CFZ Revisiting The First Giants Drive

McMicah

McMicah

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,256
Reaction score
2,835
A lot of people are citing that the Cowboys run D problems are still around by referencing that first Giants drive. I went back and watched again today and noticed the following:

1. There wasn’t a 1T on the field until they got in our redzone. It was Gholston and Osa pretty much the whole way until they got to the redzone. In fact, the first play with Hankins in there was a rush for 0 yards for Barkley.

2. Jones had more success than Saquan. I don’t even think Saquan rushed for 20 yds that first drive. He had one 9-yarder, and two 5-yarders. It was really Jones scrambling that hurt us. I think he scrambled over 30 yards.

3. The unnecessary roughness penalty on Jayron Kearse made it seem artificially worse. The defense actually played pretty well

Bonus: The more I watch that game the more I’m amazed we didn’t get 10 sacks. So many times we were right in Jones face or we tackled him and he fell forward over the LOS. Also Gholston had a sack called back due to a downfield penalty. This defense is insane.
 
jujoboys

jujoboys

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,827
Reaction score
3,218
McMicah said:
Another interesting thing is that Saquan only got 53 yards total. Jones got over 40 scrambling, so that is driving a lot of that talk. Yes we need to contain QBs better but clearly it was not a major factor
Click to expand...
We did great containing Jones after the first drive. On the first drive he had 3 runs for 27 yards. After that first drive he had 10 runs for 16 yards. As far as Barkley goes he had 51 yards on 12 carries. However, one of those carries was 18 yards so he had only 33 yards on the other 11 carries.
 
adamknite

adamknite

Well-Known Member
Messages
4,226
Reaction score
805
I don't get it honestly. Every great defense ever has allowed drives. The greatest run defense of all time has allowed people to rush on them on occasions... it's not some magical thing that is never going to happen if we have a legit defense. We adjusted and ended up pulverizing them. That shouldn't be a knock against our D. You would think it would be the opposite way actually.

Note: We still might have issues defending the run and maybe time will tell, I'm just saying this game and that one drive weren't a huge indicator of either line of thinking.
 
McMicah

McMicah

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,256
Reaction score
2,835
My favorite part of the broadcast is after the 5th Forced fumble, Collinsworth is like “They are destroying the Giants. Just DESTROYING them”
:lmao::lmao::lmao:
 
nightrain

nightrain

Since 1971
Messages
14,927
Reaction score
24,989
Giants O > Jets O

Cowboys will shut the Jets offense down. Yes, Rodgers would have made a difference, but enough to win this game.
 
CCBoy

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
46,747
Reaction score
22,468
The Cowboys last year gave up at least 106 yards rushing in 11 of 17 regular-season games with a high of 240 in a win over the Chicago Bears. They gave up at least 136 yards rushing in all five of their regular season losses, including 207 rushing yards in the overtime loss to Green Bay and 192 in the overtime loss to Jacksonville. Plus, another 113 and a touchdown in the second-round playoff loss to San Francisco,

Heck, even in this past Sunday's smothering of the Giants they were nicked for 108 yards rushing, although 68 of those were in the Giants' game-opening possession.

The Cowboys have led the NFL in takeaways in each of the past two seasons, the first repeat leaders since the 1972-74 Pittsburgh Steelers, and did finish third in sacks last year with 54, just one behind second-place Kansas City. He's right, teams would rather not have to throw the ball against this Dallas defense, at least not more than they must. So they run as much as reasonable.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-running-by-this-defensive-concern-again

For evidence in that emotional come-from-behind, overtime victory over Buffalo, and that's with Wilson at quarterback for all but those opening four snaps, the Jets rushed for 172 yards, averaging 6.1 yards a carry. For context, that's one more total yard than the Giants gained against the Cowboys (171), and nearly three times the Giants total average PER play (2.8 yards) in the opener.



This is where the strength of the Dallas team has to grow stronger. Not with injuries amounting either in taking care of this part of the game.
 
THEHEREAFTER

THEHEREAFTER

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,861
Reaction score
6,300
McMicah said:
A lot of people are citing that the Cowboys run D problems are still around by referencing that first Giants drive. I went back and watched again today and noticed the following:

1. There wasn’t a 1T on the field until they got in our redzone. It was Gholston and Osa pretty much the whole way until they got to the redzone. In fact, the first play with Hankins in there was a rush for 0 yards for Barkley.

2. Jones had more success than Saquan. I don’t even think Saquan rushed for 20 yds that first drive. He had one 9-yarder, and two 5-yarders. It was really Jones scrambling that hurt us. I think he scrambled over 30 yards.

3. The unnecessary roughness penalty on Jayron Kearse made it seem artificially worse. The defense actually played pretty well

Bonus: The more I watch that game the more I’m amazed we didn’t get 10 sacks. So many times we were right in Jones face or we tackled him and he fell forward over the LOS. Also Gholston had a sack called back due to a downfield penalty. This defense is insane.
Click to expand...
I still believe Micah should have been awarded a sack on that errant snap and Jones recovery.
 
CCBoy

CCBoy

Well-Known Member
Messages
46,747
Reaction score
22,468
CCBoy said:
The Cowboys last year gave up at least 106 yards rushing in 11 of 17 regular-season games with a high of 240 in a win over the Chicago Bears. They gave up at least 136 yards rushing in all five of their regular season losses, including 207 rushing yards in the overtime loss to Green Bay and 192 in the overtime loss to Jacksonville. Plus, another 113 and a touchdown in the second-round playoff loss to San Francisco,

Heck, even in this past Sunday's smothering of the Giants they were nicked for 108 yards rushing, although 68 of those were in the Giants' game-opening possession.

The Cowboys have led the NFL in takeaways in each of the past two seasons, the first repeat leaders since the 1972-74 Pittsburgh Steelers, and did finish third in sacks last year with 54, just one behind second-place Kansas City. He's right, teams would rather not have to throw the ball against this Dallas defense, at least not more than they must. So they run as much as reasonable.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-running-by-this-defensive-concern-again

For evidence in that emotional come-from-behind, overtime victory over Buffalo, and that's with Wilson at quarterback for all but those opening four snaps, the Jets rushed for 172 yards, averaging 6.1 yards a carry. For context, that's one more total yard than the Giants gained against the Cowboys (171), and nearly three times the Giants total average PER play (2.8 yards) in the opener.



This is where the strength of the Dallas team has to grow stronger. Not with injuries amounting either in taking care of this part of the game.
Click to expand...
(Parsons) Yep, he saw Hall going for 127 rushing on just 10 carries, buoyed by that one 83-yarder. He knows the threat of Cooks, having played against him with Minnesota these past two seasons. And he sure understands what this prospective elite defense's Achilles heel has been over the past three seasons, finishing ranked 31st, 16th and 22nd over the past three seasons against the run.

"We know what we're going to get and what they want to do," says starting linebacker Damone Clark. "They're going to give you what they give you. We know teams don't want to face our power rushers, so teams are going to do what they can do not to face our power rushers.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-running-by-this-defensive-concern-again

This run susceptibility is one reason why the Cowboys re-signed 325-poound, 11th-year defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins, knowing the veteran can eat up space in the middle. Why they used the 27th pick in this year's NFL Draft to select 328-pound defensive tackle Mazi Smith, a hard man to move in the middle. That's 653 pounds clogging up the middle on those snaps they play next to each other. Then add in third-year tackle Osa Odighizuwa, who is off to a nice start with four tackles, two sacks and three QB pressures in the opener, and that pain to the Cowboys' own offense during training camp. And this run stuff is exactly why the Cowboys re-signed inside 'backer Leighton Vander Esch and took that fifth-round draft chance last year on Clark, despite knowing he was going to miss most of last season having undergone vertebrae fusion neck surgery following the NFL Scouting Combine.
 

bulldozer

Member
Messages
46
Reaction score
12
THEHEREAFTER said:
I still believe Micah should have been awarded a sack on that errant snap and Jones recovery.
Click to expand...
So if he gets up and try’s to run is it a sack then ?
He gave himself up , parsons touched him down so I’m with you it shd have been a sack!!
 
ryanbabs

ryanbabs

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,537
Reaction score
5,377
McMicah said:
A lot of people are citing that the Cowboys run D problems are still around by referencing that first Giants drive. I went back and watched again today and noticed the following:

1. There wasn’t a 1T on the field until they got in our redzone. It was Gholston and Osa pretty much the whole way until they got to the redzone. In fact, the first play with Hankins in there was a rush for 0 yards for Barkley.

2. Jones had more success than Saquan. I don’t even think Saquan rushed for 20 yds that first drive. He had one 9-yarder, and two 5-yarders. It was really Jones scrambling that hurt us. I think he scrambled over 30 yards.

3. The unnecessary roughness penalty on Jayron Kearse made it seem artificially worse. The defense actually played pretty well

Bonus: The more I watch that game the more I’m amazed we didn’t get 10 sacks. So many times we were right in Jones face or we tackled him and he fell forward over the LOS. Also Gholston had a sack called back due to a downfield penalty. This defense is insane.
Click to expand...
The Jets QB will definitely be seeing “ghosts” next week. :laugh:
 
JohnsKey19

JohnsKey19

Well-Known Member
Messages
19,513
Reaction score
18,400
Jones scrambling out of the pocket and the penalty on Kearse accounted for at least 40 yards on that drive. The biggest problem was playing Gholston and Osa inside together on that drive, as the OP mentioned.
 
Buzzbait

Buzzbait

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,161
Reaction score
12,529
McMicah said:
A lot of people are citing that the Cowboys run D problems are still around by referencing that first Giants drive. I went back and watched again today and noticed the following:

1. There wasn’t a 1T on the field until they got in our redzone. It was Gholston and Osa pretty much the whole way until they got to the redzone. In fact, the first play with Hankins in there was a rush for 0 yards for Barkley.

2. Jones had more success than Saquan. I don’t even think Saquan rushed for 20 yds that first drive. He had one 9-yarder, and two 5-yarders. It was really Jones scrambling that hurt us. I think he scrambled over 30 yards.

3. The unnecessary roughness penalty on Jayron Kearse made it seem artificially worse. The defense actually played pretty well

Bonus: The more I watch that game the more I’m amazed we didn’t get 10 sacks. So many times we were right in Jones face or we tackled him and he fell forward over the LOS. Also Gholston had a sack called back due to a downfield penalty. This defense is insane.
Click to expand...
Well the Cowboys sure better correct that error this weekend! Thanks McMicah, that 1st drive was a mess, and I'm sure if we try that again like that the Jets will definitely try to take advantage of it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top