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[rcaldw]

This from Dallas Cowboys.com

JUST ONE MORE EVIDENCE OF WHO REALLY THINKS OF HIMSELF AS THE COACH OF THE DALLAS COWBOYS

Josh Ellis - Email
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
October 21, 2008 5:30 PM

IRVING, Texas - So the Rams beat the Commanders in Week Six. They had the help of some turnovers, but the win against a division rival of the Cowboys should have at least raised some eyebrows around The Ranch.

But St. Louis had still scored only five touchdowns heading into Sunday's game against the Cowboys. Sure Dallas had lost in two of the previous three weeks, and sure the team was without its starting quarterback, punter and left guard. The first two left cornerbacks on the depth chart were gone, as was the nickel linebacker and another pass rush specialist.

With the deck seemingly stacked against the Cowboys, there's no reason to expect the Rams would have been overlooked. But apparently they were.

"I shouldn't have, but did, underestimate what the Rams could do," Jerry Jones said on the team's flagship radio station Tuesday. "I think we all did. We felt that we could go in against a team that hasn't scored but five touchdowns all year . . . and grind it out."

According to Jones and at least one Cowboys player, the team was treated to just another example of parity in the league on Sunday.

"After the game I was visiting with Dave Campo," Jones said. "It was pointed out that every player on (the Rams) at some point had been outstanding, whether it be at the college level or whether it be at the pro level. In other words, they're outstanding players if they're playing and certainly starting on an NFL team, and on any given Sunday those things can go right for them and go bad for us and you can get your tail kicked. That's what happened to us."


What a pitiful situation we have right now. It is almost embarrassing as far as I'm concerned.

 

[aikemirv]

Excuses from the coaches - ridiculous -

Just own up you sorry excuse for a coach, and I mean all of them

And Jerry is buying that garbage!!!!!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

How does any of that make him sound like he thinks he's the coach? You mean the owner can't be stupid enough to over look an opponent?

 

[dmq]

Jones isn't a player. Who cares if he over or underestimated a team?

 

[rcaldw]

How does any of that make him sound like he thinks he's the coach? You mean the owner can't be stupid enough to over look an opponent?

I mean, DID YOU overlook the Rams? If YOU did, what would it really matter? Are you coaching them? Does your overlooking them have anything to do with the outcome? Of course not. Why not? Because YOU aren't coaching them.

So, why does JERRY'S overlooking them matter? Why does he talk about it like it does? Because one way or another he still sees himself involved with the outcome of these games, and if you just look at pictures of practice that we've all seen, or listen to Jerry himself about how he interacts with coaches, you will recognize that he sees himself as not only the owner, and the gm, but also one of the minds that goes into the game itself.

It is sad.

Why not, "I think our coaches and players might have overlooked them?"

 

[TwentyOne]

Excuses from the coaches - ridiculous -

Just own up you sorry excuse for a coach, and I mean all of them

And Jerry is buying that garbage!!!!!

I don't think Jerry is buying it. This is bull**** for the media. Jerry trys to put this whole thing into a positive light.

Like coaches are under control coaches are doing the rigth thing we are going in the right direction and Jerry stand by his coach (Philips especially). All because Jerry doesn't want to be a distraction in a situation where there is enough preassure already.

I think they talk in other woprds behind closed doors.

 

[Wrangler87]

We just found out how bad we really are.

How heartless we are.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I don't get the point you're trying to make

 

[FLCowboyFan]

He's trying to show that Jerry thinks he is the coach and Wade is a puppet...yada yada.

Jerry has been involved in team meetings with every coach that has been here. Jimmy and BP both had him in the meetings and they were not his puppets. Frankly I'm tired of this old refrain that pops up everytime we hit a rough spot. Of course if we do well nobody says...."Jerry is the real coach here and look at how great he is doing"

Jerry was a huge fan before he bought the team. He moved his company HQ's to Valley Ranch to be close to the team. The man has dedicated himself to this team just like everyone of us would if we were in his situation. He is not the coach and is not the problem. Wade is the coach and must get his team ready.

 

[rcaldw]

I don't get the point you're trying to make

If you listen closely to how Jerry talks about how the Cowboys perform, he often times discusses it like a coach would instead of an owner or GM.

An owner or GM puts the pieces together for the coaches, and from that point on is pretty much a spectator. He is not in charge of game strategy. He is not in charge of getting players fired up, or ripping their rear ends when they do poorly. THAT IS THE JOB OF COACHES. If you don't need SOMEONE ELSE to handle game strategy and players then YOU DON'T NEED TO HIRE COACHES.

Well, Jerry, just as he promised, is involved even down to the socks and jocks. He does it all. He gives post game chew outs to the players. He stands on the sidelines at crucial moments and fires up the players.

And, apparently, he takes personal responsibility for underestimating an opponent when they kick our rear ends.

He doesn't say that the coaches and players may have overlooked our last opponent. HE OVERLOOKED THEM, AND HE SHOULDN'T HAVE. HE THOUGHT WE COULD GRIND IT OUT AGAINST THEM.

I just see (and maybe I'm reading too much into things, but I really don't think so) that Jerry Jones undermines his coaches and really makes it impossible to respect them for what they have to do, because he wants himself constantly seen as the ultimate reason for their success or failure.

I manage people myself, and I have people under me who manage people. If I constantly have the people who are managed by my managers feel that they can bypass my managers and come to me, or if I constantly bypass my managers to deal with their people, pretty soon the whole thing bogs down because my managers don't have any real and meaningful role. I'M THE GUY.

That might make me feel good, but it sure doesn't make the organization better.

 

[rcaldw]

He's trying to show that Jerry thinks he is the coach and Wade is a puppet...yada yada.

Jerry has been involved in team meetings with every coach that has been here. Jimmy and BP both had him in the meetings and they were not his puppets. Frankly I'm tired of this old refrain that pops up everytime we hit a rough spot. Of course if we do well nobody says...."Jerry is the real coach here and look at how great he is doing"

Jerry was a huge fan before he bought the team. He moved his company HQ's to Valley Ranch to be close to the team. The man has dedicated himself to this team just like everyone of us would if we were in his situation. He is not the coach and is not the problem. Wade is the coach and must get his team ready.

You are certainly entitled to your retread of an opinion also. Both sides of this debate have been voiced often. BOTH SIDES have. But if you think that Jerry treated Jimmy the way he treats Wade Phillips you are just wrong.

I think of the NFL films shot we see often, it was taken during the 1992 season, when Jerry was on the sidelines of the game we played at Oakland. Jerry was so excited that we were beating the Raiders and he, almost unable to contain himself, jumps forward to shake Jimmy's hand during the 4th quarter.

Jimmy looked almost aggravated at first, and Jerry looked almost apologetic throughout, and if you think Jerry has had that kind of respect for anyone else, other than maybe Parcells, then you aren't watching.

 

[Dodger12]

If you listen closely to how Jerry talks about how the Cowboys perform, he often times discusses it like a coach would instead of an owner or GM.

An owner or GM puts the pieces together for the coaches, and from that point on is pretty much a spectator. He is not in charge of game strategy. He is not in charge of getting players fired up, or ripping their rear ends when they do poorly. THAT IS THE JOB OF COACHES. If you don't need SOMEONE ELSE to handle game strategy and players then YOU DON'T NEED TO HIRE COACHES.

Well, Jerry, just as he promised, is involved even down to the socks and jocks. He does it all. He gives post game chew outs to the players. He stands on the sidelines at crucial moments and fires up the players.

And, apparently, he takes personal responsibility for underestimating an opponent when they kick our rear ends.

He doesn't say that the coaches and players may have overlooked our last opponent. HE OVERLOOKED THEM, AND HE SHOULDN'T HAVE. HE THOUGHT WE COULD GRIND IT OUT AGAINST THEM.

I just see (and maybe I'm reading too much into things, but I really don't think so) that Jerry Jones undermines his coaches and really makes it impossible to respect them for what they have to do, because he wants himself constantly seen as the ultimate reason for their success or failure.

I manage people myself, and I have people under me who manage people. If I constantly have the people who are managed by my managers feel that they can bypass my managers and come to me, or if I constantly bypass my managers to deal with their people, pretty soon the whole thing bogs down because my managers don't have any real and meaningful role. I'M THE GUY.

That might make me feel good, but it sure doesn't make the organization better.

Great post RC. The bolded part is such a simple premiss I don't understand why people can't understand it.

The HC needs to be viewed by everyone, players and assistant coaches, as the man in charge of what happens on the field and have the respect and loyalty of those same people.

 

[FLCowboyFan]

You are certainly entitled to your retread of an opinion also. Both sides of this debate have been voiced often. BOTH SIDES have. But if you think that Jerry treated Jimmy the way he treats Wade Phillips you are just wrong.

I think of the NFL films shot we see often, it was taken during the 1992 season, when Jerry was on the sidelines of the game we played at Oakland. Jerry was so excited that we were beating the Raiders and he, almost unable to contain himself, jumps forward to shake Jimmy's hand during the 4th quarter.

Jimmy looked almost aggravated at first, and Jerry looked almost apologetic throughout, and if you think Jerry has had that kind of respect for anyone else, other than maybe Parcells, then you aren't watching.

He didn't do it to Jimmy because Jimmy had nads and backed him off. He didn't do it to BP because Bill had nads and backed him off. He is a strong personality and will do this with everyone if he can. But there is evidence that he can be backed off if you have a strong coach. So what is the theme here? A weak coach that doesn't take control of the coaching. I'm not saying that Jerry doesn't have tendencies to get too involved. What I'm saying is that when he is too involved it is the coach who allows it.

 

[rcaldw]

He didn't do it to Jimmy because Jimmy had nads and backed him off. He didn't do it to BP because Bill had nads and backed him off. He is a strong personality and will do this with everyone if he can. But there is evidence that he can be backed off if you have a strong coach. So what is the theme here? A weak coach that doesn't take control of the coaching. I'm not saying that Jerry doesn't have tendencies to get too involved. What I'm saying is that when he is too involved it is the coach who allows it.

You and I agree completely on this. And I don't take issue with even one thing you say here. The only thing I would add, is that the guy who has to recognize this about himself and get coaches who are strong is Jerry himself.

If you had an owner who wasn't also the GM, and he saw these tendencies in the GM, then he could fix it by hiring strong coaches and telling the GM to stay within his role. Unfortunately when the Owner is the GM and is also the one hiring the weenie coaches, then I don't know that it can be fixed.

Al Davis is the clearest example of what Jerry is doing in Dallas. The only difference is that Al doesn't have the money (apparently) that Jerry does.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I love Jerry as an owner. Wouldn't want anyone else, if we are talking Jerry purely as an owner.

I don't like Jerry as a GM without a real football man to give him guidance (Jimmy and Parcells), and I certainly don't like him as a coach.

 

[Big Dakota]

If you listen closely to how Jerry talks about how the Cowboys perform, he often times discusses it like a coach would instead of an owner or GM.

An owner or GM puts the pieces together for the coaches, and from that point on is pretty much a spectator. He is not in charge of game strategy. He is not in charge of getting players fired up, or ripping their rear ends when they do poorly. THAT IS THE JOB OF COACHES. If you don't need SOMEONE ELSE to handle game strategy and players then YOU DON'T NEED TO HIRE COACHES.

Well, Jerry, just as he promised, is involved even down to the socks and jocks. He does it all. He gives post game chew outs to the players. He stands on the sidelines at crucial moments and fires up the players.

And, apparently, he takes personal responsibility for underestimating an opponent when they kick our rear ends.

He doesn't say that the coaches and players may have overlooked our last opponent. HE OVERLOOKED THEM, AND HE SHOULDN'T HAVE. HE THOUGHT WE COULD GRIND IT OUT AGAINST THEM.

I just see (and maybe I'm reading too much into things, but I really don't think so) that Jerry Jones undermines his coaches and really makes it impossible to respect them for what they have to do, because he wants himself constantly seen as the ultimate reason for their success or failure.

I manage people myself, and I have people under me who manage people. If I constantly have the people who are managed by my managers feel that they can bypass my managers and come to me, or if I constantly bypass my managers to deal with their people, pretty soon the whole thing bogs down because my managers don't have any real and meaningful role. I'M THE GUY.

That might make me feel good, but it sure doesn't make the organization better.

A lot of folks on here have said much the same and I'd venture to guess even more are thinking the same. The buck stops with Jerry and there is an inherent danger in doing things the way he does them, but this is how it's done and we all know we have to live with that fact.

As Michael Corleone said: "I command this family, right or wrong"

 

[CrazyCowboy]

ok....lets do something about it.

 

[tyke1doe]

Why not, "I think our coaches and players might have overlooked them?"

Because leaders don't speak like that in public. They don't throw people under the bus. If they're speaking in public, they usually take the blame. That is what Jerry Jones is doing.

At the time he feels is best, he will fire Wade Phillips. But he's not going to do that in the press. And neither is he going to publicly undercut Wade's authority, even though he does tend to - by his words or how he phrases things - do that very thing.

 

[cowboyed]

What a ridiculous reach rcaldw and if your absurd conclusion about Jones being the coach had any semblance of credibility then why weren't you voicing your displeasure all of last season and at the onset of this season....

Ohh, we were winning...

I get it now, when we win Wade and or the staff is coaching, when we lose Jones is coaching. Very astute.

 

[rcaldw]

What a ridiculous reach rcaldw and if your absurd conclusion about Jones being the coach had any semblance of credibility then why weren't you voicing your displeasure all of last season and at the onset of this season....

Ohh, we were winning...

I get it now, when we win Wade and or the staff is coaching, when we lose Jones is coaching. Very astute.

Sorry friend, I was ahead of the curve on Wade Phillips, never was for him. I was actually for Norv Turner, and while I expect that will get me some laughs , I still think he would have been a better choice. I still believe that at least Norv TRIES to run a disciplined team, I don't even know if Phillips attempts such a thing. And in terms of last season, I thought then, just as I do now, that the regular season is only a means to an end. The goal, ESPECIALLY for the Dallas Cowboys, should be the Super Bowl, period. I'm so tired of dumb downed expectations when there was a day that winning was EXPECTED in Dallas. Where did those days go?

 

[rcaldw]

Because leaders don't speak like that in public. They don't throw people under the bus. If they're speaking in public, they usually take the blame. That is what Jerry Jones is doing.

At the time he feels is best, he will fire Wade Phillips. But he's not going to do that in the press. And neither is he going to publicly undercut Wade's authority, even though he does tend to - by his words or how he phrases things - do that very thing.

Cmon, Jerry talks like that BEFORE games too. Listen, it isn't just fans who recognize this, there has been an endless line of people who say that Jerry wants to run the show in Dallas and the two notable exceptions where he has stepped back a bit have been Jimmy and Parcells. It's his team, he paid for it, yes, that is true. But that is a world of difference from saying that it is smart and the best thing for his football team. I don't think it is.