NFL TV: Need CZ numbers/business experts

[coult44]

How many of you would spend money on NFL Sunday ticket if Direct TV were not the only supplier of the service? How many would buy individual games? Next question Is for the numbers gurus. Would the NFL make more money doing it this way, or lose money because the DTV contract has been so successful?

I was a very long customer of the ST until About 2 years ago. I played the game from 94-2017. The last few years I hated it even more because of the price. I got sick of having a million channels where all I wanted was ST and other sports stations. When they finally wouldn’t budge anymore on trying to make me sign for two more years I left. My threats didn’t work anymore. So I began diving into illegal streaming sites and all the headaches that come along with watching games this way. The other choice would be Hanging out every Sunday at The Pint House, or The Open Doors, or at Snow Eaters, or BWW gets expensive for me and two teenagers (especially when drinking helps the way I looks to the team right now)

So with all that being said, why have they refused to give their fans more choices and what we want? Especially Without sticking a new satellite and a two year agreement in our face? They moved The Red Zone Channel, how bout doing the same with the ST

 

[CouchCoach]

Because DirecTV was willing to pay the exclusive rights and more importantly, willing to dedicate the channels before cable was able to have additional space.

That was their exclusive attraction and the main reason for me switching from cable. They were far more motivated to have that than any of the cable sysytems and back then, there were hundreds of cable systems and one DirecTV.

I read that they were pissed about the NFL checking into streamers but they got over that and renewed their deal with the NFL.

I used to get it free as leverage for renewing but it wasn't long after ATT took over that they would no longer bend.

 

[BigStar]

I hear your point, cable companies make their money forcing packages instead of specific channels. If they are getting away with this (the South Park episode is spot on) you really have no alternative outside of illegal streams.

Luckily the internet provider bandwidth space hasn't been in play yet. That's how they're trying to pull the rug from Netflix and Hulu type services. Once we start paying for our internet to "stream on" those sites, than we're right back to square one with no leverage.

You're saying if someone broke the mold, what would their expected loss be initially and could they make more money selling say $50 Cowboy or Raven packages instead of that crazy annual price tag. Is it up in the $300 range yet?

I'm not going to give the NFL the benefit of the doubt here in assuming they would go for $50 option if it made them more money. They had the same exact situation with EA Madden NFL rights and they still sold it off to EA though they would make more money letting others make games. It's backwards tbh, but their justification was branding...they didn't like 2k selling games for $20 bc it looked like a "cheap product" so they sold the exclusive rights to EA.

How long does DT get to benefit as some grandfathered clause I guess is the question? If they're paying for that via the NFL, they're kind of paying for their monopoly, similar to EA and Madden.

Saw Couch's post above. I used to be with Direct TV for that sole reason but the Cowboy games were on something 80% of the time and it became almost stupid on my part to continue.

Essay over lol

 

[Ranched]

Would never pay to watch any professional sports on television when there's so many free streaming sites.

 

[CouchCoach]

I hear your point, cable companies make their money forcing packages instead of specific channels. If they are getting away with this (the South Park episode is spot on) you really have no alternative outside of illegal streams.

Luckily the internet provider bandwidth space hasn't been in play yet. That's how they're trying to pull the rug from Netflix and Hulu type services. Once we start paying for our internet to "stream on" those sites, than we're right back to square one with no leverage.

You're saying if someone broke the mold, what would their expected loss be initially and could they make more money selling say $50 Cowboy or Raven packages instead of that crazy annual price tag. Is it up in the $300 range yet?

I'm not going to give the NFL the benefit of the doubt here in assuming they would go for $50 option if it made them more money. They had the same exact situation with EA Madden NFL rights and they still sold it off to EA though they would make more money letting others make games. It's backwards tbh, but their justification was branding...they didn't like 2k selling games for $20 bc it looked like a "cheap product" so they sold the exclusive rights to EA.

How long does DT get to benefit as some grandfathered clause I guess is the question? If they're paying for that via the NFL, they're kind of paying for their monopoly, similar to EA and Madden.

Saw Couch's post above. I used to be with Direct TV for that sole reason but the Cowboy games were on something 80% of the time and it became almost stupid on my part to continue.

Essay over lol

The NFL is not required to open anything up for bid like most college programs are. They can do whatever they want as well as the teams within their own markets. Booger had more radio flagship stations in a 10 year period than any 4 other combined teams.

And the FTC isn't getting involved because the games are on for free on network affiliates and the FCC can't get involved for lack of jurisdiction.

As far as the question regarding PPV vs the network deals, if the NFL could make out better, they'd already be there. The deal that was inked before this present one was greater than the value of all the 32 teams combined. If the networks had set up a cooperative and had all 32 owners willing to sell, they could have bought the league for less that what they paid in rights fees.

 

[BigStar]

The NFL is not required to open anything up for bid like most college programs are. They can do whatever they want as well as the teams within their own markets. Booger had more radio flagship stations in a 10 year period than any 4 other combined teams.

And the FTC isn't getting involved because the games are on for free on network affiliates and the FCC can't get involved for lack of jurisdiction.

As far as the question regarding PPV vs the network deals, if the NFL could make out better, they'd already be there. The deal that was inked before this present one was greater than the value of all the 32 teams combined. If the networks had set up a cooperative and had all 32 owners willing to sell, they could have bought the league for less that what they paid in rights fees.

Outside of my little Madden comparison I would think you're correct in terms of doing what's best for their bottom line. That part really surprised me though (that they were seeking exclusivity in that realm) and didn't know if some of that crept into this; you sound much more knowledgeable on the topic tbh esp all the FTC type stuff. What's that the radio ?

 

[Rockport]

Would never pay to watch any professional sports on television when there's so many free streaming sites.

They're not free. You're stealing and likely to get malware and or a virus.

 

[BigStar]

They're not free. You're stealing and likely to get malware and or a virus.

Are you trying to say freemovies.pirate.onion.arrrghhh isn't a reputable site?

 

[CouchCoach]

Outside of my little Madden comparison I would think you're correct in terms of doing what's best for their bottom line. That part really surprised me though (that they were seeking exclusivity in that realm) and didn't know if some of that crept into this; you sound much more knowledgeable on the topic tbh esp all the FTC type stuff. What's that the radio ?

Yep, being in radio connected me to others in associated fields and my neighbor in Dallas was with DirecTV from their beginning, even got me on the list for the first installs when they opened Dallas. And even wackier than that, one of my buds, a Giants fan, has been an executive with ATT for many years and when they opened their DSL station close to me, the first in Dallas, I missed out by one household being the first to have DSL service in Dallas.

Later on when ATT bought DirecTV, I though how odd that was that I knew two execs with both companies. But what really floored me was at a cookout at the DirecTV guy's house, I met the guy that was responsible for the whole Sunday Ticket deal. He was just a guy at the meeting and brought that up when discussing how DirecTV could make a splash and he springboarded right up the ladder after that. He's a Giants fan as well.

In Dallas, it seemed like I could not throw a rock without hitting a Giants fan. I didn't do that because in Texas we just think we're badasses, those native New Yorkers will steal your eyes and use them for snooker balls..

 

[CyberB0b]

You can get ST standalone now.

 

[Rockport]

Are you trying to say freemovies.pirate.onion.arrrghhh isn't a reputable site?

I'm not familiar with any of those sites.

 

[John813]

Would never pay to watch any professional sports on television when there's so many free streaming sites.

Pretty much. Which is why I haven't kept up with any sport that requires PPV. Especially when they realize clips from said event minutes after it's over.

I never have paid for Sunday Ticket. Got it once for free for switching to DTV, and of course that year was 2015.

 

[TheCowboy]

They're not free. You're stealing and likely to get malware and or a virus.

Have never had a problem after years of streaming free games.

 

[Rockport]

Have never had a problem after years of streaming free games.

Most people are not aware if they have malware and even some viruses.

 

[TheCowboy]

Most people are not aware if they have malware and even some viruses.

True. I regularly run tests so that may be a reason why.