Ohio State suspends coach Urban Meyer, AD Gene Smith

[joseephuss]

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...tate-suspends-coach-urban-meyer-ad-gene-smith

Ohio State suspends coach Urban Meyer, AD Gene Smith

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State on Wednesday night suspended head football coach Urban Meyer for the first three games of this season after a two-week investigation found that he mishandled domestic assault allegations made against former Buckeyes assistant coach Zach Smith and misrepresented what he knew about the situation in a public statement in July.

Meyer was suspended without pay and banned from interacting with the football team through Sept. 2. He can rejoin the team at that point, but he will not be able to coach in games against Oregon State, Rutgers and No. 16 TCU.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I think 3 games is way overkill. How do you fire a guy whose not been convicted of anything? Sad state affairs in this country when a mere accusation can bring someone's career to an end. What happened between Zach Smith and his wife was never an issue until they got divorced and she decided to hatch a revenge plan. But she's rewarded. A man's career is ruined and Urban gets 3 games for not "handling" a situation that wasn't his to handle.

 

[Iago33]

I think 3 games is way overkill. How do you fire a guy whose not been convicted of anything? Sad state affairs in this country when a mere accusation can bring someone's career to an end. What happened between Zach Smith and his wife was never an issue until they got divorced and she decided to hatch a revenge plan. But she's rewarded. A man's career is ruined and Urban gets 3 games for not "handling" a situation that wasn't his to handle.

The abuse was "never an issue"? Really?

You guys should go do some research on Title IX enforcement on campuses.

 

[atlantacowboy]

The abuse was "never an issue"? Really?

You guys should go do some research on Title IX enforcement on campuses.

Title ix is a crock and certainly shouldn't supercede the basic constitutional spririt of innocence until guilt proven. Urban did what he was supposed to do and alerted his boss. He owes the media nothing.

 

[joseephuss]

I think 3 games is way overkill. How do you fire a guy whose not been convicted of anything? Sad state affairs in this country when a mere accusation can bring someone's career to an end. What happened between Zach Smith and his wife was never an issue until they got divorced and she decided to hatch a revenge plan. But she's rewarded. A man's career is ruined and Urban gets 3 games for not "handling" a situation that wasn't his to handle.

How was she rewarded?

 

[atlantacowboy]

How was she rewarded?

She wanted revenge and she got it. This stuff happened 3 years ago when she was married. You think its a coincidence its just coming out now?

 

[joseephuss]

She wanted revenge and she got it. This stuff happened 3 years ago when she was married. You think its a coincidence its just coming out now?

I have no idea if he abused her or didn't abuse her. I have no idea if she is seeking revenge or not. I have no idea if Meyer knew about the accusations or not. It sounds as if you have made your mind up of what happened and what everyone's motives are.

 

[Ranched]

I have no idea if he abused her or didn't abuse her. I have no idea if she is seeking revenge or not. I have no idea if Meyer knew about the accusations or not. It sounds as if you have made your mind up of what happened and what everyone's motives are.

Post of the day!!!!

 

[dargonking999]

Title ix is a crock and certainly shouldn't supercede the basic constitutional spririt of innocence until guilt proven. Urban did what he was supposed to do and alerted his boss. He owes the media nothing.

One problem with that statement

The basic constitutional right is that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

A public university is not a court of law, and does not have to give you the presumption of innocence before doling out punishment under its own rules of conduct.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I have no idea if he abused her or didn't abuse her. I have no idea if she is seeking revenge or not. I have no idea if Meyer knew about the accusations or not. It sounds as if you have made your mind up of what happened and what everyone's motives are.

I have an opinion based on the information available. You are either too lazy to research the subject or not able to comprehend what you are reading.

 

[atlantacowboy]

One problem with that statement

The basic constitutional right is that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

A public university is not a court of law, and does not have to give you the presumption of innocence before doling out punishment under its own rules of conduct.

I'm not going to debate someone who misquotes me. Try reading again. Your point is moot in the context of what I actually wrote.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Post of the day!!!!

Thats a pretty low bar. You must be a snowflake generation cowboy fan.

 

[Silver Surfer]

I think 3 games is way overkill. How do you fire a guy whose not been convicted of anything? Sad state affairs in this country when a mere accusation can bring someone's career to an end. What happened between Zach Smith and his wife was never an issue until they got divorced and she decided to hatch a revenge plan. But she's rewarded. A man's career is ruined and Urban gets 3 games for not "handling" a situation that wasn't his to handle.

I spoke to a college coach in my family who told me that he was "required" to tell the administration in the event of a harassment claim due to the terms of Title IX. I also read that Meyer had signed a contract earlier this year that required him to do also. If those things are true, I'm surprised OSU didn't fire him for violating his contract and putting the university at risk. I think they may be able to justify this because the woman involved is not attending the school, but I'm not sure about that.

 

[joseephuss]

I have an opinion based on the information available. You are either too lazy to research the subject or not able to comprehend what you are reading.

Exactly my point, you have an opinion on the matter, but your opinion nor mine are actual facts of the situation. My comprehension skills are just fine. I'm just not jumping to any conclusions on the matter.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Exactly my point, you have an opinion on the matter, but your opinion nor mine are actual facts of the situation. My comprehension skills are just fine. I'm just not jumping to any conclusions on the matter.

Meyer has already admitted he knew about the allegations and was not telling the truth at the presser. We actually do know what he knew and when. Turns out, he followed protocol and didn't violate any terms of his contract as written at the time which makes the fact he was punished all the more absurd.

We also know that no charges were filed against Zach. He's never been prosecuted or convicted. It doesn't take a lot of detective work to question the timing of this news. Seems it was only an issue after the divorce.

This same kind of witch hunt investigation that circumvents an actual fair process is also what Roger does in the NFL, and i'm against it.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I spoke to a college coach in my family who told me that he was "required" to tell the administration in the event of a harassment claim due to the terms of Title IX. I also read that Meyer had signed a contract earlier this year that required him to do also. If those things are true, I'm surprised OSU didn't fire him for violating his contract and putting the university at risk. I think they may be able to justify this because the woman involved is not attending the school, but I'm not sure about that.

This "transgression" happened in 2015 and his new contract cannot be retroactively enforced. He followed protocol and is basically being suspended for not being judge, jury, and executioner back in 2015.

 

[Silver Surfer]

This "transgression" happened in 2015 and his new contract cannot be retroactively enforced. He followed protocol and is basically being suspended for not being judge, jury, and executioner back in 2015.

His transgression came after he signed the contract stipulating he must communicate to the school. He lied at OSU's media day in July and said he hadn't heard about the 2015 incident. When asked, he should have responded with something like "no comment" or "I'm not discussing the matter".

 

[atlantacowboy]

His transgression came after he signed the contract stipulating he must communicate to the school. He lied at OSU's media day in July and said he hadn't heard about the 2015 incident. When asked, he should have responded with something like "no comment" or "I'm not discussing the matter".

Communicating to the school and to the media are not the same. Here's how nuts Title IX is at these schools............ if someone under you is merely suspected of sexual misconduct, it is not enough to report it to your boss (which Urban did) but you also have to report it to a title ix enforcement committee (which he did not). So, the reputation of someone is basically smeared all over the campus before any wrong doing has been proven. You wouldn't protect a friend and colleague from such a witch hunt? Nobody would want to work for you. These are rules that require people to rat out out other people or face punishment. Its gestapo tactics better suited for Stalin era russia. .........but hey, how far off are college campuses from that anyway.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Communicating to the school and to the media are not the same. Here's how nuts Title IX is at these schools............ if someone under you is merely suspected of sexual misconduct, it is not enough to report it to your boss (which Urban did) but you also have to report it to a title ix enforcement committee (which he did not). So, the reputation of someone is basically smeared all over the campus before any wrong doing has been proven. You wouldn't protect a friend and colleague from such a witch hunt? Nobody would want to work for you. These are rules that require people to rat out out other people or face punishment. Its gestapo tactics better suited for Stalin era russia. .........but hey, how far off are college campuses from that anyway.

You can use all the hyperbole you want. The law doesn't give a rats azz about your opinion. When he signed that contract, it became a binding legal agreement and he was required to perform according to its terms. Period.

My friends, and even my family, should know if they beat their wife, I'm not covering for them. They can, and should, go to jail. If I got wind that someone working for me was beating their wife, there'd be one, count 'em, one discussion. Next time I hear about it and its proven - they're done. Adios.

There are things that are right, and there are things that are wrong. Beating your wife is pretty black and white to me. I come from a family where my father got out of his car at an intersection, opened the door to a stranger's car, pulled the woman being beaten from the car, reached across and punched the man in the drivers' seat in the face. He then drove her home. We have absolutely no, and I mean no, tolerance for that crap.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The abuse was "never an issue"? Really?

You guys should go do some research on Title IX enforcement on campuses.

There hasn't been an abuse/domestic violence case discussed on the board where atlantacowboy believed the woman was actually the victim. It's well documented in each thread.