Offense rebuild/retool

[Cowboyny]

Moving away from the defense conversations which have been a good debate, how should the Cowboys look to rebuild/retool their offensive attack?

-It starts with bringing in a more modern run and passing scheme. Since we do not know who is going to be hired, let's take a look at some of the top offenses in the conference over the last few seasons and see what their personnel looks like at the skilled positions:

-49ers-1a, 1b Starting Receivers, Elite TE and Elite RB (Absolutely loaded with talent)
-Lions-True #1 WR, Quality stretch the field #2, Elite TE and Elite 2 back RB system
-Eagles-1a, 1b Starting Receivers, Elite TE, Elite RB (Another loaded roster)

Notice none of these three teams have top 3 QB's.

-Cowboys: True #1 WR, Ascending TE but not in the class of the above three teams.

Offensive Lines

-49ers-have the best rushing scheme in the entire league, everything is based on off it. Quick, timing passing game and have the best LT in the game in Trent Williams.
-Lions-most consider the best line in football, Goff rarely faces heavy press, run game sets up deep shots down the field
-Eagles-loaded with high-end draft talent, but have their elite RT is aging. Best run QB in the conference, Barkley is a homerun threat. Tush Push remains a huge weapon.

-Cowboys: starting two green rookies at the most important spots LT/C. Have an aging RG and a poor overpaid RT. Have no run game to speak, where teams sit on the pass and game plan to take Lamb out of the game.

This is surprising to say, but the offense is in worst shape then what the defense is currently in.

 

[gtb1943]

Moving away from the defense conversations which have been a good debate, how should the Cowboys look to rebuild/retool their offensive attack?

-It starts with bringing in a more modern run and passing scheme. Since we do not know who is going to be hired, let's take a look at some of the top offenses in the conference over the last few seasons and see what their personnel looks like at the skilled positions:

-49ers-1a, 1b Starting Receivers, Elite TE and Elite RB (Absolutely loaded with talent)
-Lions-True #1 WR, Quality stretch the field #2, Elite TE and Elite 2 back RB system
-Eagles-1a, 1b Starting Receivers, Elite TE, Elite RB (Another loaded roster)

Notice none of these three teams have top 3 QB's.

-Cowboys: True #1 WR, Ascending TE but not in the class of the above three teams.

Offensive Lines

-49ers-have the best rushing scheme in the entire league, everything is based on off it. Quick, timing passing game and have the best LT in the game in Trent Williams.
-Lions-most consider the best line in football, Goff rarely faces heavy press, run game sets up deep shots down the field
-Eagles-loaded with high-end draft talent, but have their elite RT is aging. Best run QB in the conference, Barkley is a homerun threat. Tush Push remains a huge weapon.

-Cowboys: starting two green rookies at the most important spots LT/C. Have an aging RG and a poor overpaid RT. Have no run game to speak, where teams sit on the pass and game plan to take Lamb out of the game.

This is surprising to say, but the offense is in worst shape then what the defense is currently in.

Defense definitely needs help but can manage with a much better DL and maybe one new LB

Offense is worse off because while we actually only need four new players (RB, RG, RT, WR2) we are stuck with Dak at QB and thus we must have a much better OC.

 

[Cowboyny]

Defense definitely needs help but can manage with a much better DL and maybe one new LB

Offense is worse off because while we actually only need four new players (RB, RG, RT, WR2) we are stuck with Dak at QB and thus we must have a much better OC.

I agree, shore up the DT position, Defense can be patched up, but Offense has several holes that have to be addressed.

 

[cnuball21]

More I think about it the more TMac is becoming my top target in the 1st. The WR talent falls off a cliff after him and the FA class is awful outside of Higgins (who will be too expensive).

Sign / trade for 2 DTs and draft another one to develop. Sign and draft a RB.

 

[Cowboyny]

More I think about it the more TMac is becoming my top target in the 1st. The WR talent falls off a cliff after him and the FA class is awful outside of Higgins (who will be too expensive).

Sign / trade for 2 DTs and draft another one to develop. Sign and draft a RB.

Reviewing this roster has tells me we are headed for a rebuilding job and it will take multiple off-seasons. Think the goal should be fix the trenches year 1, then go get the skilled, positional players.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Only 3 players excite me with a top-10 pick..........Hunter, Graham, and TMac. If these three are gone, I'm drafting BPA, positional need or trading down. If I can't draft Graham, I'd rather sign a quality FA. TMac with a top-level RB can go a long way in fixing the offense real fast.

Here's a question .........you picking 5th overall. The top 2 QBs, Hunter and Graham are off the board and you can't find a trade-down partner. Who are you drafting based on the latest draft/mock info???

 

[baltcowboy]

Moving away from the defense conversations which have been a good debate, how should the Cowboys look to rebuild/retool their offensive attack?

-It starts with bringing in a more modern run and passing scheme. Since we do not know who is going to be hired, let's take a look at some of the top offenses in the conference over the last few seasons and see what their personnel looks like at the skilled positions:

-49ers-1a, 1b Starting Receivers, Elite TE and Elite RB (Absolutely loaded with talent)
-Lions-True #1 WR, Quality stretch the field #2, Elite TE and Elite 2 back RB system
-Eagles-1a, 1b Starting Receivers, Elite TE, Elite RB (Another loaded roster)

Notice none of these three teams have top 3 QB's.

-Cowboys: True #1 WR, Ascending TE but not in the class of the above three teams.

Offensive Lines

-49ers-have the best rushing scheme in the entire league, everything is based on off it. Quick, timing passing game and have the best LT in the game in Trent Williams.
-Lions-most consider the best line in football, Goff rarely faces heavy press, run game sets up deep shots down the field
-Eagles-loaded with high-end draft talent, but have their elite RT is aging. Best run QB in the conference, Barkley is a homerun threat. Tush Push remains a huge weapon.

-Cowboys: starting two green rookies at the most important spots LT/C. Have an aging RG and a poor overpaid RT. Have no run game to speak, where teams sit on the pass and game plan to take Lamb out of the game.

This is surprising to say, but the offense is in worst shape then what the defense is currently in.

You hit it on the head with the outdated scheme. The problem is the scheme was made for Dak. I am not sure how effective 4 would be in a new age scheme. Dak cannot run any longer. To play in these new offenses you need wheels. Dak needs top end talent around him that is what we have seen the last 8 years he has been here.

 

[cnuball21]

Reviewing this roster has tells me we are headed for a rebuilding job and it will take multiple off-seasons. Think the goal should be fix the trenches year 1, then go get the skilled, positional players.

I agree to an extent - but think the priority on the trenches is DL and specifically DT. We know those guys take time to develop so I’d prefer we’re aggressive in FA / trade at that position and then target another DT in the 2nd bc we know the class is loaded.

I’d bet a large amount of money a stud DT will be available in the 2nd. I’m highly doubtful Bond or Burden will be available in the 2nd

We’ve got 2 1st rounders on the OL and Beebe looks like the future at C. Gotta have a little faith we can develop one of the youngsters to be league average to plug in at RG.

 

[Cowboyny]

Only 3 players excite me with a top-10 pick..........Hunter, Graham, and TMac. If these three are gone, I'm drafting BPA, positional need or trading down. If I can't draft Graham, I'd rather sign a quality FA. TMac with a top-level RB can go a long way in fixing the offense real fast.

Here's a question .........you picking 5th overall. The top 2 QBs, Hunter and Graham are off the board and you can't find a trade-down partner. Who are you drafting based on the latest draft/mock info???

Easy, Carter should be apart of that group. He is a Parsons type of position less player

 

[cnuball21]

You hit it on the head with the outdated scheme. The problem is the scheme was made for Dak. I am not sure how effective 4 would be in a new age scheme. Dak cannot run any longer. To play in these new offenses you need wheels. Dak needs top end talent around him that is what we have seen the last 8 years he has been here.

I’d disagree…we’ve seen non mobile QBs like Stafford, Jimmy G, Goff have success in newer schemes in recent years. Obviously the Lions have a great run game but Goff was doing before Gibbs got there.

 

[cnuball21]

Easy, Carter should be apart of that group. He is a Parsons type of position less player

1000000000000%. He should be a top target.

 

[Cowboyny]

I agree to an extent - but think the priority on the trenches is DL and specifically DT. We know those guys take time to develop so I’d prefer we’re aggressive in FA / trade at that position and then target another DT in the 2nd bc we know the class is loaded.

I’d bet a large amount of money a stud DT will be available in the 2nd. I’m highly doubtful Bond or Burden will be available in the 2nd

We’ve got 2 1st rounders on the OL and Beebe looks like the future at C. Gotta have a little faith we can develop one of the youngsters to be league average to plug in at RG.

Remember we should have a top 40 pick, you usually get a player projected in the 1st rd in that range. When you look at past drafts, many good receivers have fell out of the 1st rd.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if an early DT makes an instant impact, blue chippers at all positions usually play well out of the gate

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

After QB, the most valuable top 10 pick is a LT. Tyler Guyton might turn out fine, but top 10 tackles are the Lane Johnson’s, the Penei Sewell’s, the Joe Alt’s, the Tyron Smith’s, the Tristan Wirfs’s, The Laremy Tunsil’s (even though those two fell). Foundational franchise building blocks that will secure your line for the next decade plus. You don’t get the same hit rate at DE, WR, CB. There aren’t 15 Myles Garrett’s walking around the NFL; but there are lots of top 10 Oline hits.

Move Guyton to RT and take Will Campbell. Now you need to fill 1 spot at RG and you have a complete Oline that can play together until 2030.

 

[Cowboyny]

I’d disagree…we’ve seen non mobile QBs like Stafford, Jimmy G, Goff have success in newer schemes in recent years. Obviously the Lions have a great run game but Goff was doing before Gibbs got there.

Dak’s lack of mobility doesn’t worry me one bit as he still has good pocket awareness.

 

[Cowboyny]

After QB, the most valuable top 10 pick is a LT. Tyler Guyton might turn out fine, but top 10 tackles are the Lane Johnson’s, the Penei Sewell’s, the Joe Alt’s, the Tyron Smith’s, the Tristan Wirfs’s, The Laremy Tunsil’s (even though those two fell). Foundational franchise building blocks that will secure your line for the next decade plus. You don’t get the same hit rate at DE, WR, CB. There aren’t 15 Myles Garrett’s walking around the NFL; but there are lots of top 10 Oline hits.

Move Guyton to RT and take Will Campbell. Now you need to fill 1 spot at RG and you have a complete Oline that can play together until 2030.

I have heard the top tackles would be behind most drafted last yr, not a great class!

 

[cnuball21]

Your

Remember we should have a top 40 pick, you usually get a player projected in the 1st rd in that range. When you look at past drafts, many good receivers have fell out of the 1st rd.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if an early DT makes an instant impact, blue chippers at all positions usually play well out of the gate

You’re right - I think Graham is just a tick below Carter as a prospect but he could certainly help year 1. I just think a proven vet is going to hold up better against the run and this class is so deep my preference is WR if TMac is there.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Easy, Carter should be apart of that group. He is a Parsons type of position less player

IDK.....for me given the choice of the best T, WR or DE is a tough one. I can make a case for all three but it's early but if I'm locked in at 5th and Graham and Hunter are gone, passing on TMac would be tough. We could expect an immediate impact opposite Lamb day one vs DE ( Carter )
I'm on the fence. In fact, I would lean more to going LT at 5 than DE. But again it's way early ...........Combines and Pro workouts can change everything. So we will see........
BTW......any word on Carter's 40 time?


https://bleacherreport.com/articles...nfl-draft-2025-scouting-report-for-arizona-wr

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I have heard the top tackles would be behind most drafted last yr, not a great class!

+1 ...yea I read/heard the same thing

 

[cnuball21]

After QB, the most valuable top 10 pick is a LT. Tyler Guyton might turn out fine, but top 10 tackles are the Lane Johnson’s, the Penei Sewell’s, the Joe Alt’s, the Tyron Smith’s, the Tristan Wirfs’s, The Laremy Tunsil’s (even though those two fell). Foundational franchise building blocks that will secure your line for the next decade plus. You don’t get the same hit rate at DE, WR, CB. There aren’t 15 Myles Garrett’s walking around the NFL; but there are lots of top 10 Oline hits.

Move Guyton to RT and take Will Campbell. Now you need to fill 1 spot at RG and you have a complete Oline that can play together until 2030.

I’m fine with how Guyton has progressed. Gets better every week and only gave up 2 pressures last week with reps against one of the best pass rushers in football. He’s on a similar track to how Tyler S looked year 1.

I like Campbell but he’s not at the same level as some of the players we’re taking about that should be available.

 

[cnuball21]

IDK.....for me given the choice of the best T, WR or DE is a tough one. I can make a case for all three but it's early but if I'm locked in at 5th and Graham and Hunter are gone, passing on TMac would be tough. We could expect an immediate impact opposite Lamb day one vs DE ( Carter )
I'm on the fence. In fact, I would lean more to going LT at 5 than DE. But again it's way early ...........Combines and Pro workouts can change everything. So we will see........
BTW......any word on Carter's 40 time?


https://bleacherreport.com/articles...nfl-draft-2025-scouting-report-for-arizona-wr

Carter is going to test well. I don’t know about his 40 but I’ve seen enough on tape to feel confident about his first step and bend which are more important.

I’d expect something around 4.5 which is absurd for his size considering how well he can dip. Google says 4.48…tack on some and if he runs under a 4.6 that’s still elite.