Rangers to make a run at Zack Greinke

[The Horned Frog]

This from the Kansas City Star:
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/10/2417935/royals-notebook-bannister-anderson.html

The word from Texas, which is swimming in money from a new TV deal, is the Rangers plan to make a pitch for Zack Greinke regardless of whether they succeed in retaining free-agent lefty Cliff Lee.

The Red Sox and Blue Jays have also expressed interest in Greinke.

I know previously, I had stated I felt the Yanks would make a major push for Greinke, however then discovered this gem.. He has a no trade clause, and has the Mets, Yankees and Red Sox as a list of teams he wouldn't accept a no trade clause to. Texas is on the list of teams he would accept a trade to.

If this is accurate, in the worst case scenario, the Rangers lose Lee and gain Greinke, which isn't that big of a step back, if at all. Best case scenario, they have an incredible 1-2 punch at the top of their rotation, and have a hell of a rotation in general.

 

[Stautner]

Lee, Geinke, Wilson, Lewis and Hunter would be among the best pitching staffs in baseball. I don't think it's really a possibility, but it's a nice dream.

 

[tko112204]

This from the Kansas City Star:
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/11/10/2417935/royals-notebook-bannister-anderson.html



I know previously, I had stated I felt the Yanks would make a major push for Greinke, however then discovered this gem.. He has a no trade clause, and has the Mets, Yankees and Red Sox as a list of teams he wouldn't accept a no trade clause to. Texas is on the list of teams he would accept a trade to.

If this is accurate, in the worst case scenario, the Rangers lose Lee and gain Greinke, which isn't that big of a step back, if at all. Best case scenario, they have an incredible 1-2 punch at the top of their rotation, and have a hell of a rotation in general.

A deal for Greinke would start with Andrus and Holland. Or Perez. Not sure if they keep Lee that it's worth it to part with talent like that for a headcase like Greinke. Don't get me wrong, he's awesome. And would be a decent fall back plan if they fail to sign Lee. But if I'm gonna trade Perez and Andrus. Or Moreland and Perez. Or a package that starts along those lines, I better need Greinke in a bad way. And if you already have Lee, you don't.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Lee, Geinke, Wilson, Lewis and Hunter would be among the best pitching staffs in baseball. I don't think it's really a possibility, but it's a nice dream.

Why wouldn't it be possible? Greinke would be a trade, the real money being spent would be Lee. I think Texas is a small enough no-pressure place to play for Greinke and if Texas lands Grienke, thats just another reason for Lee to stay in Texas.

That would be one nasty starting rotation.

 

[YosemiteSam]

A deal for Greinke would start with Andrus and Holland. Or Perez. Not sure if they keep Lee that it's worth it to part with talent like that for a headcase like Greinke. Don't get me wrong, he's awesome. And would be a decent fall back plan if they fail to sign Lee. But if I'm gonna trade Perez and Andrus. Or Moreland and Perez. Or a package that starts along those lines, I better need Greinke in a bad way. And if you already have Lee, you don't.

No it wouldn't. Andrus would never be part of the deal. You know nothing of what you speak.

 

[tko112204]

No it wouldn't. Andrus would never be part of the deal. You know nothing of what you speak.

Considering the Royals want a front line starter prospect (Perez) and THREE other top of the line (A-B+) prospects, I'm curious how you'd structure a deal that didn't include him.

You 8 week old baseball fans are precious...

 

[The Horned Frog]

Considering the Royals want a front line starter prospect (Perez) and THREE other top of the line (A-B+) prospects, I'm curious how you'd structure a deal that didn't include him.

You 8 week old baseball fans are precious...

Greinke isn't going to come cheaply by any means.

To be perfectly honest, I fully expect all trade discussions to begin and end with Martin Perez. In fact, I'm fully expecting them to ask for Perez AND Tanner Scheppers; and it really wouldn't stun me to see them ask for Miguel Velasquez too.

I just don't see them asking for Andrus.

 

[tko112204]

Greinke isn't going to come cheaply by any means. I just don't think they're asking for Andrus. Holland and Perez, yes. Moreland is also possible.

But wouldn't you consider trading his .600 OPS so you can protect some of that good young pitching? I mean, Andrus is a terrific defender, but his only discernible batting skill is taking a walk. Has no power, and is a low-instincts base runner who gets caught stealing enough to dissuade him from running.

I just think trading him is better than emptying out Perez, Holland,and Ross? Or even worse, giving up Scheppers and Perez?

I suppose the deal could look like this: Perez, Holland, Profar and Moreland. That would probably get it done. You on board for that?

 

[tko112204]

Greinke isn't going to come cheaply by any means.

To be perfectly honest, I fully expect all trade discussions to begin and end with Martin Perez. In fact, I'm fully expecting them to ask for Perez AND Tanner Scheppers; and it really wouldn't stun me to see them ask for Miguel Velasquez too.

I just don't see them asking for Andrus.

Why would you rather have Andrus than Scheppers? When the one thing the Rangers have had trouble developing on their own is SP?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Considering the Royals want a front line starter prospect (Perez) and THREE other top of the line (A-B+) prospects, I'm curious how you'd structure a deal that didn't include him.

You 8 week old baseball fans are precious...

8 week old baseball fan? I've been a hard core Rangers fan since the early 80s. Don't bring you dolt *** comments here captain front runner.

The Rangers still have one the most talent ladened minor league farm systems in baseball. They were ranked as the BEST minor league system in baseball in 2009 and 2nd best in 2010, but wouldn't someone with elite baseball knowledge like yourself would have a clue. Of course, you don't.

Move along sap, you aren't welcome here.

 

[tko112204]

8 week old baseball fan? I've been a hard core Rangers fan since the early 80s. Don't bring you dolt *** comments here captain front runner.

The Rangers still have one the most talent ladened minor league farm systems in baseball. They were ranked as the BEST minor league system in baseball in 2009 and 2nd best in 2010, but wouldn't someone with elite baseball knowledge like yourself would have a clue. Of course, you don't.

Move along sap, you aren't welcome here.

That system is still very talented. But the Royals want a Texeira or Bartolo Colon-type haul for Greinke or they will just let him walk after 2012 and collect the draft picks and continue to stock THEIR system, which is currently the best in baseball.


Captain front runner? Dolt? Sap? That's rather rude, when I haven't done anything other than state my opinion on what I think it will take to get Greinke. I never called you out. I don't know what your problem is with me, but it's getting old. Horned Frog and I are having a nice conversation and your insult "ladened" post was unnecessary.

 

[The Horned Frog]

Why would you rather have Andrus than Scheppers? When the one thing the Rangers have had trouble developing on their own is SP?

Thing is TKO, they'd be getting a 27 year old pitcher who is generally regarded as one of the better ones in the game, despite playing on a franchise that has been less than stellar.

On top of things, you can have all the young arms you want, if you don't have defense backing it up, it's a moot point. Andrus is arguably one of the Rangers' best defensive players, and his defense at SS is invaluable. Plus, he too is young and rightfully part of Texas' long term plans.

If we were talking about this trade for a bat, I'd be against even CONSIDERING trading Scheppers and Perez. As is, I'm in the middle about trading either, however you would be getting one of baseball's best young arms, and you'd be potentially trotting out one of the best rotations in baseball (if Lee sticks).

Trading arms like Perez and Schepp sucks. However, they'd be getting a relatively YOUNG arm back in return, and STILL have a system full of young arms.

It wouldn't be cutting their nose off inspite of their faces, IMO.

 

[tko112204]

I guess the "8 week old baseball fan" line was a little rude.

I apologize.

You do seem to know what you're talking about most of the time.

 

[tko112204]

Thing is TKO, they'd be getting a 27 year old pitcher who is generally regarded as one of the better ones in the game, despite playing on a franchise that has been less than stellar.

On top of things, you can have all the young arms you want, if you don't have defense backing it up, it's a moot point. Andrus is arguably one of the Rangers' best defensive players, and his defense at SS is invaluable. Plus, he too is young and rightfully part of Texas' long term plans.

If we were talking about this trade for a bat, I'd be against even CONSIDERING trading Scheppers and Perez. As is, I'm in the middle about trading either, however you would be getting one of baseball's best young arms, and you'd be potentially trotting out one of the best rotations in baseball (if Lee sticks).

Good point. What's the window then? Could they resign Greinke after 2012 if they have Lee signed for uber-bucks?

Gotta remember, Scheppers and Perez are cheap and controlled for a LONG time.

 

[The Horned Frog]

That system is still very talented. But the Royals want a Texeira or Bartolo Colon-type haul for Greinke or they will just let him walk after 2012 and collect the draft picks and continue to stock THEIR system, which is currently the best in baseball.

I could see him staying in Texas to be honest.

With Texas' forthcoming cash flow, he could get paid handsomely. He also could be in a market that I think he would approve of quickly. He wants nothing to do with New York or Boston, I doubt he'd want Chicago either. I think Dallas-Ft. Worth-Arlington could offer him a nice alternate.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I never called you out. I don't know what your problem is with me, but it's getting old. Horned Frog and I are having a nice conversation and your insult "ladened" post was unnecessary.

So you were not calling me out when you called me an 8 week old fan? What a damn liar you are. Not to mention this isn't the first time you've said something like that. I think you are a smug punk *** who sticks around because you feel good that the Giants won the WS and want to act like you are some all-knowning baseball oracle.

Personally, I don't give a damn what you like and don't like. I DON'T LIKE YOU. You are on my **** list and will remain there.

Like I said, go find a Giants board. At least there you won't have me hating on you.

 

[The Horned Frog]

Good point. What's the window then? Could they resign Greinke after 2012 if they have Lee signed for uber-bucks?

Gotta remember, Scheppers and Perez are cheap and controlled for a LONG time.

Agree on them being controlled cheap. The downside of trading for Greinke would be the possibility that he COULD walk in 2012, and they'd essentially be giving up 5-6 years of Scheppers and Perez for potentially two of Greinke.

Thing is though, this isn't the Tom Hicks cash-strapped Rangers. This Ranger team is estimated to bring in a load of money, which would make the possibililty of keeping Greinke beyond 2012 very realistic.

 

[tko112204]

I could see him staying in Texas to be honest.

With Texas' forthcoming cash flow, he could get paid handsomely. He also could be in a market that I think he would approve of quickly. He wants nothing to do with New York or Boston, I doubt he'd want Chicago either. I think Dallas-Ft. Worth-Arlington could offer him a nice alternate.

It is much more his speed. Minnesota is another popular rumor for a landing spot for him. Not sure what they would give up for him, but they would be a force if they had him and Liriano to back up that lineup.

This winter is going to be very interesting for sure. Between Lee, Crawford, the Greinke trade possibility, lots going on...

 

[tko112204]

So you were not calling me out when you called me an 8 week old fan? What a damn liar you are. Not to mention this isn't the first time you've said something like that. I think you are a smug punk *** who sticks around because you feel good that the Giants won the WS and want to act like you are some all-knowning baseball oracle.

Personally, I don't give a damn what you like and don't like. I DON'T LIKE YOU. You are on my **** list and will remain there.

Like I said, go find a Giants board. At least there you won't have me hating on you.

Reading is fundamental. *******.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Reading is fundamental. *******.

I hate you and am going to continue hating on you until the day you die.