 2004 "to monitor the team members' blood values and that Ferrari 'administered EPO and testosterone as needed to ensure the team was ready for the Tour de France.' "
excerpted.
Michele Ferrari
-- Doctor who served as a consultant and, according to USADA, assisted Armstrong and teammates with doping.
From February 1996 through December 2006, Armstrong made 11 payments, totaling a little more than $1 million, to a Swiss company Ferrari controlled. The payments ranged in amounts from slightly less than $15,000 on Feb. 21, 1996, to $300,000 on Oct. 6, 2003.According to the report, rider Tyler Hamilton "recalled that in 2001 Dr. Ferrari told Armstrong that he could continue to use EPO in competition if he microdosed EPO and slept in an altitude tent. Ferrari's explanation was that 'The altitude tent would boost the natural production of EPO and throw off the EPO test.' "
The report says rider Floyd Landis recalled that Ferrari attended a pre-Tour de France training camp for Armstrong's U.S. Postal Service team in Spain in 2004 "to monitor the team members' blood values and that Ferrari 'administered EPO and testosterone as needed to ensure the team was ready for the Tour de France.' "
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ABQCOWBOY;4792094 said:
how do u feel about Barry Bonds and say his worthiness for the Hall of Fame?
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Manwiththeplan;4792175 said:
I feel as if Bonds tested positive and was caught. Night and day IMO.
However, in the case of the HOF, I don't think you can keep him out or ban him. All of Baseball is/was using in that era. You would either have to keep them all out or ignore it.
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jterrell;4791967 said:
Was he ever considered chaste?
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A buddy of mine had 3 different brain tumors. One of my other friends contacted the Livestrong Foundation to tell them about Dave.
Lance Armstrong called Dave personally. I will always appreciate that. In May, Dave graduated from Med School at the Univeristy of Arizona and he is now doing his residency.
He wants to be an Oncologist last I knew.
Lance Armstrong called Dave personally. I will always appreciate that. In May, Dave graduated from Med School at the Univeristy of Arizona and he is now doing his residency.
He wants to be an Oncologist last I knew.
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Hostile;4792272 said:
Good stuff.
Lance is supposed to be a world class jerk. But, this kind of thing is neat.
Really, who cares, it was riding a bike.
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WPBCowboysFan;4792357 said:
I don't even limit it to just bike racing. It is just sports in general. Give me the best no matter how they get there physically. It isn't as if he put a motor on his bike. He still had to put in the hours of training. Perhaps the PEDs helped him recover faster and he could put in even more hours training. The point is it still takes the athlete putting forth effort even when they are on PEDs.
Also, it is somewhat arbitrary what is considered an illegal or banned substance. What athletes could not use 20 years ago is allowed now or vice versa. Some of the legal supplements that are allowed today weren't around in the early 20th century. Does that make every athlete tainted?
And look at medical procedures. Gale Sayers career was cut short due to knee injuries. Those injuries are now much easier to deal with due to improvements in the medical field. Should that stuff be banned as well?
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ABQCOWBOY;4792199 said:
I was under the impression that he never tested positive and was caught with circumstantial evedience the same way Lance was.