PlayStation 4 'Orbis' Rumors: AMD Hardware, Hostile To Used Games

YosemiteSam · Mar 30, 2012

I've bought my last console. I won't buy anymore. Especially with this anti-used game DRM crap.

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Kotaku reports some 'details' about Sony's next console given to them by a 'reliable source.' They say that the console's codename is Orbis, and it is planned for release by the 2013 holiday season. Developers are reportedly being told to plan for an AMD x64 CPU and AMD Southern Islands GPU. Further on, they mention that there will be no PS3 backwards compatibility and, like rumors about the next Xbox, will have anti-used game DRM. Specifically, 'new games for the system will be available one of two ways, either on a Blu-Ray disc or as a PSN download (yes, even full retail titles). If you buy the disc, it must be locked to a single PSN account. ... If you then decide to trade that disc in, the pre-owned customer picking it up will be limited in what they can do. ... it's believed used games will be limited to a trial mode or some other form of content restriction, with consumers having to pay a fee to unlock/register the full game.'"

Dallas · Mar 30, 2012

Sam I Am;4487271 said:
I've bought my last console. I won't buy anymore. Especially with this anti-used game DRM crap.

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Kotaku reports some 'details' about Sony's next console given to them by a 'reliable source.' They say that the console's codename is Orbis, and it is planned for release by the 2013 holiday season. Developers are reportedly being told to plan for an AMD x64 CPU and AMD Southern Islands GPU. Further on, they mention that there will be no PS3 backwards compatibility and, like rumors about the next Xbox, will have anti-used game DRM. Specifically, 'new games for the system will be available one of two ways, either on a Blu-Ray disc or as a PSN download (yes, even full retail titles). If you buy the disc, it must be locked to a single PSN account. ... If you then decide to trade that disc in, the pre-owned customer picking it up will be limited in what they can do. ... it's believed used games will be limited to a trial mode or some other form of content restriction, with consumers having to pay a fee to unlock/register the full game.'"

The push back will be huge if so. Talk about pissing the customer off further. If fans dont' have the assistance of used / trade ins etc, they devs could be biting OFF the hands that feeds them.

They companies are getting terrible advice from industry experts.

How to stop your customers from finally buying your products substantialy, do this.

I just don't see it going that route unless they drastically decrease the cost of console games and even pc titles.

Everyone must learn it I guess. I just see this blowing up in their faces.

Hoofbite · Mar 30, 2012

That's the lamest thing ever.

We're gonna lock you out of playing used games?

What a joke.

So video game rentals are just obsolete?

How can they even do such a thing?

Cajuncowboy · Mar 30, 2012

Hoofbite;4487280 said:
That's the lamest thing ever.

We're gonna lock you out of playing used games?

What a joke.

So video game rentals are just obsolete?

How can they even do such a thing?

It's gonna kill companies like Gamefly and Gamestop.

They can essentially close their doors.

It's a stupid business practice.

TellerMorrow34 · Mar 30, 2012

I don't see any shot of that actually happening.

To do such a thing would make it pointless, and near impossible, to bother renting games and it would kill sales for places like Gamestop who do a lot of money in trading games and such.

I just don't see this actually happening cause there is no way you could possibly sell this idea to a consumer.

Either way it won't effect me. I've only had a 360 for just under 2 years and I don't plan on upgrading to any new systems any time soon.

Ren · Mar 30, 2012

I don't really buy used or trade inn my games so while it's a Richard move it's not really a deal breaker for me.

No backwards compatibility is though, I still play some PS2 game and i need a PS2 to play them and the PS3 is more then capable of running them but doesn't. Early models can play PS2 games and you can buy PS2 games in the PSN store to play on your PS3.
Having to keep the old PS2 around for PS2 games is kinda lame having to keep a PS3 around for those game on top of that is REALLY lame

basstapp · Mar 30, 2012

ummm... http://global.christianpost.com/news/ps4-rumors-analyst-says-sony-will-not-block-used-games-72394/

YosemiteSam · Mar 30, 2012

basstapp;4487314 said:
ummm... http://global.christianpost.com/news/ps4-rumors-analyst-says-sony-will-not-block-used-games-72394/

At some point it will be true. That point is stated in the article. Once games go download only, you won't be able to trade them in.

Alumni2k11 · Mar 30, 2012

Cajuncowboy;4487286 said:
It's gonna kill companies like Gamefly and Gamestop.

They can essentially close their doors.

It's a stupid business practice.

Yup. The only reason I've kept playing games is because I can purchase used ones for so cheap. It's rare I pick up a game that just came out.

Ren · Mar 30, 2012

Alumni2k11;4487318 said:
Yup. The only reason I've kept playing games is because I can purchase used ones for so cheap. It's rare I pick up a game that just came out.

In Europe retailers who don't do trade inn drop the price of new games within months of release to compete with the once that do.
I can get new games only a few months old cheaper then gamestop sells used games.

All game publishers need to do is drop the price after the initial rush of sales and suddenly used games doesn't look all that attractive anymore

JonJon · Mar 30, 2012

Dallas;4487278 said:
The push back will be huge if so. Talk about pissing the customer off further. If fans dont' have the assistance of used / trade ins etc, they devs could be biting OFF the hands that feeds them.

They companies are getting terrible advice from industry experts.

How to stop your customers from finally buying your products substantialy, do this.

I just don't see it going that route unless they drastically decrease the cost of console games and even pc titles.

Everyone must learn it I guess. I just see this blowing up in their faces.

If anything, I think the games would be fully playable offline, but if you want to go online, you will have to purchase some sort of online code. It is already in effect for most games coming out recently, for example, Madden 12. All the offline features are available if you buy it used, but you must purchase an online pass if you wish to play online.

Cowboys&LakersFan · Mar 30, 2012

Ridiculous.

arglebargle · Mar 30, 2012

Richard move??! That's funny.

Agree that it is one. The game publishers have been peeved at the secondary resale market that they get no profits from, so this sort of thing just follows.

Will be interesting to see if there is a backlash. Sony has not been the best at handling things lately. This could be another misstep. Though the NeXtbox could do the same thing.

At least it is a move up from the dated, hamstrung, six year old technology on the console boxes that have been holding back game design for so long.

viman96 · Mar 30, 2012

I agree this is crap. I rarely play games any more but have several consoles for my kids. We let me buy new and used games. We let them trade in their old games for credit at Gamestop to help them offset the costs on new games.

Cythim · Mar 30, 2012

Is this any different from what has happened on PCs since the beginning of the computer gaming industry? Has anyone ever bought a used copy of a PC game?

speedkilz88 · Mar 30, 2012

How long would that last if consumers just said "NO", I'm not buying your system then.

Alumni2k11 · Mar 31, 2012

Ren;4487383 said:
In Europe retailers who don't do trade inn drop the price of new games within months of release to compete with the once that do.
I can get new games only a few months old cheaper then gamestop sells used games.

All game publishers need to do is drop the price after the initial rush of sales and suddenly used games doesn't look all that attractive anymore

That wouldn't be to bad then.

Duane · Mar 31, 2012

If they went to a Steam model it wouldn't be too bad. Continuous sales of various games, lots of indie games at low prices, sign in online and play anywhere you're at, etc...

casmith07 · Mar 31, 2012

I'll still buy games. I buy all my games new anyway.

TellerMorrow34 · Mar 31, 2012

speedkilz88;4487616 said:
How long would that last if consumers just said "NO", I'm not buying your system then.

If the vast majority of people did that and actually followed through with it then that idea would be dropped super quickly.

The problem is that you won't get enough people to actually go through with it to hurt their sales enough to make them think twice about it.

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