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Today was the last day of classes for my return trip to college as a non-traditional student. Because I needed to fill out my hours to go full time, and because I'm working on a novel, I took a creative writing class.

Let's suffice it to say a biology major chemistry minor is a bit out of place in the English department. Our assignments come with no hard due date, everything is debatable. I digress.

For the class, we have to turn in four pieces of fiction and three of mine were novel chapters.

After class I was talking with the professor about the last chapter I just had reviewed today by the class. He wanted to know a bit more about how my plot was going to come together because the three chapters I have turned in, there is zero common thread.

One centers around the SOS of the US, her lesbian lover, her idiot husband in the Colorado state legislature who is running for Congress in the fall, the friction she has with cabinet members in the White House, and the fact that the President is setting her up for failure to take some of the heat off of him for failed foreign policy initiative.

Another was a chapter where a Marine forward patrol base comes under fire for the first time after years of peace-keeping activities and simple drug interdictions on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The one I just had reviewed was a group of Somali pirates/mercenaries being loaded onto a ship in Vladivostok via a shipping container, killing the crew, and then releasing the 24 Russian "soldiers" inside of another container once at sea. The Russians have some critical aspect to play for one day, then they'll go back into the container, and the Somali's have instructions to lock them in until they've reached a point to dump the container overboard. One of the Russians is wearing a radiation badge, but why?

There's one other plot line running at the same time as well.

Took me about 30 minutes to spell it all out to him, including the complications down the line and the resolution.

He tells me this almost verbatim, "You've got it to become the next Clancy if you work at it. When you're done, I'll give your manuscript to my agent with my endorsement. You're close, but need to polish your style and voice some."

He mentioned that my style is very near him and Grisham, but that I need to read some of Clancy to see where my stories are needing more detail and where my dialog needs help with exposition. Of course he recommended that I take another course in basic grammar because my use of punctuation sucks goat huevos and my syntax occasionally gets way off. His final words were than I'm well ahead of the game, but it's going to be a lot of work to make it past the mid-listers "if you want to be the heir apparent."

That floored me. To even be mentioned in the same sentence as a guy who once got a $50 million dollar advance on a two book deal is, well, unreal. Pretty damned stoked, but still can't touch the book for another 8 days until finals are over.
 

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what are you looking to do with a bio-major/chem-minor bud? i'm a biochem major/spanish minor, pre-med.
 

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danielofthesaints;3735436 said:
what are you looking to do with a bio-major/chem-minor bud? i'm a biochem major/spanish minor, pre-med.

Biomed research, in a perfect world. I had an offer from a company here in San Antonio a few months back, pending on my graduation.
 

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Good luck with that. It sounds like a great opportunity. and good luck with the book as well. Let us know what comes of it.
 

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If it is your dream to write, then write, and stay at it. Long ago, I had a really good friend who had that dream. He had a wall full of rejection slips from his submissions. I used to proof read and do minor edits and suggestions for him. One script was called Mercedes Nights, and it was pretty good. It still got rejected. Well, years later, I received a package in the mail from him. It was his first published book, Mercedes Nights, autographed to me. He had finally made it.

So, dreams can and do happen...
 

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Man, I hope you have Clancy's success, but end up a much better writer. Clancy's not so hot. He doesn't do characters very well at all, it's all about the setup and plot machinations.

Funny thing, when you were describing the first chapter, I was convinced you must be writing a new novel, as it didn't seem to be related to the one you'd mentioned you were working on. :)
 

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arglebargle;3736570 said:
Man, I hope you have Clancy's success, but end up a much better writer. Clancy's not so hot. He doesn't do characters very well at all, it's all about the setup and plot machinations.

Funny thing, when you were describing the first chapter, I was convinced you must be writing a new novel, as it didn't seem to be related to the one you'd mentioned you were working on. :)

Jack Ryan is one of the flattest characters in modern successful fiction. I remember reading that what's his name in Hunt for Red Oct completely created a personality for him based on what the screen writer's did with the adaptation because when he read the book he found so little to work with.

Two things are pretty certain, Jack Ryan will always be taupe/beige/grey/listless other than his fear of flying, and Clancy will never write an engaging sex scene. Neither of those things will ever take away from his success.

Clancy can write a heckuva story though. His attention to technical detail is great. Same with Rowling. She can really tell a story, but some of the actions of her characters really jump the shark.

Tolkien is cut of the same cloth. Great story writer, things move well, but his dialog is horrible. To be honest, his dialog is high school horrible, but it shows how well he tells the story that it doesn't turn you off from the scenes he paints in front of the reader.

I look at my stuff, read it, and hate it. That's part of a writer's job, to think your material isn't good enough yet. I've gone back and rewritten my actual first chapter a few times. It isn't there, yet. What you replied as thinking what might be my first chapter is actually the 5th and 8th. The first is the fire fight at the Marine patrol base. Digression in full effect.

7 more days and I can get back to it. There's a great little ambush I'm walking my Marines into. Always have an antagonist who is stronger/smarter/more determined than your protagonist. Everyone loves to see the underdog win, especially if the antagonist is more evil than the Yankees.
 

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Good luck to you on that... very high praise thrown your way...

Too bad it's Southwest Texas as opposed to Stephen F. Austin... you may have REALLY had promise... :D
 

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trickblue;3736876 said:
Good luck to you on that... very high praise thrown your way...

Too bad it's Southwest Texas as opposed to Stephen F. Austin... you may have REALLY had promise... :D
What would a wrestling school have to do with writing?

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:D
 

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trickblue;3736876 said:
Good luck to you on that... very high praise thrown your way...

Too bad it's Southwest Texas as opposed to Stephen F. Austin... you may have REALLY had promise... :D

I'm sorry, I can't hear you all the way up here in Div 1. You'll have to yell louder from the SLC. ;)
 

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Cover 2;3737753 said:
What would a wrestling school have to do with writing?

:confused:

:D

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SaltwaterServr;3737754 said:
I'm sorry, I can't hear you all the way up here in Div 1. You'll have to yell louder from the SLC. ;)

Good luck recruiting against UT... ;)
 

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trickblue;3737763 said:
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Good luck recruiting against UT... ;)
its not UT we'll be recruiting against, UTSA and us will be fighting it out for 2 and 3 star recruits from Texas, i think eventually both could put together a competitive team to the effect of UH or USF. its crazy that there will be 3 D1 programs along a 80 miles stretch of highway
 

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You really have to pull for UTSA too. Brand new program, and they get a dome to play in to boot.

Except when we play 'em. Bobcats gonna eat them birds and crap the feathers on their campus.
 

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rkell87;3737824 said:
its not UT we'll be recruiting against, UTSA and us will be fighting it out for 2 and 3 star recruits from Texas, i think eventually both could put together a competitive team to the effect of UH or USF. its crazy that there will be 3 D1 programs along a 80 miles stretch of highway

If you are going to D1... you are recruiting against UT for Blue Chips...

I can understand the move as you have major airports in the area... SFA does not...

To get things back on topic, let us know when you have a novel available... I would like to read it...
 

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trickblue;3737867 said:
If you are going to D1... you are recruiting against UT for Blue Chips...

I can understand the move as you have major airports in the area... SFA does not...

To get things back on topic, let us know when you have a novel available... I would like to read it...
it would be a waste of resources to even try, there is a pecking order and the only thing they can do is steal some of UH and TCU recruits and sell some borderline 4 stars on location vs. going out of state to mizzou, nebraska, OSU, and other big 12 teams.

on topic congrats salt.
 

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Thanks y'all. My studying got derailed a bit tonight because of it. You can never know too much about the Russian missile service and their arsenal, specifically designed barometric lensing effects on air blast architecture. Okay, I made most of that up after "specifically" but it is plausible to change an explosion from a sphere to a dome.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3736633 said:
Jack Ryan is one of the flattest characters in modern successful fiction. I remember reading that what's his name in Hunt for Red Oct completely created a personality for him based on what the screen writer's did with the adaptation because when he read the book he found so little to work with.

Two things are pretty certain, Jack Ryan will always be taupe/beige/grey/listless other than his fear of flying, and Clancy will never write an engaging sex scene. Neither of those things will ever take away from his success.

Clancy can write a heckuva story though. His attention to technical detail is great. Same with Rowling. She can really tell a story, but some of the actions of her characters really jump the shark.

Tolkien is cut of the same cloth. Great story writer, things move well, but his dialog is horrible. To be honest, his dialog is high school horrible, but it shows how well he tells the story that it doesn't turn you off from the scenes he paints in front of the reader.

I look at my stuff, read it, and hate it. That's part of a writer's job, to think your material isn't good enough yet. I've gone back and rewritten my actual first chapter a few times. It isn't there, yet. What you replied as thinking what might be my first chapter is actually the 5th and 8th. The first is the fire fight at the Marine patrol base. Digression in full effect.

7 more days and I can get back to it. There's a great little ambush I'm walking my Marines into. Always have an antagonist who is stronger/smarter/more determined than your protagonist. Everyone loves to see the underdog win, especially if the antagonist is more evil than the Yankees.

Good call! I agree with you alot here. Clancy's set up and technical detail are his strengths. Characters, less so.

Rowlings, I enjoyed, but my experiance was different than most, I read the entire series in about 2 weeks, after having seen some of the movies. Overall pretty positive, and I really like the way the novels matured at the roughly the rate her readers did. Obviously an intentional ramping up of the maturity level.

Yeah, I love Tolkien, but characters were not what made LotR great. The fully realized world was top billing there. The movies breathed much more life into the various players, a nod to the skill of the scriptwriters and actors. Interesting to me, I have read large chunks of the books aloud, and they flow very well. Given that Tolkien was a scholar of languages that had strong oral traditions, I do not think this is accidental.

Success is sometimes a chimera of fortune: Bulwer-Lyton was considered one of the best authors around at the turn of the 20th century. Now, you'd have to pay people to read him.

"It was a dark and stormy night....."

Anyway, good writing will out, and so far the teasers you've tossed about are pretty dang good. I know I want to read it!
 

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trickblue;3736876 said:
Good luck to you on that... very high praise thrown your way...

Too bad it's Southwest Texas as opposed to Stephen F. Austin... you may have REALLY had promise... :D

The only good Lumber Jack is a dead Lumber Jack ;) now you get to guess what college I went to. The funny thing my first ever lacrosse game against SFA we had 7 people in the penalty box.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3738067 said:
Thanks y'all. My studying got derailed a bit tonight because of it. You can never know too much about the Russian missile service and their arsenal, specifically designed barometric lensing effects on air blast architecture. Okay, I made most of that up after "specifically" but it is plausible to change an explosion from a sphere to a dome.

For some reason your professors comment brought to mind something I read or saw. Some newbie writer let his prof. submit his paper to some one with his name on it for a recommendation. The paper was published and credit was given to the prof. and cut the author out, he had to grin and bear it.
Protect your intellectual property at all times. Keep original copies ,dated and witnessed by trustworthy (in a court of law),people.
jmho!
 

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jubal;3739597 said:
For some reason your professors comment brought to mind something I read or saw. Some newbie writer let his prof. submit his paper to some one with his name on it for a recommendation. The paper was published and credit was given to the prof. and cut the author out, he had to grin and bear it.
Protect your intellectual property at all times. Keep original copies ,dated and witnessed by trustworthy (in a court of law),people.
jmho!

Funny, but the professor mentioned that sometime this semester. One of his friends daughters co-wrote a good chunk of a book Hillary Clinton put out when she was in her first year as a NY senator. She didn't ask for any rights to her name being added, assuming that she'd be mentioned somewhere in the publication's credit as being a contrbuting (majority) author. Hills went to the publisher at the last minute and had her name scratched completely from the manuscript.
 
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