My Mock 2 Draft, this one with trades, cowboyjoe

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Looking over some top draft websites, I think that by the time we draft, most of the top players will be gone. So, with this draft I am trading down, getting a few extra picks to fill needs. Possibly trading some of those picks for future picks like the Patriots do.

Now, lets look at the past 3-4 drafts. Most of the time after the 24th to 26th pick in the draft in the first round, talent level drops off. Then, you have a second level of players that you have to evaluate. So, we need to keep that in mind for our drafting in first round

We make a trade with tampa bay for their 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder and their 5th rounder and 7th for our first rounder.

2nd (tampa bay's pick0 we take Valdimir Ducasse. Or OG Mike Iupati I have started to sour on Iupati, because watching him in a bowl game, he grabs too much, and holds to much, leaving me weary of him. Just go back and look at film of him, too much holding and leaning forward losing his balance.

Vladimir Ducasse 6-5 330; Birthdate:
10/15/1987
Feature Stories
•Boston Globe - For Ducasse, Destiny Leads To NFL Draft
•Springfield Republican - Ducasse Top NFL Prospect

On Ducasse: Preseason First-Team All-American and Preseason All-CAA selection at left tackle ... Being looked at as an NFL Draft selection in 2010 ... Incredibly hard-working player ... Comes to work every day with a purpose to get better individually to make the overall team better according to Coach Morris ... Has improved to become an offensive leader ... A high-level player with a big upside ... True senior, playing as a freshman and starting his final three seasons ... Can also play guard, where he played early in his career ... Was the team's top offensive line recruit in 2006 ... A large offensive lineman and great athlete ... Has done extensive work with Offensive Coordinator Brian Picucci to improve his game and has reached that next level.

As a senior in 2009: Game-by-Game Statistics
• Senior captain left tackle, viewed as an NFL prospect.
• 2009 Consensus Preseason First-Team All-American.
• Senior captain left tackle, viewed as an NFL prospect.
• 2009 Preseason All-CAA pick by Coaches and Phil Steele.
• In his 35 career starts, UMass has had a 100-yard rusher in 23 of those games. In his 35 games, UMass has allowed just 39 sacks.
• UMass allowed 17 sacks (1.4 per game), 38th in the NCAA, 3rd in CAA.
• UMass had a 100-yard rusher in seven games this season (five by Tony Nelson and two by Jonathan Hernandez).
• Offense has gained more than 470 yards in three of last five games including a season-high 500 vs. Stony Brook (9/26).


With our 2nd rounder we take take bradon spikes Florida at inside linebacker born 9/3/87 in Shelby, NC. 6-3 246 with 4.68 in 40.

Florida MLB Brandon Spikes has been suspended for the first half of Saturday's game against Vanderbilt after he apparently attempted to gouge the eyes of a Georgia player in last week’s game. - 11.02.09 -
SCOUT'S TAKE
Skinny: Spikes possesses good size and range for an inside linebacker, and has the ability to go sideline to sideline to make a play. Spikes has a great football IQ—he has the ability to diagnose plays, anticipate where the ball is going, and takes great angles when pursing the ball carrier. He is not great in coverage, but can do it if he is asked to. The leader of the tenacious Gator defense is back after making a tough decision to return. He comes back to a Gator defense that will have all 11 starters returning. He was a sure-fire first day draft pick had he entered the draft, but decided to come back to school, earn his degree, and attempt to win back-to-back National Championships. Spikes is the complete package and may be the most NFL-ready linebacker in college football. His size is prototypical for a linebacker and he uses his strength, speed, power, and quickness to dominate his opponents. He accumulated 93 tackles, eight for loss, two sacks, two pass deflections, and four interceptions in 2008. His 2007 stats were outstanding as well: 131 tackles, 16 for loss, 1.5 sacks, one forced fumble, three fumble recoveries, and seven pass deflections. After two monster seasons under his belt to go along with a National Championship, look for Spikes to end his college career with a bang and put up more phenomenal numbers in 2009.

Stock: Spikes had a better season in his sophomore year than he did last year, but he’s a productive player who can make game changing plays at the middle linebacker spot. That’s a hard-to-find quality, which is why Spikes will be drafted early if he keeps playing up to his potential.


With Tampa Bay 3rd rounder we take Kyle Wilson. We use one of Tampa Bays picks in 4th round to move back up and take Kyle Wilson CB.
22. Kyle Wilson
School: Boise State
Position: CB
Year: Senior
Hometown: Piscataway, NJ
Height: 5100
Weight: 190
40 T: 4.41 Audio Interview -- Player Spotlight (11.20.09) -- LISTEN
01.31.10 - Kyle Wilson (Boise St.) – Was the big riser and the hot prospect during the Senior Bowl practices. Had a few nice plays on the ball, but nothing outstanding. Could be the victim of seriously raised expectations. Noticably dropped an easy interception. Not sure he’s a first round talent. – Atlanta Journal Constitution
01.30.10 - Wilson, known for his intense competitive streak, has been working out in Orlando, Fla., with several other draft prospects. Among them is former Florida State cornerback Patrick Robinson - and word at the Senior Bowl is that Wilson tries to beat Robinson at everything, including stretching. Said Wilson: "I'm always looking to do more. I'm really just looking to finish strong, to put together another solid game and make as many plays as possible out there." Before this week, ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. didn't even have Wilson listed among the top five cornerbacks available. – Idaho Statesman
Senior Bowl: Boise State cornerback Kyle Wilson was clearly the best defender on the NORTH roster today... his straight-line speed is evident, but his smooth footwork in the drills and solid ball skills really helped boost his stock today... he is said to be clocking at near sub-4.3 40-times in pre-combine workouts so he could jump into the back end of the first-round with a few more solid practices and 40-times like that next month... will remind some of former Connecticut cornerback Darius Butler who flashed a similar skill set a year ago at this game and was then taken #41 overall (2nd round) by the New England Patriots. – January 25, 2010
Quick Hit: Last season Wilson was named first-team All-WAC cornerback and second-team all-conference punt returner. He lead the team with five interceptions, 10 pass breakups and 15 passes defended, to go along with 35 total tackles and five tackles for loss. He had 33 punt returns, good for 470 yards and three touchdowns. Wilson is 5’10, 184 and runs in the 4.4-range. He excels in both man-to-man and zone coverage and when he get his hands on the ball can make plays. He isn’t just a cover cornerback but will come up and support the run. Entering his senior campaign, Wilson holds a third-to-fourth round grade.


With our 3rd round draft pick value has dropped down again, we trade down again, with Oakland, for their 3rd, 4th and 7th, with raiders 3rd rounder we take OT Jason Fox. If Jason Fox is gone. We take Jared Veldheer,
45. Jason Fox
School: Miami
Position: OT
Class: 2010 Big Board
Year: Senior
Hometown: Fort Worth, TX
Height: 6060
Weight: 305
40 T: 5.20
Projection: 3rd Round


SCOUT'S TAKE
Skinny: The massive frame that Jason Fox has is the platform for an athlete that has become a leader at the University of Miami. He is a well-conditioned player that can be counted on to get the job done everyday. Fox is a natural leader that has demonstrated his flexibility by pancaking opponents from both the left and the right side of the line. During both his freshman and junior seasons, he did not allow a single sack. Fox graded out at a 96 percent over his sophomore campaign and solidified himself as the captain of the offensive line.
12.19.09 - University of Miami senior left tackle Jason Fox will miss the Champs Sports Bowl against Wisconsin on Dec. 29th in Orlando, coach Randy Shannon announced Saturday. Fox is listed as having a "lower extremity" injury that required surgery. He was seen Saturday morning on the sideline at practice with a large black brace over his left leg and knee. "We have really appreciated all of Jason's efforts this season as well as throughout his career," Shannon said. "He's had some nagging injuries this season, and has played through the pain to the point where we as a coaching staff and athletic training staff feel like it would be best for him to not play in the bowl game. Jason has a bright future ahead in football and he needs to be 100 percent going forward." - Miami Herald
VITALS
Medical Examiner: Fox is a warrior and has only missed one game during his tenure at The U. He has been a starter and player in 36 games for the Hurricanes and his medical record speaks volumes about his conditioning and commitment.


We take Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale, 6-8, 311, OT
Started every game of his career, and hasn't allowed a sack from his left tackle position. He has blocked for a 1,000-yard rusher in each of his first three seasons. 2008 All-American. Rated as the No. 4-ranked pro prospect by D2football.com. Named a 2009 Division II Preseason All-American by The Sporting News. Heavily scouted by the NFL throughout the season. 40-yard - 4.8 seconds, 29.6-inch vertical leap, max bench press - 415 lbs, hang clean - 425, Bench-pressed 225 lbs. 32 times.


With our Raiders 4th rounder we take Jacoby Ford WR, punt kickoff returner
85. Jacoby Ford Shool: Clemson Position: WR

Class: 2010 Big Board
Year: Senior
Hometown: West Palm Beach, FL
Height: 5086
Weight: 181
40 T: 4.35
Projection: 3rd Round

Audio Interview -- Player Spotlight (01.30.10) -- LISTEN
Audio Interview -- Player Spotlight (11.20.09) -- LISTEN
SCOUT'S TAKE
Skinny: Ford is not a big guy, standing at only 5-9 182 pounds but boy is he quick. Once he gets the ball into his hands he can make people miss and then take it to the end zone. Last season he scored four touchdowns on 55 catches which was second on the team and end up with 710 receiving yards. Because of his size he does a good job and needs to getting in and out of his breaks is a good route runner and is a dangerous when he gets his hands on the ball. He also can help in the return game.

Stock: Ford is never going to be a number one receiver in the NFL, but can be a very productive guy and help you on special teams, right now he has a fourth round grade.
Our View: Ford doesn’t have great size at only 5-9 182 pounds but he is a fast and explosive receiver. To go along with his blazing straight line speed he has the quickness to go with it and show that when either he has the ball in his hands or when he is running routes. He also averaged 32.8 yards per kickoff return. Because of the lack of his size some teams are only going to be looking at him as a slot receiver and a return man to start out with, but could turn into more like what Steve Smith of Carolina did when he first come into the NFL.



With tampa bays 5th rounder we take Larry Asante. If we dont take Larry Asante we take Robert Johnson, FS, Utah, 6'2", 200.
197. Larry Asante

School: Nebraska
Position: SS
Class: 2010 Big Board
Year: Senior
Hometown: Alexandria, VA
Date of Birth: 03.07.88
Height: 5117
Weight: 211
40 T: 4.55
Projection: 6th Round
Skinny: Senior Larry Asante returns for his final season with Nebraska as one of the most experienced players on the Huskers’ 2009 roster. Asante has held down the starting role at strong safety for each of the past two seasons and is expected to continue in that role while leading the Husker secondary in 2009. The 6-1, 215-pound Asante was a key component in one of the nation’s most improved defenses in 2008. He has the all-around ability to be a difference-maker in both pass defense and run support. Asante’s play has earned him honorable-mention All-Big 12 honors each of the past two seasons. The Virginia native arrived at Nebraska in January of 2007 after two seasons at Coffeyville (Kan.) Community College, the same school that produced 1983 Heisman Trophy winner Mike Rozier. Asante is on track to earn his degree in economics this December.

Or Robert Johnson
87. Robert Johnson
School: Utah
Position: FS
Class: 2010 Big Board
Year: Senior
Hometown: Los Angeles, CA
Date of Birth: 02.13.87
Height: 6021
Weight: 236
40 T: 4.52
Projection: 4th round 10.12.09 - Robert Johnson registered five tackles, three interceptions and a pass breakup to lead Utah’s defensive effort in a 24-17 come-from-behind win at Colorado State. With the Utes trailing, 17-10, late in the third quarter, the Los Angeles, Calif., native, picked off passes on three consecutive series, with the first two interceptions leading to touchdowns that put Utah on top, 24-17. At the 4:17 mark of the third quarter, the junior free safety intercepted a pass at the Utah 27-yard line. The Utes would go on to tie the game at 17-17 on the subsequent drive. CSU got the ball back with 9:19 left in the fourth quarter, when Johnson registered his second interception, this time at the Utah 25-yard line. The Utes scored on the ensuing drive to take the lead, 24-17. CSU got the ball back with 3:35 left in the game. With the Rams on the Utah 44-yard line after going 36 yards on their first two plays, Johnson picked off a pass at the Utah 29-yard line, returning the ball 42 yards and giving Utah the ball back with 2:20 left. The Utes ran out the clock to end the game.


With our 6th rounder we take Leigh Tiffin kicker or Hunter Lawrence If we dont go kicker here, and stand pat with our kicker connor hughes, we take TE/FB GRAHAM Garrett
442. Leigh Tiffin
School: Alabama
Position: K
Class: 2010 Big Board
Year: Senior
Hometown: Muscle Shoals, AL
Height: 6001
Weight: 198
Projection: 7th round

468. Hunter Lawrence
School: Texas
Position: K
Class: 2010 Big Board
Year: Senior
Hometown: Boerne, TX
Height: 5106
Weight: 184
40 T: 4.90
Projection: PFA


With Oaklands 7th rounder we take Clifton Geathers De
113. Clifton Geathers*
School: South Carolina
Position: DE
Class: 2010 Big Board
Year: Junior
Hometown: Georgetown, SC
Height: 6080
Weight: 280

01.15.10 - As first reported by the NFL Draft Bible, South Carolina junior Clifton Geathers has decided to enter the 2010 NFL Draft. Steve Spurrier said Thursday that the junior defensive end watched his brother, Robert, get drafted by Cincinnati in the fourth round. Things have worked out for Geathers, a starting linebacker for the Bengals. Spurrier urges players that aren't first- or second-round projections to return to school. "Oh, he knows all that," said Spurrier, who last spoke with Geathers two days ago. "I still think he should've stayed. But if he's gone, he's gone."
01.12.10 - South Carolina defensive end Clifton Geathers appears to be on the verge of following his father, uncle and brother into the family business. Geathers, a former star at Carvers Bay, told USC coaches Monday he was leaning toward forgoing his senior season and entering the NFL draft, according to sources. Geathers is said to be concerned about the risk of injury if he plays his final college season. The NCAA sponsors a catastrophic injury insurance program available to players who are projected to be drafted in the first three rounds. A source said the NFL's underclassmen advisory committee projected Geathers as no higher than a fourth-round pick. The 6-foot-8, 281-pound Geathers was suspended for the season opener after he was arrested following a brawl outside a Vista nightclub in August. He came on strong at the end of the season, finishing with 41 tackles and 3.5 sacks. – The Sun News
Skinny: Junior defensive end who is listed as the starter opposite Cliff Matthews... has gained a significant amount of experience, seeing action in 24 of the 25 games over the past two seasons... has excellent size and athletic ability at 6-8 and 281 pounds... powerful athlete with long arms and good reach... comes from a tremendous family tree of football standouts... has made one career start.

With Tampa Bays 7th rounder we will take Erik Cook, C, New Mexico, 6'6", 315


410. Erik Cook
School: New Mexico
Position: C
Class: 2010 Big Board
Year: Senior
Hometown: Albuquerque, NM
Date of Birth: 07.05.87
Height: 6054
Weight: 320
40 T: 5.35
Projection: PFA

With our 7th rounder we take Kelton Tindal, Newberry-
271. Kelton Tindal
School: Newberry
Position: WR
Class: 2010 Big Board
Year: Senior
Hometown: Sumter, SC
Date of Birth: 10.07.87
Height: 6021
Weight: 189
40 T: 4.23
Projection: 6th Round

Are you looking for the fastest man at the NFL Scouting Combine? Tindal could be the one as he reportedly ran in the 4.2-4.3 range, with clocks as low as 4.22, as his junior pro day while measuring in at 6’2, 189 pounds. He caught 39 passes for 745 yards and 6 touchdowns while rushing for two touchdowns as well. He needs to bulk up and is considered a pure linear threat at this point but has potential. Keep tabs on this name. This is one of my pet cats.

Below is some of my pet cats and possible free agent type players to sign after the draft.

Danny Batten, South Dakota State- Batten (6’3, 252, 4.61) has interesting measurables as he brings great speed but lacks the size that scouts look for during the draft. He will have to bulk up but shows promise due to his ability to drop into coverage, get to the quarterback, and make plays. He is limited athletically but has a high motor to make up for it. Over the last two years he has produced 26.5 tackles for loss and 12.5 sacks.

Kelvin Rodgers, Minnesota State Mankato- Rodgers will need to bulk up (6’0, 177) but has good speed (4.38-4.40) and has been very productive on two sides of the ball. He was named an All-American return specialist (2 KR TDs, 2 PR TDs) and very productive in the secondary with three picks and five breakups. His athletic ability also shows off the field as he won the NCC Indoor Track and Field Long Jump and placed 5th in the 60-meter dash. Kelvin Rodgers, Minnesota State, 6-0, 170, CB
All-American Finished the 2008 campaign with 1,135 all-purpose yards. an average of 103.2 yards per game, returned 31 kicks for 841 yards and two touchdowns and fielded 15 punts for 239 yards and two touchdowns. In addition, he gathered three interceptions and returned one for a touchdown while serving as a cornerback .Finished third at the NCAA Division II National Indoor Track and Field Championships in the long jump with a leap of 24’2 ¼” in '07.


Andre’ Roberts, The Citadel- Roberts is not only a star wideout but one of the best return men in college football. He finished with 24 punts returns for 461 yards and three scores, averaging 19.2 per turn while returning two kickoffs for 31 yards as a junior. He has the potential to score anytime he touches the ball and is one of the most dynamic return men in recent FCS history.

Jerome Messam, Graceland, 6-4 245, RB
Big bruising back with excellent speed for his size. From Brampton ON and transfer from ND State School of Science. Not used enough as a receiver to gage his effectiveness, but no doubt he can bust the line as a back. '09 Stats: 197 carries, 1075 yds, 5.5 avg, 12 TDS.
 

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I appreciate the effort but one of the reason I despise trades in mocks is typically because the fans over value their own picks or players. Your price for Tampa to move up 8 spots into the first round is way too high. We can get the 2nd rounder but your not also going to get the 3rd round pick, 5th and 7th. More realistically and history speaks of this the trade would more be like the Bucs 2nd round pick, then either a 4th (in lesser cases) or a 5th rounder which is much more common and then probably a 6th or 7th.

I do like the selections but it's probably a pipe dream to believe Kyle Wilson will still be avaliable in the 3rd round.

The again in the 3rd round you greatly over value that pick. Trading down into the 3rd and getting a 3rd is not the problem but your not also going to get a 4th round and a 7th. Again history shows you might be able to walk out of that with the 3rd and maybe a 5th if the other team is feeling generous but a 3rd and 6th is much more likely.

My only other problem with this draft is that you creating just the opposite problem that really exists. The depth in this draft is pretty strong in the top 3 rounds but more then anything it's strong deep into the 2nd round. I would be real careful trading down for the wrong reasons.
 

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oakland picks ahead of us so how do we trade down with them? im confused

i also dont think wilson lasts to the 3rd but you have us taking him at the top of the 3rd so i guess it isnt unfathomable. also dont think spikes last till #59, nor fox lasting but in the 3rd im willing to take on the project in veldheer
 

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SDogo;3272754 said:
I appreciate the effort but one of the reason I despise trades in mocks is typically because the fans over value their own picks or players. Your price for Tampa to move up 8 spots into the first round is way too high. We can get the 2nd rounder but your not also going to get the 3rd round pick, 5th and 7th. More realistically and history speaks of this the trade would more be like the Bucs 2nd round pick, then either a 4th (in lesser cases) or a 5th rounder which is much more common and then probably a 6th or 7th.

I do like the selections but it's probably a pipe dream to believe Kyle Wilson will still be avaliable in the 3rd round.

The again in the 3rd round you greatly over value that pick. Trading down into the 3rd and getting a 3rd is not the problem but your not also going to get a 4th round and a 7th. Again history shows you might be able to walk out of that with the 3rd and maybe a 5th if the other team is feeling generous but a 3rd and 6th is much more likely.

My only other problem with this draft is that you creating just the opposite problem that really exists. The depth in this draft is pretty strong in the top 3 rounds but more then anything it's strong deep into the 2nd round. I would be real careful trading down for the wrong reasons.

I traded a 4th rounder to move back up to get kyle wilson, my main thing was to get ammunition in draft picks to trade up or down to make such moves to get some key players that we need. And we might if we do make some trades, we might trade some for future picks like the patriots do, so im just speculating.



I understand what your saying, and again i did this primarly on trading to fill needs. I did do some research on some trades we made and some other teams, you can get that kind of value depending if the other team is desperate enough to get a player they are high on.

Granted, like you said, we wouldnt get 3 draft picks for one, most likely 2, but some trades were made in the past for that value.

Granted with Jerry Jones doing the trading, he is easily buffaloed into giving to much up or not getting enough in trade value, so to a degree your right.
 

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rkell87;3272760 said:
oakland picks ahead of us so how do we trade down with them? im confused

i also dont think wilson lasts to the 3rd but you have us taking him at the top of the 3rd so i guess it isnt unfathomable. also dont think spikes last till #59, nor fox lasting but in the 3rd im willing to take on the project in veldheer

Sorry, I forgot to put the pick that we have with one of tampa bays pick, we trade down just a few spots with oakland to get oaklands picks.

I used an extra 4th rounder we had to move up high in that round to get kyle wilson, if he is there.

I think fox will be in the 3rd or 4th round due to his knee injury and irregular heart beat, most teams dont take chances on players that have had injuries or hearbeat problem till late in the 3rd round or the 4th round.
 

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Lots of effort so Im not going to shoot you down but thats just way to much... It wouldnt surprise me to see Jerry do some wheeling and dealing but like one of the previous posters stated, your over-valuing our current picks.
 
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