Let's dispel some myths yesterday currently being made by fans media

[TheMarathonContinues]

So doing some research this morning found out a few things about yesterdays game.....


Deshaun Watson Time to Throw was 4.16 seconds

Which was 8th Best in the NFL this week

Which means he had the 8th most time to throw in all of the NFL this week.

On his sacks that he took he had 4.87 seconds to throw in week 1.

Since arriving to Cleveland in 2022 he's holding on to the ball for 5.36 seconds on his sacks which is the highest in the NFL in that same span. So technically he improved on that yesterday lol.


Also the narrative that their line was bad because they were missing TWO OFFENSIVE LINEMEN is also not true.

The offensive line they had out there yesterday was the same exact offensive line they had most of the year except Willis. Conklin got hurt week 2 of last year and they're using that as an excuse for why they played poor.

Dawan Jones played most of the year and started for the Browns. He is not a "rookie" or a typical backup like they tried to make it out to be.



So no it isn't lack of offensive line because Watson had time to throw. Either Watson isn't reading the defense well or Cowboys coverage was too goo but what excuse isn't valid is their "lack of offensive line because they started 2 backups". That offensive line gave him time to throw.

 

[StarOfGlory]

So doing some research this morning found out a few things about yesterdays game.....


Deshaun Watson Time to Throw was 4.16 seconds

Which was 8th Best in the NFL this week

Which means he had the 8th most time to throw in all of the NFL this week.

On his sacks that he took he had 4.87 seconds to throw in week 1.

Since arriving to Cleveland in 2022 he's holding on to the ball for 5.36 seconds on his sacks which is the highest in the NFL in that same span. So technically he improved on that yesterday lol.


Also the narrative that their line was bad because they were missing TWO OFFENSIVE LINEMEN is also not true.

The offensive line they had out there yesterday was the same exact offensive line they had most of the year except Willis. Conklin got hurt week 2 of last year and they're using that as an excuse for why they played poor.

Dawan Jones played most of the year and started for the Browns. He is not a "rookie" or a typical backup like they tried to make it out to be.



So no it isn't lack of offensive line because Watson had time to throw. Either Watson isn't reading the defense well or Cowboys coverage was too goo but what excuse isn't valid is their "lack of offensive line because they started 2 backups". That offensive line gave him time to throw.

Time to throw and time in the pocket are not the same. You saw the game. Did you see the Philly game? Hurts had a real pocket most of the time. Watson didn't. We did a great job disrupting Watson, but I personally don't think Watson is nothing more than an average QB overall.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Time to throw and time in the pocket are not the same. You saw the game. Did you see the Philly game? Hurts had a real pocket most of the time. Watson didn't. We did a great job disrupting Watson, but I personally don't think Watson is nothing more than an average QB overall.

I’m not discrediting what Cowboys did. I’m just not putting it solely on their offensive line. Watson either can’t read defenses anymore or no confidence in his throws. I’m just dispelling the myth their offensive line play is solely why they stunk.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I’m not discrediting what Cowboys did. I’m just not putting it solely on their offensive line. Watson either can’t read defenses anymore or no confidence in his throws. I’m just dispelling the myth their offensive line play is solely why they stunk.

Watson never was good at reading defenses. The Texans flat out robbed the Browns in that trade.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Watson never was good at reading defenses. The Texans flat out robbed the Browns in that trade.

I can’t say that he was a damn good QB in Houston with crappy OCS. Maybe they got by on skill….Hopkins is was one of the best at the time.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Just curious where you're getting that data from? PFF has Watson at a time of 3.12 seconds to throw. Not saying your info is wrong, but I'm curious if they are calculating it differently than PFF or if its just not a consistent stat.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Just curious where you're getting that data from? PFF has Watson at a time of 3.12 seconds to throw. Not saying your info is wrong, but I'm curious if they are calculating it differently than PFF or if its just not a consistent stat.

They mentioned it on this show unless they are wrong I thought I heard them say they got it from PFF….

 

[Vtwin]

This is the problem with stats. How exactly is that time to throw stat calculated? Is it from snap to the release of the ball or the sack, or is it from snap to the point the QB is pressured to take evasive action?

If it is the former than it completely discounts the affects of quick pressure. A QB who is moved off his spot at 2 seconds but extends the play for two more seconds is much different than a QB who has 4 seconds to read the play and throw the ball.

My eye test told me two things. Watson played a horrible game and he was pressured early and often.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This is the problem with stats. How exactly is that time to throw stat calculated? Is it from snap to the release of the ball or the sack, or is it from snap to the point the QB is pressured to take evasive action?

If it is the former than it completely discounts the affects of quick pressure. A QB who is moved off his spot at 2 seconds but extends the play for two more seconds is much different than a QB who has 4 seconds to read the play and throw the ball.

My eye test told me two things. Watson played a horrible game and he was pressured early and often.

I see what you are saying….there were a lot of times he did extend those times with his legs. The problem is once he would do that there was never a positive play. He could find no one on the run. There was one play…believe it was 4th down…he didn’t even throw it. Just took a sack and he had plenty of time to throw.

 

[fivetwos]

This seems like a good spot to eat my crow.

There’s were nearly no negatives yesterday, and they came away with a win in what seemed to be a very tough spot.

Very impressive, and was nice to see….so leave me alone lol….

However I think a lot of it was about Watson being downright awful.

This league is so much about the QB these days I expect the same teams to be there in the very end over the next handful of years.

 

[Coogiguy03]

BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE down quarterbacks!!!

 

[mmohican29]

Watson was indeed bad. But you put that kind of pressure on the QB, you cover that well, and do a solid job vs the run game:

And you have a shot to win ANY football game.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Watson hasn't been good since he sat that year in Houston. i thought we would win the game easily yesterday because I didn't think their offense would be good. But I will say, dude was punished all day long. Even on passes he did get off, he took a lot of hits. I am surprised he finished the game actually. And I didn't time it at all but from the eye test, he didn't have over 4 seconds in the pocket hardly ever yesterday.

 

[CowboysDrew]

BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE down quarterbacks!!!

The Cowboys led the league all by themselves in sacks this weekend with six.

 

[Coogiguy03]

The Cowboys led the league all by themselves in sacks this weekend with six.

Could have had 16 but we need to actually bring the QB down and not let him get away

 

[DandyDon52]

Watson never was good at reading defenses. The Texans flat out robbed the Browns in that trade.

whoever made that trade and deal should be run out of town ! tarred and feathered too.
Watson is painfully slow moving and thinking, it was hard to watch.

 

[DandyDon52]

However I think a lot of it was about Watson being downright awful.

yes and coaching too. They have a better rb which they didnt use, and a better qb they could have used, just say watson was concussed,
and take him out, go with bkup !

But watson is just too slow, he needs to lose some weight and sharpen his mind lol.

 

[RonnieT24]

Could have had 16 but we need to actually bring the QB down and not let him get away

Watson may not be much of a passer anymore but he has not lost any of his athleticism. 50 years ago he would have made a really good wide receiver when they forced him to change positions.

 

[McMicah]

Time to throw and time in the pocket are not the same. You saw the game. Did you see the Philly game? Hurts had a real pocket most of the time. Watson didn't. We did a great job disrupting Watson, but I personally don't think Watson is nothing more than an average QB overall.

I was about to type this. That time is deceiving if you are running all the way to the sideline only to be sacked by Overshown. That was probably a 7-8s play. I bet Watson wouldn’t tell you he had a lot of time yesterday

 

[Coogiguy03]

Watson may not be much of a passer anymore but he has not lost any of his athleticism. 50 years ago he would have made a really good wide receiver when they forced him to change positions.

Good point, but like I'm saying I just want us to be better at bringing QBs down instead of getting close and they slip away, not bashing just concerned