Polish president dies in plane crash

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Partial list of the dead.

Lech Kaczyński - the President

Maria Kaczyńska - the First Lady

Ryszard Kaczorowski - last Polish President in exile

Jerzy Szmajdziński - Vice Speaker of the Lower House (left wing leader)

Krzysztof Putra - Vice Speaker of the Lower House

Władysław Stasiak - chief of the President's Chancellary

Aleksander Szczygło - chief of the Office for National Security

Paweł Wypych - presidential Secrtetary of state

Mariusz Handzlik - as above

Andrzej Kremer - vice Minister of Foreign Affairs

gen. Franciszek Gągor - chief of staff of the Polish Army

Przemysław Gosiewski - rigth wing prominent politician

Zbigniew Wassermann - as above

Janusz Kochanowski - Polish ombudsman

Sławomir Skrzypek - chief of the Polish National Bank

Janusz Kurtyka - chief of the institute for the National Rememberance

Bishop Tadeusz Płoski - Catholic field bishop of the Polish Army (head Catholic chaplain)

Archbishop Miron Chodakowski - Orthodox field bishop of the Polish Army

And many, many, many others ....

Prayers for the Polish people.
 

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Dang. That's a list there. That had to have been their version of Air Force One for so many major political figures to be riding on it.

Prayers for their country and the families affected by this.
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/04/10/poland.president.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1

(CNN) -- Polish President Lech Kaczynski was killed early Saturday along with his wife, several top military officials, and the head of the national bank when their plane crashed at a western Russian airport, officials said.

"There are no survivors," said Sergey Antufyev, the governor of Smolensk, where the plane was trying to land when it crashed.

A spokesman for Poland's Foreign Ministry, Piotr Paszkowski, said earlier that it was probable that everyone on board was killed.

Information varied on how many people were on board the plane. The Polish Foreign Ministry and Defense Ministry said 89 people died in the crash. The Russian Investigation Committee said there were 132 people on the plane.

Parliament Speaker Bronislaw Komorowski took over as acting president and declared it "a time for national mourning."

The president, 60, had been traveling with the Polish delegation to Russia for the 70th anniversary of the massacre of Polish prisoners of war in the village of Katyn. Some 20,000 Polish officers were executed there during World War II.

The Polish military plane originated in Warsaw, the Polish Defense Ministry said. It was approaching the airport at Smolensk -- just a few miles east of Katyn -- and probably hit some trees at the end of the runway, Paszkowski said.

The Investigation Committee of the Russian prosecutor's office said the plane, a Tupolev-154, was trying to land in heavy fog.

Kaczynski's Law and Justice Party released a list of some of those it said were killed in the crash. They included Aleksander Szczyglo, the head of the National Security Office; Jerzy Szmajdzinski, the deputy parliament speaker; Andrzej Kremer, the deputy foreign minister; and Gen. Franciszek Gagor, the army chief of staff, according to the party.

"The entire top military brass, including the chief of defense and all the services, were on the plane," said Tomas Valasek, of the Center for European Reform. "If that is true, then you're looking at a situation, in effect, of the decapitation of the military services."

Pictures from the scene showed parts of the airplane charred and strewn through a wooded area. Some pieces, including one of the wheel wells, were upside down.

The crash happened around 10:50 a.m. (2:50 a.m. ET) on the outskirts of the town of Pechorsk, just outside of Smolensk, the Investigation Committee said.

"This is a time of great national tragedy," Komorowski told reporters. "At this time there are no political differences, left or right. This is a time of national mourning."

Kaczynski had been president since December 2005 after he defeated rival Donald Tusk in the second round of voting. Tusk is currently prime minister.
Crowds gathered at the presidential palace in Warsaw to lay flowers and light candles for the president, whose death raises questions for Poland's government.

"Everything has changed today," said Jan Mikruta, a reporter for TV Polsat.
Tusk and Polish Cabinet ministers were holding a special meeting Saturday morning to discuss the situation, said a spokeswoman for the Polish Parliament, who declined to be named because she was not authorized to speak publicly.

Elections must now be held within 60 days, said Dariusz Rosati, Poland's former foreign minister.

"There is going to be a huge gap in public life in Poland," said resident Magdalena Hendrysiak. "The most important people are dead."

At the same time, Hendrysiak said, the president's death may have a unifying effect.

"I think it will be one of those situations that no one will care about their political preferences," she told CNN. "I think we're going to end up as pretty united in the face of such a tragedy."

Valasek pointed out, however, that the Polish president is the head of state, not head of government -- meaning essential services will continue to run.

"The role of the Polish president is not quite ceremonial ... he has some very real powers, but at the end of the day, the day-to-day running of the government is in the hands of the prime minister and the (cabinet) ministers," Valasek said. "Continuity is assured in ways that would not necessarily be assured in the case of the death of the U.S. president."

Condolences poured in from around the world Saturday, including from British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who was campaigning in Scotland.

Brown praised the contributions Kaczynski had made to Polish independence.
"This is a horrible tragedy," said Philip Crowley, the U.S. assistant secretary for public affairs. "We extend to the people of Poland our deepest condolences."

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said he learned of Kaczynski's death with "great emotion and a deep sadness" and expressed his sympathy to the families of the president and other victims.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai also expressed his condolences, as did the chairman of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

"I offer my deepest condolences to the Polish people and to the families of those killed in this tragic accident. Our hearts go out to you in this difficult time," said OSCE Chairman Kaunat Saudabayev, who is also the secretary of state and foreign minister of Kazakhstan.

Valasek said the crash is a tragic coincidence, since the Polish officials were on their way to commemorate the deaths of top Polish officials at Katyn 70 years ago.

"The very fact that he was on his way to (commemorate) the massacre suggested that Polish-Russian relations, which of course had been very poor over the past 20 years, were on the way towards improvement," Valasek said. "A shared tragedy of this sort could give a boost to further improvement in Polish-Russian relations, which ... were on the mend, and this tragedy might accelerate that trend."

The partial list of those killed published on the Web site of President Lech Kaczynski's Law and Justice Party includes:

Lech Kaczynski -- Polish president
Maria Kaczynska -- The president's wife
Ryszard Kaczorowski -- Poland's last president-in-exile
Aleksander Szczyglo -- head of the National Security Office
Pawel Wypych -- presidential aide
Mariusz Handzlik -- presidential aide
Jerzy Szmajdzinski -- deputy parliament speaker
Andrzej Kremer -- Deputy Foreign Minister
Gen. Franciszek Gagor -- head of the army chief of staff
Andrzej Przewoznik -- minister in charge of WWII memorials
Slawomir Skrzypek -- head of the National Bank of Poland
Janusz Kurtyka -- head of the National Remembrance Institute
Przemyslaw Gosiewski -- lawmaker
Zbigniew Wassermann -- lawmaker
Grzegorz Dolniak -- lawmaker
Janusz Kochanowski -- civil rights commissioner
Bishop Tadeusz Ploski -- army chaplain

CNN's Melissa Gray in London, England, and Max Tkachenko in Moscow, Russia, contributed to this report.
 

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Horrible news and thoughts and prayers to the people and their families.

I still have to wonder who allowed all the same people to be on that one plane. I know that even for our corporation (~13,000 employees) there are rules about how many and who can be in the same car/place in case of a tradgedy like this.
 

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It was incredibly foolish to have all of them flying on one plane.
 

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Duane;3341092 said:
Horrible news and thoughts and prayers to the people and their families.

I still have to wonder who allowed all the same people to be on that one plane. I know that even for our corporation (~13,000 employees) there are rules about how many and who can be in the same car/place in case of a tradgedy like this.


Maybe their country does things differently. There was talk the plane was 20 years out of date. The people screamed "why not update it or have a new plane"? Simple reason, they couldnt afford it.
 

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ShiningStar;3341386 said:
Maybe their country does things differently. There was talk the plane was 20 years out of date. The people screamed "why not update it or have a new plane"? Simple reason, they couldnt afford it.

Maybe so, but right now it's sounding like weather/pilot error.
 

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bbgun;3341401 said:
Maybe so, but right now it's sounding like weather/pilot error.
Had a great deal to do with the pilots refusing to take advice from the air tower controllers who advised them not to land at that air strip due to heavy fog. Being an old plane probably had to play a part too. It's a shame all of them died especially if it is because some pilots decided to ignore advice from controllers. Some cruel irony too because they crashed in the same area of a Polish massacre they were flying to visit.
 

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There's got to be somewhere for them to make cuts so they can buy a better plane and pay a better pilot to fly the most important people in the country around.

Talk about being inept.
 

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Since we're no longer having to spend the money for the missile defense shield for their country,we should be able to give them a good old Boeing aircraft,instead of the Russian TU-154 they were flying. What a POS that airplane is.
 

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ologan;3341654 said:
Since we're no longer having to spend the money for the missile defense shield for their country,we should be able to give them a good old Boeing aircraft,instead of the Russian TU-154 they were flying. What a POS that airplane is.

It's not our fault.
 

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ologan;3341654 said:
Since we're no longer having to spend the money for the missile defense shield for their country,we should be able to give them a good old Boeing aircraft,instead of the Russian TU-154 they were flying. What a POS that airplane is.

Jon88;3341692 said:
It's not our fault.

Ok guys I can see where this is heading just remember the board rules.
 

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Jon88;3341729 said:
I know the rules.

Me too....Not trying to make it anything more than what it is. I guess it doesn't make any difference who made the plane if the pilot is a dud.(Although I still believe in the adage "If it ain't Boeing,I ain't going").
 

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some snapshots of those who perished

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