Mcshay has Tet Mcmillan at 50th best prospect

[stilltheguru]

Sounds accurate to me.

 

[Teague31]

If the goal is to get slower on offense then this is the guy

 

[Mr_437]

Tet at 44?

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think that is just kind of the nature of this draft. I think you could make an argument for nearly all the top WRs that they could go anywhere form 12 to the 50 range. Same with some of these RBs. TEs too due to positional value. It's just how the talent level of this draft is this year. Outside of the top 8 or so there really isnt a massive talent gap until you get through a good chunk of the 2nd round. I could see team boards being wildly different this year and it could make for a must see TV during round 1.

 

[Bobhaze]

Yeah in some prior years drafts that had much deeper WR prospects, Golden might be bottom of round one/round two. Taking him at 12 seems like a reach to me.

McMillian is probably not the 12th best player either although he’s probably a first round talent.

 

[baltcowboy]

Sounds accurate to me.

I agree. Tet has never played well against quality competition. At least you saw Golden light up 5 star recruits and top 5 teams. Tet destroyed bad teams and 0 star recruits.

 

[TasteMyScythe]

I think that is just kind of the nature of this draft. I think you could make an argument for nearly all the top WRs that they could go anywhere form 12 to the 50 range. Same with some of these RBs. TEs too due to positional value. It's just how the talent level of this draft is this year. Outside of the top 8 or so there really isnt a massive talent gap until you get through a good chunk of the 2nd round. I could see team boards being wildly different this year and it could make for a must see TV during round 1.

From 10 to 40 the talent is absolutely flat, not saying it's bad, there is just really no separation. It sure would be interesting to see how different each team's boards are. I don't ever recall seeing a draft such as this one. We might see some decent trade action in rounds 2 and 3 with teams targeting specific players they like and are willing to give up draft capital in the later rounds where the talent level drops considerably.
I expect the Cowboys to make a trade or two with some of their late round picks, either to move up or trade for a player. go. The players drafted in the 7th this year would be undrafted in any other draft.

 

[Pass2Run]

Then McShay isn't credible...who paid him?

 

[visionary]

At 12 the ONLY option is to trade down or reach for a DE or take OT

Absolutely should not take WR or RB or CB

 

[stilltheguru]

I agree. Tet has never played well against quality competition. At least you saw Golden light up 5 star recruits and top 5 teams. Tet destroyed bad teams and 0 star recruits.

He scored a 1 yard td on Travis hunter. Don't you dare question him!

 

[Risen Star]

WR Coach on Golden vs McMillan

“I like Golden better,” He’s just a better receiver with a different type of speed and acceleration. When you see him against Georgia and Arizona State, he’s got a gear that most people don’t have. He’s super strong and makes catches in the end zone that are straight hands catches.”

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I agree. Tet has never played well against quality competition. At least you saw Golden light up 5 star recruits and top 5 teams. Tet destroyed bad teams and 0 star recruits.

Yeah, that’s not remotely true.

 

[baltcowboy]

Yeah, that’s not remotely true.

What team did Tet play good against that was good. Colorado? Most of his touchdowns last season happened against the first two games. New Mexico and Northern Arizona.

 

[TasteMyScythe]

I agree. Tet has never played well against quality competition. At least you saw Golden light up 5 star recruits and top 5 teams. Tet destroyed bad teams and 0 star recruits.

The Pac 12 and Big 12 are not quality competition?
Tet was the only weapon Az had, and he faced content double teams' week after week and was the key read for every defense.

Let's compare the last two seasons between Golden and Tet...

Golden...2023

09/02/23	UTSA	Turf	W 17-14	4	36	9.00	1
09/09/23	@ Rice	Turf	L 41-43	5	60	12.00	2
09/16/23	TCU	Turf	L 13-36	4	56	14.00	0
09/23/23	Sam Houston St.	Turf	W 38-7	9	92	10.22	1
09/30/23	@ Texas Tech	Turf	L 28-49	2	17	8.50	0
10/12/23	West Virginia	Turf	W 41-39	3	34	11.33	0
10/21/23	3 Texas	Turf	L 24-31	7	88	12.57	2
10/28/23	@ 18 Kansas St.	Turf	L 0-41	3	6	2.00	0
11/04/23	@ Baylor	Turf	W 25-24	1	15	15.00	0
11/11/23	Cincinnati	Turf	L 14-24	Did not play
11/18/23	16 Oklahoma St.	Turf	L 30-43	Did not play
11/25/23	@ UCF	Grass	L 13-27	Did not play

2024

08/31/24	Colorado St.	Turf	W 52-0	3	50	16.67	2
09/07/24	@ Michigan	Turf	W 31-12	6	41	6.83	1
09/14/24	UTSA	Turf	W 56-7	3	34	11.33	0
09/21/24	La.-Monroe	Turf	W 51-3	1	46	46.00	0
09/28/24	Mississippi St.	Turf	W 35-13	5	52	10.40	0
10/12/24	+ Oklahoma	Grass	W 34-3	1	23	23.00	0
10/19/24	6 Georgia	Turf	L 15-30	3	77	25.67	0
10/26/24	@ Vanderbilt	Turf	W 27-24	2	9	4.50	1
11/09/24	Florida	Turf	W 49-17	3	64	21.33	2
11/16/24	@ Arkansas	Turf	W 20-10	2	21	10.50	2
11/23/24	Kentucky	Turf	W 31-14	7	86	12.29	0
11/30/24	@ Texas A&M	Grass	W 17-7	3	73	24.33	0
12/07/24	+ 6 Georgia	Turf	L 19-22	8	162	20.25	0
12/21/24	14 Clemson	Turf	W 38-24	2	49	24.50	0
01/01/25	+ 7 Arizona St.	Turf	W 39-31	7	149	21.29	1
01/10/25	+ 1 Ohio St.	Turf	L 14-28	2	51	25.50	0

Tet...2023

09/02/23	Northern Ariz.	Turf	W 38-3	3	65	21.67	1
09/09/23	@ Mississippi St.	Grass	L 24-31	8	161	20.13	1
09/16/23	UTEP	Turf	W 31-10	6	89	14.83	1
09/23/23	@ Stanford	Grass	W 21-20	4	26	6.50	0
09/30/23	2 Washington	Turf	L 24-31	6	45	7.50	2
10/07/23	@ Southern California	Grass	L 41-43	6	138	23.00	0
10/14/23	@ Washington St.	Turf	W 44-6	7	68	9.71	0
10/28/23	Oregon St.	Turf	W 27-24	8	80	10.00	1
11/04/23	UCLA	Turf	W 27-10	4	81	20.25	1
11/11/23	@ Colorado	Grass	W 34-31	9	107	11.89	1
11/18/23	Utah	Turf	W 42-18	8	116	14.50	1
11/25/23	@ Arizona St.	Grass	W 59-23	11	266	24.18	1
12/28/23	+ 15 Oklahoma	Turf	W 38-24	10	160	16.00	0

2024

08/31/24	New Mexico	Turf	W 61-39	10	304	30.40	4
09/07/24	Northern Ariz.	Turf	W 22-10	2	11	5.50	0
09/13/24	@ Kansas St.	Turf	L 7-31	11	138	12.55	0
09/28/24	@ Utah	Turf	W 23-10	6	50	8.33	0
10/05/24	Texas Tech	Turf	L 22-28	8	161	20.13	0
10/12/24	@ 13 Brigham Young	Grass	L 19-41	5	78	15.60	0
10/19/24	25 Colorado	Turf	L 7-34	5	38	7.60	0
10/26/24	West Virginia	Turf	L 26-31	10	202	20.20	1
11/02/24	@ UCF	Grass	L 12-56	6	84	14.00	1
11/15/24	Houston	Turf	W 27-3	6	70	11.67	1
11/23/24	@ TCU	Grass	L 28-49	9	115	12.78	0
11/30/24	7 Arizona St.	Turf	L 7-49	6	68	11.33	1

 

[Risen Star]

I've dropped McMillan from a non-priority free agent to a camp invite sent by snail mail.

 

[baltcowboy]

The Pac 12 and Big 12 are not quality competition?
Tet was the only weapon Az had, and he faced content double teams' week after week and was the key read for every defense.

Let's compare the last two seasons between Golden and Tet...

Golden...2023

09/02/23	UTSA	Turf	W 17-14	4	36	9.00	1
09/09/23	@ Rice	Turf	L 41-43	5	60	12.00	2
09/16/23	TCU	Turf	L 13-36	4	56	14.00	0
09/23/23	Sam Houston St.	Turf	W 38-7	9	92	10.22	1
09/30/23	@ Texas Tech	Turf	L 28-49	2	17	8.50	0
10/12/23	West Virginia	Turf	W 41-39	3	34	11.33	0
10/21/23	3 Texas	Turf	L 24-31	7	88	12.57	2
10/28/23	@ 18 Kansas St.	Turf	L 0-41	3	6	2.00	0
11/04/23	@ Baylor	Turf	W 25-24	1	15	15.00	0
11/11/23	Cincinnati	Turf	L 14-24	Did not play
11/18/23	16 Oklahoma St.	Turf	L 30-43	Did not play
11/25/23	@ UCF	Grass	L 13-27	Did not play

2024

08/31/24	Colorado St.	Turf	W 52-0	3	50	16.67	2
09/07/24	@ Michigan	Turf	W 31-12	6	41	6.83	1
09/14/24	UTSA	Turf	W 56-7	3	34	11.33	0
09/21/24	La.-Monroe	Turf	W 51-3	1	46	46.00	0
09/28/24	Mississippi St.	Turf	W 35-13	5	52	10.40	0
10/12/24	+ Oklahoma	Grass	W 34-3	1	23	23.00	0
10/19/24	6 Georgia	Turf	L 15-30	3	77	25.67	0
10/26/24	@ Vanderbilt	Turf	W 27-24	2	9	4.50	1
11/09/24	Florida	Turf	W 49-17	3	64	21.33	2
11/16/24	@ Arkansas	Turf	W 20-10	2	21	10.50	2
11/23/24	Kentucky	Turf	W 31-14	7	86	12.29	0
11/30/24	@ Texas A&M	Grass	W 17-7	3	73	24.33	0
12/07/24	+ 6 Georgia	Turf	L 19-22	8	162	20.25	0
12/21/24	14 Clemson	Turf	W 38-24	2	49	24.50	0
01/01/25	+ 7 Arizona St.	Turf	W 39-31	7	149	21.29	1
01/10/25	+ 1 Ohio St.	Turf	L 14-28	2	51	25.50	0

Tet...2023

09/02/23	Northern Ariz.	Turf	W 38-3	3	65	21.67	1
09/09/23	@ Mississippi St.	Grass	L 24-31	8	161	20.13	1
09/16/23	UTEP	Turf	W 31-10	6	89	14.83	1
09/23/23	@ Stanford	Grass	W 21-20	4	26	6.50	0
09/30/23	2 Washington	Turf	L 24-31	6	45	7.50	2
10/07/23	@ Southern California	Grass	L 41-43	6	138	23.00	0
10/14/23	@ Washington St.	Turf	W 44-6	7	68	9.71	0
10/28/23	Oregon St.	Turf	W 27-24	8	80	10.00	1
11/04/23	UCLA	Turf	W 27-10	4	81	20.25	1
11/11/23	@ Colorado	Grass	W 34-31	9	107	11.89	1
11/18/23	Utah	Turf	W 42-18	8	116	14.50	1
11/25/23	@ Arizona St.	Grass	W 59-23	11	266	24.18	1
12/28/23	+ 15 Oklahoma	Turf	W 38-24	10	160	16.00	0

2024

08/31/24	New Mexico	Turf	W 61-39	10	304	30.40	4
09/07/24	Northern Ariz.	Turf	W 22-10	2	11	5.50	0
09/13/24	@ Kansas St.	Turf	L 7-31	11	138	12.55	0
09/28/24	@ Utah	Turf	W 23-10	6	50	8.33	0
10/05/24	Texas Tech	Turf	L 22-28	8	161	20.13	0
10/12/24	@ 13 Brigham Young	Grass	L 19-41	5	78	15.60	0
10/19/24	25 Colorado	Turf	L 7-34	5	38	7.60	0
10/26/24	West Virginia	Turf	L 26-31	10	202	20.20	1
11/02/24	@ UCF	Grass	L 12-56	6	84	14.00	1
11/15/24	Houston	Turf	W 27-3	6	70	11.67	1
11/23/24	@ TCU	Grass	L 28-49	9	115	12.78	0
11/30/24	7 Arizona St.	Turf	L 7-49	6	68	11.33	1

I am not a fan of big slow receivers who are not big and strong. Tet is basically a tight end. He is not real strong so I question if he can get off of NFL press coverage. Golden is fast and is a pure route runner that translates to an NFL offense.

 

[stilltheguru]

The Pac 12 and Big 12 are not quality competition?
Tet was the only weapon Az had, and he faced content double teams' week after week and was the key read for every defense.

Let's compare the last two seasons between Golden and Tet...

Golden...2023

09/02/23	UTSA	Turf	W 17-14	4	36	9.00	1
09/09/23	@ Rice	Turf	L 41-43	5	60	12.00	2
09/16/23	TCU	Turf	L 13-36	4	56	14.00	0
09/23/23	Sam Houston St.	Turf	W 38-7	9	92	10.22	1
09/30/23	@ Texas Tech	Turf	L 28-49	2	17	8.50	0
10/12/23	West Virginia	Turf	W 41-39	3	34	11.33	0
10/21/23	3 Texas	Turf	L 24-31	7	88	12.57	2
10/28/23	@ 18 Kansas St.	Turf	L 0-41	3	6	2.00	0
11/04/23	@ Baylor	Turf	W 25-24	1	15	15.00	0
11/11/23	Cincinnati	Turf	L 14-24	Did not play
11/18/23	16 Oklahoma St.	Turf	L 30-43	Did not play
11/25/23	@ UCF	Grass	L 13-27	Did not play

2024

08/31/24	Colorado St.	Turf	W 52-0	3	50	16.67	2
09/07/24	@ Michigan	Turf	W 31-12	6	41	6.83	1
09/14/24	UTSA	Turf	W 56-7	3	34	11.33	0
09/21/24	La.-Monroe	Turf	W 51-3	1	46	46.00	0
09/28/24	Mississippi St.	Turf	W 35-13	5	52	10.40	0
10/12/24	+ Oklahoma	Grass	W 34-3	1	23	23.00	0
10/19/24	6 Georgia	Turf	L 15-30	3	77	25.67	0
10/26/24	@ Vanderbilt	Turf	W 27-24	2	9	4.50	1
11/09/24	Florida	Turf	W 49-17	3	64	21.33	2
11/16/24	@ Arkansas	Turf	W 20-10	2	21	10.50	2
11/23/24	Kentucky	Turf	W 31-14	7	86	12.29	0
11/30/24	@ Texas A&M	Grass	W 17-7	3	73	24.33	0
12/07/24	+ 6 Georgia	Turf	L 19-22	8	162	20.25	0
12/21/24	14 Clemson	Turf	W 38-24	2	49	24.50	0
01/01/25	+ 7 Arizona St.	Turf	W 39-31	7	149	21.29	1
01/10/25	+ 1 Ohio St.	Turf	L 14-28	2	51	25.50	0

Tet...2023

09/02/23	Northern Ariz.	Turf	W 38-3	3	65	21.67	1
09/09/23	@ Mississippi St.	Grass	L 24-31	8	161	20.13	1
09/16/23	UTEP	Turf	W 31-10	6	89	14.83	1
09/23/23	@ Stanford	Grass	W 21-20	4	26	6.50	0
09/30/23	2 Washington	Turf	L 24-31	6	45	7.50	2
10/07/23	@ Southern California	Grass	L 41-43	6	138	23.00	0
10/14/23	@ Washington St.	Turf	W 44-6	7	68	9.71	0
10/28/23	Oregon St.	Turf	W 27-24	8	80	10.00	1
11/04/23	UCLA	Turf	W 27-10	4	81	20.25	1
11/11/23	@ Colorado	Grass	W 34-31	9	107	11.89	1
11/18/23	Utah	Turf	W 42-18	8	116	14.50	1
11/25/23	@ Arizona St.	Grass	W 59-23	11	266	24.18	1
12/28/23	+ 15 Oklahoma	Turf	W 38-24	10	160	16.00	0

2024

08/31/24	New Mexico	Turf	W 61-39	10	304	30.40	4
09/07/24	Northern Ariz.	Turf	W 22-10	2	11	5.50	0
09/13/24	@ Kansas St.	Turf	L 7-31	11	138	12.55	0
09/28/24	@ Utah	Turf	W 23-10	6	50	8.33	0
10/05/24	Texas Tech	Turf	L 22-28	8	161	20.13	0
10/12/24	@ 13 Brigham Young	Grass	L 19-41	5	78	15.60	0
10/19/24	25 Colorado	Turf	L 7-34	5	38	7.60	0
10/26/24	West Virginia	Turf	L 26-31	10	202	20.20	1
11/02/24	@ UCF	Grass	L 12-56	6	84	14.00	1
11/15/24	Houston	Turf	W 27-3	6	70	11.67	1
11/23/24	@ TCU	Grass	L 28-49	9	115	12.78	0
11/30/24	7 Arizona St.	Turf	L 7-49	6	68	11.33	1

Name the dbs not the actual teams lol. What dbs did he give good work to? And don't say Travis hunter because he didn't win that matchup

 

[Pass2Run]

I've dropped McMillan from a non-priority free agent to a camp invite sent by snail mail.

Of course you have.

 

[TasteMyScythe]

I am not a fan of big slow receivers who are not big and strong. Tet is basically a tight end. He is not real strong so I question if he can get off of NFL press coverage. Golden is fast and is a pure route runner that translates to an NFL offense.

Getting off of press is not about how strong you are, it's about technique. It's about stance and balance, aggressive hands and quick feet. Being able to read the DB. There is a lot to running routes than just running them. There are several techniques WR's us and Tet is pretty good at it. There is actual video of scouting reports on Tet beating press.
We can go back and forth all night about this stuff, but let's just agree to disagree.

 

[TasteMyScythe]

Name the dbs not the actual teams lol. What dbs did he give good work to? And don't say Travis hunter because he didn't win that matchup

You can spend the time to look up the actual DB's.