Marion Barber III Second Best Runner in the League

[dannyz]

There are 31 running backs with at least 85 carries this season. Of those, MB3 is ranked #2 with 5.4 yards per carry behind only Adrian Peterson (6.6). Barber ranks T-4th in the league of all running backs regardless of number of carries.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=rush&sort=avg&league=nfl&season=2&year=2007

 

[dooomsday]

There are 31 running backs with at least 85 carries this season. Of those, MB3 is ranked #2 with 5.4 yards per carry behind only Adrian Peterson (6.6). Barber ranks T-4th in the league of all running backs regardless of number of carries.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=rush&sort=avg&league=nfl&season=2&year=2007

You must have missed those 4 plays he didnt gain anything.

He is a bulldozer. No matter how he seems to start by the end of every game he has done his job. Incredibly consistent this year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The best RB in the league is determined by yards per carry?

Not sure I'm buying that.

 

[dooomsday]

The best RB in the league is determined by yards per carry?

Not sure I'm buying that.

I dont think anyone said best. He certainly isnt the best runner.

But if a group of RBs have the same number of carries, the higher the YPC the more productive. Its a very good measure especially for a full time player.

 

[Hoofbite]

I've always laughed when people tried to say that Barber was getting all his production because the other team was tired or unsuspecting or too busy counting blades of grass or whatever else excuse was thrown out there.

It doesn't take too much effort to see that there are not many RBs in the league having his sort of success. If it was so easy to produce in Barber's situation, why aren't there a dozen more backups across the league who are scoring TDs at his pace and making plays at his pace?

 

[Rack]

I dont think anyone said best. He certainly isnt the best runner.

But if a group of RBs have the same number of carries, the higher the YPC the more productive. Its a very good measure especially for a full time player.

There's alot more to it then just the same amount of carries.

What personnel they were in for those carries, what personnel they faced, down & distance, time of game, etc.. all factor into it.


It's not a simple matter of "Same amount of carries, higher YPC wins".

 

[dooomsday]

There's alot more to it then just the same amount of carries.

What personnel they were in for those carries, what personnel they faced, down & distance, time of game, etc.. all factor into it.


It's not a simple matter of "Same amount of carries, higher YPC wins".

A lot more to what?

I am just making a point about yards, and it is that simple. Same carries, higher YPC = more productive statistically. I am not saying better or anything.

If you refer who's better, I agree, there's much more 2 it. I dont put Barber in the top of the class of runners regardless. But, when all things are considered, TDs, team value, etc. he is up there. I dont think the poster said he was the 2nd best, just looking at YPC. I always look at a RBs YPC as a good measure if the carries are there.

 

[Rack]

A lot more to what?

I am just making a point about yards, and it is that simple. Same carries, higher YPC = more productive. I am not saying better or anything.

If you refer who's better, I agree, there's much more 2 it. I dont put Barber in the top of the class of runners regardless. But, when all things are considered, TDs, team value, etc. he is up there. I dont think the poster said he was the 2nd best, just looking at YPC. I always look at a RBs YPC as a good measure if the carries are there.

No, it isn't.

The only way it comes out that way is if all the carries were done in the exact same situation.


Let's say RB A gets two straight carries from their own 20 yard line and gains 9 yards. That's 4.5 yards per carry.


RB B gets two straight carries on the opponents 1 yard line, resulting in a TD.


There's no possible way RB B could of got more YPC then RB A in that situation.


But RB B was more productive anyway cuz he put points on the board. So YPC does NOT = better production. Not necessarily.

 

[dooomsday]

No, it isn't.

The only way it comes out that way is if all the carries were done in the exact same situation.


Let's say RB A gets two straight carries from their own 20 yard line and gains 9 yards. That's 4.5 yards per carry.


RB B gets two straight carries on the opponents 1 yard line, resulting in a TD.


There's no possible way RB B could of got more YPC then RB A in that situation.


But RB B was more productive anyway cuz he put points on the board. So YPC does NOT = better production. Not necessarily.

I think we are discussing 2 different things. By production I only meant yards. If 2 guys have the same number of carries, the one with the higher YPC has the more yards. They only way to achieve a higher YPC is to have more yards. Thats quantified, not qualified.

When qualifying I agree. Its just a stat. But, when the carries are there there short and long runs even themselves out. When is becomes deceptive is a guy like Norwood who's long runs spike his YPC due to a low # of carries.

 

[Rack]

I think we are discussing 2 different things. By production I only meant yards. If 2 guys have the same number of carries, the one with the higher YPC has the more yards. They only way to achieve a higher YPC is to have more yards. Thats quantified, not qualified.

When qualifying I agree. Its just a stat. But, when the carries are there there short and long runs even themselves out. When is becomes deceptive is a guy like Norwood who's long runs spike his YPC due to a low # of carries.

That's obvious. But production doesn't necessarily mean yards.

I'll take two carries for 1 yard and a TD over 2 carries for 9 yards.


So obviously higher YPC on equal amount of carries equals more yards, but I was referring to overall production.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't know if he is the 2nd best RB in the league but I do think he is one of the better backs in the game right now.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't know if he is the 2nd best RB in the league but I do think he is one of the better backs in the game right now.

Especially in the 4th quarter.

 

[Doomsday101]

Especially in the 4th quarter.

Well with getting carries earlier in the game he has done a great job early as well. Most good RB will produce in the 4th as the defense starts to show cracks because of being tired.

 

[dooomsday]

That's obvious. But production doesn't necessarily mean yards.

I'll take two carries for 1 yard and a TD over 2 carries for 9 yards.


So obviously higher YPC on equal amount of carries equals more yards, but I was referring to overall production.

Me too. Let me ask you this, when you look at an RB stat line to guage production what are the things/columns you look at?

 

[RomoIsBack]

top 5 to me cause joseph adai is playing great for the colts