CFZ Nevermind the offense. Eager to see if our defense can respond to Chargers

[VaqueroTD]

I know Dak and the Offense are getting all the attention, and probably deservedly so, but I am more worried about our defense.

The ENTIRE reason Coach Mac installed a new offensive system and made the offense more conservative, was because the coaches believed the Defense could be dominant and win. Play turnover-free ball, settle for FGs and run plays more often, easier route options, and let the defense win with turnovers. And some of our first games, it looked like they were right. The same guys in the media saying the Cowboys are soft now were saying they were the number one NFL team not too long ago because of the defensive dominance, in particular with turnovers, and the offense moving the ball down the field, but admittedly struggling in the red zone..

But those victories are looking like we played some of the worst offenses in the NFL, namely the New York Giants and the New England Patriots. If you give any credit to their ratings, PFF even has them as the worst graded offensive lines in the NFL. Jets are a good team as proven by yesterday’s win, but we were lucky to play them the first game with their back up QB in action, and he was arguably the worst starting quarterback in the NFL last year.

Cleveland was tied with the Cowboys as the best team in Defense. I posted some team stats here not long ago and they were tied with us on everything. They were just struggling with their new ’franchise’ QB. That defense came to play against San Fran yesterday. Ours decided to roll over, EVEN knowing this was the most important regular season matchup to determine their Playoff future. You saw Coach Mac with a little bit of panic in the press conferences talking about this and how the team was built on defense. SF is one of the best ranked offenses in the NFL, Cardinals before last week were in top 1/3. Chargers are there too, So eager to see if this defense is for real or just a group that only looks good when they have the lead and can bring out the pass rushers.

 

[baltcowboy]

The Cowboys offense/defense works hand and hand. The defense needs to get off the field on 3rd downs and cause turnovers. The offense needs to shorten the game and control the clock. When we do this we win. In the loses the defense got shredded and the offense could not control the game.

 

[John813]

Don't get me wrong, the defense didn't do well last week, but the TOP was once again a factor in the defense failing in the 2nd half.
Going into the half, down 7-21, the defense was on the field for over 19 minutes. Sure, not getting stops on 3rd is on the defense, but there's a responsibility by the offense to sustain drives. The final TOP was 22:55 vs 37.05.

The defense was built to play with a lead and pass rush, not having to worry all 3 downs if it's a run play. They are more of a finesse defense that excels with speed than brawn and grit. Something the 49ers can chip away at, especially when they have the lead for most of the games.
With a lineup of McCaffery, Deebo and Mason, the 49ers have 3 guys that are hard to bring down, 2 of the 3 being of the power variety.

Ekeler is a very good back, dual threat guy. So, they will have their hands full tonight if the chargers can be 2 dimensional.

 

[The Natural]

If Dan Quinn gets punked by Kellen we need to have a conversation .

 

[VaqueroTD]

Don’t disagree they are depending on the offensive TOP but remember our record without the lead. SF had a nice drive down the field first series and put 7 points on the board quickly. 3 and outs won’t help anyone but defense folded against the Cards too. They now play a high caliber QB and a successful run game. Let’s see how they do because you can’t bank on going to the Playoffs and facing NYG, NYJ and PATS offenses and lines.

 

[CCBoy]

Don’t disagree they are depending on the offensive TOP but remember our record without the lead. SF had a nice drive down the field first series and put 7 points on the board quickly. 3 and outs won’t help anyone but defense folded against the Cards too. They now play a high caliber QB and a successful run game. Let’s see how they do because you can’t bank on going to the Playoffs and facing NYG, NYJ and PATS offenses and lines.

San Diego is presently very good in Red Zone, where Moore missed some at Dallas.

 

[John813]

Don’t disagree they are depending on the offensive TOP but remember our record without the lead. SF had a nice drive down the field first series and put 7 points on the board quickly. 3 and outs won’t help anyone but defense folded against the Cards too. They now play a high caliber QB and a successful run game. Let’s see how they do because you can’t bank on going to the Playoffs and facing NYG, NYJ and PATS offenses and lines.

For sure. There's some question marks on the defense, where in 2 of the 5 games so far they looked bad. 49ers I can get, the Cardinals is still a question mark to me. It was like they ate the cheese a few weeks into the week and didn't bother showing up.
Just felt like the 49ers game both sides came in meek or over thinking everything.

They've had issues at times stopping the run at times and the F.O. gameplan was to draft a raw 1 tech that can't even see the field 1/3rd of the snaps. They need to improve the linebacker position. Need some dawgs there, and I'm not talking about UGA prospects. The factor in the 49ers game was largely the play of both teams linebackers. You can have a prime Wilfork at nose, but it won't do a thing vs outside runs if the linebackers can be cancelled out by themselves or a WR blocking them.
Not to mention, the weakside contain on the outside runs isn't there with Parsons as it is with Law on the other side.

IMO there's not a big difference between solid and good linebackers. It's that elite LB like Wagner, Warner, or going back a few years with Willis, Luke K etc... 49ers even got a very good one in Greenlaw.
Dallas has LVE who is overall solid but is terrible shedding blocks and then Clark who is just lost out there.

 

[VaqueroTD]

For sure. There's some question marks on the defense, where in 2 of the 5 games so far they looked bad. 49ers I can get, the Cardinals is still a question mark to me. It was like they ate the cheese a few weeks into the week and didn't bother showing up.
Just felt like the 49ers game both sides came in meek or over thinking everything.

They've had issues at times stopping the run at times and the F.O. gameplan was to draft a raw 1 tech that can't even see the field 1/3rd of the snaps. They need to improve the linebacker position. Need some dawgs there, and I'm not talking about UGA prospects. The factor in the 49ers game was largely the play of both teams linebackers. You can have a prime Wilfork at nose, but it won't do a thing vs outside runs if the linebackers can be cancelled out by themselves or a WR blocking them.
Not to mention, the weakside contain on the outside runs isn't there with Parsons as it is with Law on the other side.

IMO there's not a big difference between solid and good linebackers. It's that elite LB like Wagner, Warner, or going back a few years with Willis, Luke K etc... 49ers even got a very good one in Greenlaw.
Dallas has LVE who is overall solid but is terrible shedding blocks and then Clark who is just lost out there.

And even worse because LVE isn’t playing. LOL. Going by memory here, but in that midseason rush defense slump last year, I believe we were missing both Hankins and LVE. He may no longer be the world beater with his injuries, but LVE was also critical on lining up the Defense, because as you say, Clark seems to struggle on that. And of course we don’t have Overshown who I think the Cowboys were really counting on after giving up on Cox. If the Defense can’t figure it out tonight, season may be over, because I don’t have much faith that the offense will figure it out. Biggest thing going for them is that starting Oline back again.

 

[CCBoy]

https://bleacherreport.com/dallas-cowboys

3 of the top 10 rushers are Cowboys:



Benjamin Solak

@BenjaminSolak

Top-20 pass rushers by pressure rate.
1) sick to see Bryce Huff continue to shred at high volume
2) the DaQuan Jones loss is so huge in Buffalo
3) Cowboys with three of the top 10
4) Ravens just waving a wand and making Van Noy and Clowney good again: obnoxious!
5) Chase Young!




11:26 PM · Oct 15, 2023

 

[StarBoyz83]

Eager to see the defense also. But if the offense is meh again against a terrible defense well then.

 

[Jake]

San Diego is presently very good in Red Zone, where Moore missed some at Dallas.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post but the Cowboys led the league in red zone TD percentage last season.

This season they're currently 28th.

 

[CowboyFrog]

It depends i learned last week that the defense will give up 42 points if the offense doesnt play lights out...you know like all the other great defenses this Sunday needed offenses that scored 30 to hold an offense under 40...

 

[blueblood70]

Don't get me wrong, the defense didn't do well last week, but the TOP was once again a factor in the defense failing in the 2nd half.
Going into the half, down 7-21, the defense was on the field for over 19 minutes. Sure, not getting stops on 3rd is on the defense, but there's a responsibility by the offense to sustain drives. The final TOP was 22:55 vs 37.05.

The defense was built to play with a lead and pass rush, not having to worry all 3 downs if it's a run play. They are more of a finesse defense that excels with speed than brawn and grit. Something the 49ers can chip away at, especially when they have the lead for most of the games.
With a lineup of McCaffery, Deebo and Mason, the 49ers have 3 guys that are hard to bring down, 2 of the 3 being of the power variety.

Ekeler is a very good back, dual threat guy. So, they will have their hands full tonight if the chargers can be 2 dimensional.

Seriously that’s what you saw how about you saw a team that gave up 21 points in the first half supposed to be an elite defense is elite defense just don’t give up 21 points and a half then take them out in the second half. Give us a quick points after they sat all have time resting and Arvon came out and how to drive long enough that they were resting more and got three points and then when I do pick up don’t stop down the field it was a scrimmage Seriously that’s what you saw how about you saw a team that gave up 21 points in the first half supposed to be an elite defense is elite defense just don’t give up 21 points and a half then take them out in the second half. Give us a quick points after they sat all have time resting and Arvon came out and how to drive long enough that they were resting more and got three points and then got walked up the fthe field like it was a practice scrimmage

Was the worst part of our game last week was the fence. In the story also back in Arizona for two losses what more to do with the defense penalties and then all fence playcalling in game planning in there but dude stop making excuses for Dequeant they gave up 21 points in the first half. Was the worst part of our game last week was the fence. In the story was so bad in Arizona for two losses what more to do with events penalties and benefits play calling in game planning in there but dude stop making excuses for Dequeant they gave up 21 points in the first half I am again they literally said I have time and rest it came out the other side of old West status three points just knowing that be a 40 yard pass call back because of a penalty very next day to get up another 40 yard pass you’re trying to tell me that because they were tired you tell me this team can’t play 60 minutes of football let alone 21 points in the first half alone but a quick 14 in the second game was over I get what sandwich do you have to have complementary football but the defense at least need to keep you in a game where you feel secure enough that you can make some runs I am again they literally said I have time and rest it came out the other side of old West status three points just knowing that be a 40 yard pass call back because of a penalty very next day to get up another 40 yard pass you’re trying to tell me that because they were tired you tell me this team can’t play 60 minutes of football let alone 21 points in the first half alone but a quick 14 in the second game was over I get what sandwich do you have to have complementary football but the defense at least need to keep you in a game where you feel secure enough that you can make some runs

 

[blueblood70]

Don't get me wrong, the defense didn't do well last week, but the TOP was once again a factor in the defense failing in the 2nd half.
Going into the half, down 7-21, the defense was on the field for over 19 minutes. Sure, not getting stops on 3rd is on the defense, but there's a responsibility by the offense to sustain drives. The final TOP was 22:55 vs 37.05.

The defense was built to play with a lead and pass rush, not having to worry all 3 downs if it's a run play. They are more of a finesse defense that excels with speed than brawn and grit. Something the 49ers can chip away at, especially when they have the lead for most of the games.
With a lineup of McCaffery, Deebo and Mason, the 49ers have 3 guys that are hard to bring down, 2 of the 3 being of the power variety.

Ekeler is a very good back, dual threat guy. So, they will have their hands full tonight if the chargers can be 2 dimensional.

Our defense series one that walked down the field our defense after coming out of her time and are open to holding a decent amount of time and got a field goal came out and got walked on the field again then I get walked on the field give me a 21 points in the first time it’s not with championship defense does. our defense series one that walked down the field our defense after coming out of her time and Aaron opens holding at a decent amount of time and got a field goal came out and got walked on the field again and I did walk down the field give me a 21 points in the first time it’s not with championship defense does

If this defense was built to play with the lead they did a bad job given up the first seven points it was over there right I mean they didn’t play with the lead all game.

I know it complementary football looks like but our defense was outmatched outhustled schemed from the first snap last week had nothing to do with the office yes the office wasn’t good either but no Greg that I never gives up 21 points in the first half of the reason they were no turnovers I happen to not turn the ball over they were built this year to buy a low-scoring game so be conservative and that’s not working out too well in the last two losses does our defense is not making keys stopped at the right times and consistent enough


So while there may be other games we can talk about in the future that we would have to have complementary football but when I opened it doesn’t turn the ball over there trying to play conservative and I deep is Amelia just give up a lot of boys game was over by uptown basically it was truly over after that first seven really over after the second seven given up in the third quarter is over that stupid I don’t care you’re trying to tell me these dudes are tired beatbox should be professional football players so while there may be other games we can talk about in the future that we would have to have complementary football but when I opened it doesn’t turn the ball over there trying to play conservative and I deep is Amelia just give up a lot of boys game was over by uptown basically it was truly over after that first seven really over after the second seven given up in the third quarter is over that stupid I don’t care you’re trying to tell me these dudes are tired beatbox should be professional football players

Yes I do understand that to be in that subject but that was not this game that game they got beat up from the first drive they look like a scrimmage but it was practice like it was our second stringers out there against the first like in practice

 

[Asklesko]

No matter who the Cowboys' opponents lose to, the Cowboys will still be crappy.

 

[Jake]

I know Dak and the Offense are getting all the attention, and probably deservedly so, but I am more worried about our defense.

The ENTIRE reason Coach Mac installed a new offensive system and made the offense more conservative, was because the coaches believed the Defense could be dominant and win. Play turnover-free ball, settle for FGs and run plays more often, easier route options, and let the defense win with turnovers. And some of our first games, it looked like they were right. The same guys in the media saying the Cowboys are soft now were saying they were the number one NFL team not too long ago because of the defensive dominance, in particular with turnovers, and the offense moving the ball down the field, but admittedly struggling in the red zone..

But those victories are looking like we played some of the worst offenses in the NFL, namely the New York Giants and the New England Patriots. If you give any credit to their ratings, PFF even has them as the worst graded offensive lines in the NFL. Jets are a good team as proven by yesterday’s win, but we were lucky to play them the first game with their back up QB in action, and he was arguably the worst starting quarterback in the NFL last year.

Cleveland was tied with the Cowboys as the best team in Defense. I posted some team stats here not long ago and they were tied with us on everything. They were just struggling with their new ’franchise’ QB. That defense came to play against San Fran yesterday. Ours decided to roll over, EVEN knowing this was the most important regular season matchup to determine their Playoff future. You saw Coach Mac with a little bit of panic in the press conferences talking about this and how the team was built on defense. SF is one of the best ranked offenses in the NFL, Cardinals before last week were in top 1/3. Chargers are there too, So eager to see if this defense is for real or just a group that only looks good when they have the lead and can bring out the pass rushers.

The defense missed Diggs more than we wanted to believe, and Gilmore is not the player he used to be. Now LVE is out on top of it.

LA's missing Mike Williams but they get Ekeler back tonight (out since week one). DQ will be tested, trying to use the guys he has available.

If there was ever a time for the offense to pick up it's now.

 

[Cowfan75]

The fact that we are so dependent on the defense, admittedly by the organization itself, tells you everything you need to know about Jerry's complete ineptitude. You got a 40 mil QB out there and we're talking about conservative this and why can't the defense do that. A total joke.

 

[Aven8]

At least for this season when they crap the bed they do it as a team!

 

[JBS]

This is a really good thread

The defense has their hands full tonight and they need to show up. No doubt about that

 

[Teague31]

Dan Quinn is very overrated