New mock with entire 1st round and all DAL picks

[acer941]

Agree to disagree. My opinion still stands. Rob Ryan would find a way to use him. He is not all pass rush either. His run stopping abilities are out of this world. And ss a team weak in the trenches last year he's an elite talent with such intensity and motor that I would never pass up on him regardless of scheme. He isn't going to make it to 9 anyways so I should stop drooling over him.

That case could be made for countless players. Rob Ryan could use Von Miller, Robert Quinn, DaQuan Bowers, Nick Fairley, J.J. Watt, Stephen Pea, Akeem Ayers. Jason Garret Could use A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert. What if Rob Ryan can't use Fairley? and he ends up like Vernon Gholston who not even Rex Ryan could get to perform well.

Nick Fairley has Decent run stopping ability. But he doesn't have the power to play in a 3-4 Defense. On just about all the plays he made in College was with his Quickness not his Power.

Find me 1 3-4 D-line that is Quick not Strong in a 3-4 Defense that produces.

 

[urface59]

That case could be made for countless players. Rob Ryan could use Von Miller, Robert Quinn, DaQuan Bowers, Nick Fairley, J.J. Watt, Stephen Pea, Akeem Ayers. Jason Garret Could use A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert. What if Rob Ryan can't use Fairley? and he ends up like Vernon Gholston who not even Rex Ryan could get to perform well.

Nick Fairley has Decent run stopping ability. But he doesn't have the power to play in a 3-4 Defense. On just about all the plays he made in College was with his Quickness not his Power.

Find me 1 3-4 D-line that is Quick not Strong in a 3-4 Defense that produces.

And Ratliff isn't big enough to be a NT... oh wait. 1. He does have the power, 2. Your argument that just because his college ran a 4-3 that's all he's good for is a pretty lame one.

 

[Hostile]

i didnt mean that one, i thought he got the mock from a regular draft site, with picks. but thanks anyway

That's why I sent you back to his source.

 

[TheSport78]

i didnt mean that one, i thought he got the mock from a regular draft site, with picks. but thanks anyway

That's why I sent you back to his source.

:laugh2: Thanks, Hos.

Sorry I didn't clarify, Joe. It was a mock I made up myself. Would you be happy w/ this draft scenario?

 

[TheSport78]

You guarantee huh? :laugh2:

There are plenty of 3-4 players in the NFL that didn't play 3-4 in college, by the way.

True, but how many "elite" players play defensive end in a 3-4 defense? You could make a case for Richard Seymour but I don't think he's special. A DE at the #9 overall pick just doesn't have good value in my opinion.

 

[AsthmaField]

If Fairley is on the board and we trade down, I'm gonna be SO pissed off.

Ditto.

Won't happen though. I don't see teams passing on him enough for Fairley to make it to #9.

 

[sonnyboy]

#1: Carolina Panthers: QB Cam Newton
#2: Denver Broncos: DT Marcell Dareus
#3: Buffalo Bills: CB Patrick Peterson
#4 Cincinnati Bengals: WR AJ Green
#5: Arizona Cardinals: LB Von Miller
#6: Cleveland Browns: DE Da'Quan Bowers
#7: San Francisco 49ers: CB Prince Amukamara
#8: Tennessee Titans: DE/LB Robert Quinn
#9: **TRADE**

Dallas trades #9 overall pick to St. Louis Rams for STL's #14 overall and #47 overall (2nd rounder).

#9: St. Louis Rams: WR Julio Jones
#10: Washington Commanders: QB Blaine Gabbert
#11: Houston Texans: LB Aldon Smith
#12: Minnesota Vikings: DE/DT Nick Fairley
#13: Detroit Lions: OT Anthony Castonzo
#14: Dallas Cowboys: OT Tyron Smith
#15: Miami Dolphins: DE Ryan Kerrigan
#16: Jacksonville Jaguars: DE JJ Watt
#17: New England Patriots: RB Mark Ingram
#18: San Diego Chargers: DE Cameron Jordan
#19: New York Giants: DT Corey Liuget
#20: Tampa Bay Buccaneers: LB Akeem Ayers
#21: Kansas City Chiefs: OT Nate Solder
#22: Indianapolis Colts: DT Stephen Paea
#23: Philadelphia Eagles: OT Gabe Carimi
#24: New Orleans Saints: DE Allen Bailey
#25: Seattle Seahawks: QB Jake Locker
#26: Baltimore Ravens: DE Cameron Heyward
#27: Atlanta Falcons: DE Adrian Clayborn
#28: New England Patriots: OT Derek Sherrod
#29: Chicago Bears: DT Christian Ballard
#30: New York Jets: DT Phil Taylor
#31: Pittsburgh Steelers: OG Mike Pouncey
#32: Green Bay Packers: WR Jon Baldwin

Rest of Dallas picks:

2nd round: ILB Martez Wilson
2nd round: CB/S Aaron Williams
3rd round: DE Pernell McPhee
4th round: G/C John Moffitt
5th round: FB Henry Hynoski
6th round: RB John Clay
7th round: QB Greg McElroy

Discuss!

Good work. But something tells me we'd be better off with Carimi and I don't really see a need for an ILB. Is Wilson a pet cat or do you see ILB as that great a need?

I'd prefer a 2nd trade from 14 to the 20-22 range to snag Carimi.
14 to 21 should net us the 53rd pick.

Now as far as needs go, I'd prefer 3 OL, 1 S and a DL were selected before taking an ILB.

And with the 21st, 41st, 47th and 53rd, we could do some real damage. Go get a top notch safety and really bolster the OL.

 

[cowboyjoe]

lol, you guys are too funny :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[TheCount]

Good work. But something tells me we'd be better off with Carimi and I don't really see a need for an ILB. Is Wilson a pet cat or do you see ILB as that great a need?

Bradie is a FA in 2012 and he'll be 31 at that point. We could always resign him, but I think Martez and Lee would be a pretty good way to infuse youth into out defensive front, so I wouldn't be upset with picking a replacement up a year early and giving him time to learn.

 

[TheSport78]

Bradie is a FA in 2012 and he'll be 31 at that point. We could always resign him, but I think Martez and Lee would be a pretty good way to infuse youth into out defensive front, so I wouldn't be upset with picking a replacement up a year early and giving him time to learn.

You stole my thunder. Bradie James being in a contract year was the main reason, and Brooking will be gone after this year, IF he comes back. I have high hopes for Lee but our ILB play has been average at best. Having a difference maker in the middle could change things for the better. I also think this isn't a deep LB class so I'd prefer to get good value in the early 2nd.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

At this point Id be very surprised if Gabbert makes it through all those QB needy teams

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Ive heard some talk about Martez being stiff as hell and his workout numbers dont reflect his on field athleticism. I havent youtube'd him yet since I dont think its likely they take him

 

[TheSport78]

Ive heard some talk about Martez being stiff as hell and his workout numbers dont reflect his on field athleticism. I havent youtube'd him yet since I dont think its likely they take him

I know Dallas likes Greg Jones as well.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know. I really don't love Wilson but I have not watch a lot of Illinois football this season so perhaps he's much better then I think he is.

We may be better off waiting for next years draft for ILB. Better prospects IMO.

 

[TheCount]

Ditto.

Won't happen though. I don't see teams passing on him enough for Fairley to make it to #9.

I just think the results of an elite 3-4 DE is different from what we are used to using as measurement.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I just think the results of an elite 3-4 DE is different from what we are used to using as measurement.

I want PP/Quinn/Tyron but if they take a DE Ill look at it like going to the dentist. I may not like it at first, but once its over and done with Ill see the benefits

And even without pure sacks numbers we sure can use at least a little push from the trenches. It cant be all Ware.

Damn, we got some holes.

 

[acer941]

I want PP/Quinn/Tyron but if they take a DE Ill look at it like going to the dentist. I may not like it at first, but once its over and done with Ill see the benefits

And even without pure sacks numbers we sure can use at least a little push from the trenches. It cant be all Ware.

Damn, we got some holes.

Not as many as the Commanders!!!

 

[AsthmaField]

I just think the results of an elite 3-4 DE is different from what we are used to using as measurement.

Having Ryan as the coordinator makes a big difference, in my mind. I think he will find ways to use Fairley to disrupt the offense. He will use multiple fronts a lot, which is going to give Fairley a lot of chances to use his upfield burst a lot more than he would just playing DE in a 34 all the time.

In passing situations, playing Nick in a 4 man line or in a variation of the 46 would put him in an ideal situation to use his talents. Plus, even in the regular 34, he would still have many chances to make tackles behind the line of scrimmage, sacks, etc.

Fairley is just so dam disruptive. That's why I'd love for us to draft him... but I'm not real excited about using our #1 on a DE if it isn't him. Getting Jordan or Watt... I just don't see them being nearly as disruptive or Ryan creating the ways to use them that he would with Fairley. I think any DE other than Fairley is just going to give us what Marcus Spears did, more or less.

So, if we can't get Fairley, then I'd say go CB or OL in round 1 and then address DE later in the draft.