Newsome is the best CB

[nathanlt]

Now, of course that is an attention grabbing headline, but here's why I say that. Newsome brings an extra 2nd round pick along with him. Amongst all the multitude of draft talk and shows I've seen, the following gem of wisdom was shared.

Drafting a premium man coverage specialist is a waste in an 85% zone scheme that the Cowboys will be implementing this year.

So, why draft a specialist in man coverage when a great zone CB, Newsome is available in the late teens. (according to draft guides is a specialist in zone coverage and plays it to the maximum) So, take a chance trade down for an additional second rounder, then trade up to get

Newsome, at #18, Collins or Bolton at #29-33, then get Grant or Ardarius Washington at #44, then trade up into the #57-63 range to get Marvin Wilson

Surtain/Horn are better at man coverage, but neither is better than a combination of Newsome and Collins.

 

[The Realist]

Takes 2 to tango. Who is trading up 10 and who are they trading up for?

 

[Future]

I mean, it's ok to just rank Newsome ahead of Horn lol.

Neither is a good pick at 10, but the idea of being a good pick in a trade down applies to both.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Now, of course that is an attention grabbing headline, but here's why I say that. Newsome brings an extra 2nd round pick along with him. Amongst all the multitude of draft talk and shows I've seen, the following gem of wisdom was shared.

Drafting a premium man coverage specialist is a waste in an 85% zone scheme that the Cowboys will be implementing this year.

So, why draft a specialist in man coverage when a great zone CB, Newsome is available in the late teens. (according to draft guides is a specialist in zone coverage and plays it to the maximum) So, take a chance trade down for an additional second rounder, then trade up to get

Newsome, at #18, Collins or Bolton at #29-33, then get Grant or Ardarius Washington at #44, then trade up into the #57-63 range to get Marvin Wilson

Surtain/Horn are better at man coverage, but neither is better than a combination of Newsome and Collins.

Boom! It's not actually zone but it's not man all over the field at all. I've been trying to get this point across for weeks now. It's like people just don't want to hear what is being said. It's weird.

Horn is the better fit all the way around because the scheme is not zone 85. It's really Press that releases to the three deep or single high. But I do like Newsome and believe that if he had played this year, he would be rated much higher. But to me, Horn is the best fit for ours scheme in this draft.

JMO

 

[Cowboyny]

Could be right. What I do know Newsome is an excellent fit for our scheme

 

[Canada180]

Takes 2 to tango. Who is trading up 10 and who are they trading up for?

Im hoping Matt Jones falls to ten. WE could make out like bandits in a trade down

 

[nathanlt]

Boom! It's not actually zone but it's not man all over the field at all. I've been trying to get this point across for weeks now. It's like people just don't want to hear what is being said. It's weird.

Horn is the better fit all the way around because the scheme is not zone 85. It's really Press that releases to the three deep or single high. But I do like Newsome and believe that if he had played this year, he would be rated much higher. But to me, Horn is the best fit for ours scheme in this draft.

JMO

Good analysis, it's important to match players that you draft to your scheme. That's my point. Horn is good enough at man coverage that he would not last in a trade down so Dallas could get another 2nd round pick.

I'd like to get as many picks as possible in the top 2 rounds. I'd like 3 or 4 guys there this year. Even if we sacrificed next year's 1st and 2nd to get additional 2nd round picks, it would be worth it! With 5 or 6 2nd round picks, Dallas would restock their roster to a Super Bowl level, all inexpensive in terms of the cap.

 

[JBS]

Exhibit A - when you don't understand what a cb does in a cover 3 scheme

 

[texbumthelife]

Boom! It's not actually zone but it's not man all over the field at all. I've been trying to get this point across for weeks now. It's like people just don't want to hear what is being said. It's weird.

Horn is the better fit all the way around because the scheme is not zone 85. It's really Press that releases to the three deep or single high. But I do like Newsome and believe that if he had played this year, he would be rated much higher. But to me, Horn is the best fit for ours scheme in this draft.

JMO

Surtain is the best at pressing and rerouting of any DB in the draft by a VERY wide margin. So from the snap, he's the best option. Then, he's also the most technically sound, which is what you want when someone is responsible for the deep 1/3rd. He's going to reroute, read his keys, and get into his deep cover responsibility. He's also accustomed to blanket man on his boundary.

Horn isn't better at anything than Surtain. He's just faster, a little bigger, and has a little more attitude.

Surtain is absolutely a perfect fit for Quinn's coverage scheme. I'm not even sure what people arguing against that are looking at. He literally could not be a better fit.

 

[texbumthelife]

Now, of course that is an attention grabbing headline, but here's why I say that. Newsome brings an extra 2nd round pick along with him. Amongst all the multitude of draft talk and shows I've seen, the following gem of wisdom was shared.

Drafting a premium man coverage specialist is a waste in an 85% zone scheme that the Cowboys will be implementing this year.

So, why draft a specialist in man coverage when a great zone CB, Newsome is available in the late teens. (according to draft guides is a specialist in zone coverage and plays it to the maximum) So, take a chance trade down for an additional second rounder, then trade up to get

Newsome, at #18, Collins or Bolton at #29-33, then get Grant or Ardarius Washington at #44, then trade up into the #57-63 range to get Marvin Wilson

Surtain/Horn are better at man coverage, but neither is better than a combination of Newsome and Collins.

Presumptive of you to assume a team will offer a second to move up to 10 AND Newsome will be there in the second at either 44 or the pick you acquired.

Trading back to target a player is a dangerous game to play. You're just as likely to miss out on your target all together when you could have had the best player at that position @10.

 

[cheyennes]

Keith Taylor for Washington, good cb in press converage

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Surtain is the best at pressing and rerouting of any DB in the draft by a VERY wide margin. So from the snap, he's the best option. Then, he's also the most technically sound, which is what you want when someone is responsible for the deep 1/3rd. He's going to reroute, read his keys, and get into his deep cover responsibility. He's also accustomed to blanket man on his boundary.

Horn isn't better at anything than Surtain. He's just faster, a little bigger, and has a little more attitude.

Surtain is absolutely a perfect fit for Quinn's coverage scheme. I'm not even sure what people arguing against that are looking at. He literally could not be a better fit.

Yeah, this is wrong. But hey, everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

 

[nathanlt]

Presumptive of you to assume a team will offer a second to move up to 10 AND Newsome will be there in the second at either 44 or the pick you acquired.

Trading back to target a player is a dangerous game to play. You're just as likely to miss out on your target all together when you could have had the best player at that position @10.

For #10, depending on the player, several might offer their 2nd rounder. According to the draft chart, its in play if Dallas moves down far enough, down to #15, the final pick of the 2nd round, down to #26, the first pick of the second round. It's not a guarantee, you're right, but it's also not out of the question.

Yes, there is risk when trading down to get a specific player, but that risk is mitigated with the guarantee of having an additional second round pick. You're still looking at starters in the 2nd round, and with Will McClay in the room, Dallas will remove overranked and hyped players off the list. The skill of McClay makes this a great move, adding 3 starters through #44 instead of 2.

 

[cnuball21]

I’d take Newsome at 44 10 times out of 10 over Surtain/Horn at 10.

I see very little difference in drop off.

 

[Doomsday101]

I’d take Newsome at 44 10 times out of 10 over Surtain/Horn at 10.

I see very little difference in drop off.

I see a big difference Newsome has been called on several PI, he tends to grab and it gets him in trouble. Surtain had 0 penalties last season despite the fact he is a very physical CB.

 

[gimmesix]

Boom! It's not actually zone but it's not man all over the field at all. I've been trying to get this point across for weeks now. It's like people just don't want to hear what is being said. It's weird.

Horn is the better fit all the way around because the scheme is not zone 85. It's really Press that releases to the three deep or single high. But I do like Newsome and believe that if he had played this year, he would be rated much higher. But to me, Horn is the best fit for ours scheme in this draft.

JMO

It seems like there's some confusion between Cover 1, Cover 2 and Cover 3.

Cover 1

Cover 1 keeps the free safety back in a deep zone. Otherwise, coverage beneath is man to man, or perhaps a mix of man and zone.


Miami 43, shade front, man plus cover 1 by the free safety.

Cover 2 and Tampa 2

Back in the day, Cover 2 was also called the double zone, because both outside receivers had a form of double coverage. There are references that claim the 1963 Chicago Bears played a form of a double zone and confused the heck out of people. This is significant because most folks were only playing rotating zones, if that (see the Cover 3 section).


Cover 2 from Miami 4-3 over front. Cornerbacks jam then fall into zones.

Cover 2 is famous for having a hole in the middle. But if you have a fast, agile middle linebacker, as the 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers did, then you can have him race down the middle and split the deep zone into three, forming what is known now as the Tampa 2 defense.


Tampa under front, Tampa 2 zone defense. Modeled on the diagram in Matt Bowen’s Tampa 2 article.

Cover 3: rotating zones versus the modern Cover 3.

In the early 1960s, when you said zone coverage, by default you meant this, and only this:


Tom Landry’s 4-3 Inside, showing a 1960s era strong side rotating zone. Strong side linebacker and left cornerback jam before falling into zone.

This kind of defense was abused in Super Bowl III, where Baltimore’s rotating zone became a sitting duck for a still mobile Joe Namath. By the 1970s, usage of this defense fell away, as it was too easy to diagnose.

The Cover 3 we will show here comes from a Stack 44 setup, achieved when a 4-3 Stack (Miami 4-3) overshifts the secondary. Some people call the defensive back at linebacker depth a monster or rover, and these kinds of defenses, with three defensive backs at backfield depth, naturally lend themselves to Cover 3, with three deep backs.


Cover 3 from a Stack 4-3 monster.

 

[Creeper]

This is the first year in a long time I am okay with trading down if possible. It they can get another 2nd round pick they have a lot of options in both rounds 1 and 2. They can get someone like Horn or Newsome, who I think will be fine, or Barmore if they want to take a chance on DT. Then they still have another 2nd round pick. Maybe they snag Jamin Davis along with Newsome and still nab decent DT or OT. If one of the QBs falls to 10, the Cowboys will have to mull this over and seriously consider a trade down.

 

[nathanlt]

I mean, it's ok to just rank Newsome ahead of Horn lol.

Neither is a good pick at 10, but the idea of being a good pick in a trade down applies to both.

Right, but all 3 won't fall into the teens... Newsome is the most likely to still be there, I'd bet. If not, Koramoah and Collins/Bolton would ease the pain, and then you can pick up Kelvin Joseph later on.

 

[MonsterD]

Yeah I like others am good with trade down if there is not real big name at 10. I'd rather trade down to 18-20 than pick Kwity or Phillips at 10. And I do see too narrow a gap between Newsome/Joseph and Surtain/Horn.

 

[unionjack8]

Keith Taylor for Washington, good cb in press converage

Got abused at senior bowl by all accounts