Revisiting the loss to Green Bay 2016

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On that long pass completion to Jared Cook, the Cowboys had a three man rush with Tyrone Crawford handled by the ROT and 4 OLinemen blocking DLawrence at RDE and David Irving at the center of the DL.

I have watched this play many times and clearly there was a hold on Green Bay. David Irving was breaking free up the middle with a clear shot at the QB. He was grabbed from the behind by one Packer blocker while another pushed him to the side. Irving went down to the ground. Clearly, this was a hold. The Boys should have won that game in an amazing comeback.

David Irving, a crazy as he was, has had some monster games where he seemed to be playing like a man among boys. In my lifetime, I have not seen such lightning quick and ferocious pass rushing from anyone else other than Harvey Martin, The Manster and DWare, as well as Micah Parsons.

I also remember Jeff Heath sacking the QB the play before.
 

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On that long pass completion to Jared Cook, the Cowboys had a three man rush with Tyrone Crawford handled by the ROT and 4 OLinemen blocking DLawrence at RDE and David Irving at the center of the DL.

I have watched this play many times and clearly there was a hold on Green Bay. David Irving was breaking free up the middle with a clear shot at the QB. He was grabbed from the behind by one Packer blocker while another pushed him to the side. Irving went down to the ground. Clearly, this was a hold. The Boys should have won that game in an amazing comeback.

David Irving, a crazy as he was, has had some monster games where he seemed to be playing like a man among boys. In my lifetime, I have not seen such lightning quick and ferocious pass rushing from anyone else other than Harvey Martin, The Manster and DWare, as well as Micah Parsons.

I also remember Jeff Heath sacking the QB the play before.
Rushing 3 was a mistake. If they sent 5 or 6, no way Rodgers can get the time to find a dude 30 yards downfield. More Marinelli magic.
 

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I agree with David Irving. I once thought he was going to be our next great lineman. A lot of talent, just never could get his head on straight.

I watch that game to see how much Dak has grown. But then I watch the 2022 loss and Dak did his best Romo impression that game, throwing interceptions for no freaking reason.

https://highlights.nfl.com/games/31636-20221113-Dallas-Cowboys-vs-Green-Bay-Packers.html

Those are a lot of the same players and coaches in Green Bay minus the most important one, Aaron Rodgers. But Aaron Jones still capable of running rough shot over us tomorrow.
 

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I agree with David Irving. I once thought he was going to be our next great lineman. A lot of talent, just never could get his head on straight.

I watch that game to see how much Dak has grown. But then I watch the 2022 loss and Dak did his best Romo impression that game, throwing interceptions for no freaking reason.

https://highlights.nfl.com/games/31636-20221113-Dallas-Cowboys-vs-Green-Bay-Packers.html

Those are a lot of the same players and coaches in Green Bay minus the most important one, Aaron Rodgers. But Aaron Jones still capable of running rough shot over us tomorrow.
And yet Prescott gave our team a 14 point lead in the fourth quarter and the defense blew it who what does it matter what happened in the first half or before that moment the quarterback gave the defense a lead the defense blew the game once again this has happened in too many games last year this year you keep blaming the offense when the defense had a chance like in Miami we had the lead defense couldn't stop anyone and in fact most of the losses this year including one of the wins in Seattle the defense is the problem here it's like they need a 10 point lead or they don't play well...

But the fact is regardless of the turnovers early in the game it's what you do at the end and Prescott gave that defense a 14 point fourth quarter lead like they did in Jacksonville with a 17 point fourth quarter lead both games were lost because the defense couldn't bow up and stop enough please especially on the ground when I remember that second-half is they ran all over us and then when the defense tried to adjust they started dropping bombs...

the defense lost that game. But I like the selective memory thing I thought the turnovers and the interceptions don't matter this year remember you know how many quarterbacks this year with big names that make $250 million contracts have fumbled and thrown interceptions at Prescott hasn't very little this year but it proves that quarterbacks do make mistakes in games but it's what they do after that and Prescott like say the pick six he threw in the Philly game that same year he went on fire after that so let's keep it real the defense really lost those two games just like they blown games this year and just like they've had games like in Seattle I don't trust this defense I trust the offense more than the defense I trust the special teams the offense and then I start questioning the defense because you don't give them a 10 point lead they don't play that well...
 

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Lol what's the point of going back 8 years ago?
Agreed, 2022 loss more applicable, but was fun watching Dak's rookie playoff game. Had forgotten a lot about that game. I really thought that was our year. What a shame..... (chalk it up with the others)
 

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And yet Prescott gave our team a 14 point lead in the fourth quarter and the defense blew it who what does it matter what happened in the first half or before that moment the quarterback gave the defense a lead the defense blew the game once again this has happened in too many games last year this year you keep blaming the offense when the defense had a chance like in Miami we had the lead defense couldn't stop anyone and in fact most of the losses this year including one of the wins in Seattle the defense is the problem here it's like they need a 10 point lead or they don't play well...

But the fact is regardless of the turnovers early in the game it's what you do at the end and Prescott gave that defense a 14 point fourth quarter lead like they did in Jacksonville with a 17 point fourth quarter lead both games were lost because the defense couldn't bow up and stop enough please especially on the ground when I remember that second-half is they ran all over us and then when the defense tried to adjust they started dropping bombs...

the defense lost that game. But I like the selective memory thing I thought the turnovers and the interceptions don't matter this year remember you know how many quarterbacks this year with big names that make $250 million contracts have fumbled and thrown interceptions at Prescott hasn't very little this year but it proves that quarterbacks do make mistakes in games but it's what they do after that and Prescott like say the pick six he threw in the Philly game that same year he went on fire after that so let's keep it real the defense really lost those two games just like they blown games this year and just like they've had games like in Seattle I don't trust this defense I trust the offense more than the defense I trust the special teams the offense and then I start questioning the defense because you don't give them a 10 point lead they don't play that well...
Agree.... Prescott blew the first half lead. 7-0, about to score, and throws an interception in end zone giving GB new life. Game was won if not for that.

So then we fight back well, have 2 TD lead, and I don't necessarily blame any Cowboys for that one, other than our Run Defense. Cause Jones has some key runs. But Aaron Rodgers just did his thing with that one. Killing Cowboys. Thank the lord he is in New York!
 

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There is nothing to suggest that should have won that game

Ok. They cold holding. It goes to OT. 50/50 game. Could have still lost. Could have won
 

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Agree.... Prescott blew the first half lead. 7-0, about to score, and throws an interception in end zone giving GB new life. Game was won if not for that.

So then we fight back well, have 2 TD lead, and I don't necessarily blame any Cowboys for that one, other than our Run Defense. Cause Jones has some key runs. But Aaron Rodgers just did his thing with that one. Killing Cowboys. Thank the lord he is in New York!
But that's what I'm saying,

doesn't matter what you do in the first half,

he brought them back gave them A 2 touchdown lead in the fourth quarter...

that's all that should matter that means the defense lost that game. I mean if you want to blame it on the team, we can.

but I'm tired of hearing about Romo and Prescott losing games, we can go back in those games like that Denver game that Romo went toe to toe with Peyton Manning they blame him for that last interception without letting someone know that a lineman got pushed back into him on his follow through and the ball sailed, but blame it on Romo.

even though he put up over I don't know close to 50 points or more in that game but hey you see interception that matters not the rest of the game... like where was the defense??? that is what I'm trying to tell people here who are drooling over Dan Quinn and his opportunistic defense they blow more leads and they're more responsible for our losses than our offense( I mean do we wanna remember queen as a head coach in Atlanta or he even lost the game to us with the watermelon kick but he also blew a big lead with an MVP quarterback in the Super bowl) or our special teams are that's just a fact I watched every game this year. The Offense never had a chance,

that the defense wasn't going to stop anyone...

like in the Arizona game, it looked like we were scratching our way back it didn't help that the refs got in the way but the defense just came out and allowed them to score in the second-half twice same thing happened in the 49er game you're giving up these scores that offense will never have a shot this defense has not been good against the better teams we were lucky to get out of the Seattle game at home because of the defense.. I mean when you have to use the word you scored too quick like in the Miami game that's the same thing as saying you don't trust your defense... And I get the offense struggled early with the play calling and the Pollard fumble the three and outs the game plan was terrible it was too conservative there was no motion but a good defense a great championship defense allows the team to stay close enough that they can scratch their way back and make some plays that's why they call them comebacks you know fourth quarter and overtime game-winning drives you can't have those if the defense is also terrible in those games. If our defense was that good you know top 10 defenses in the NFL all gave up under 13 points per game the entire season didn't matter the opponent they literally strangle the life out of offenses and they scared teams to a point were they rather punt than go for it on 3rd and seven... Then we just give up and run... Our defense is not that I don't know why people around here are so afraid to allow Dan Quinn to walk I do not want him as the head coach I don't mind him staying here I like him but he's so overrated and so is the defense...

I mean how many times have you heard that phrase especially at Green Bay that "we scored too quick"?? That's just a code word for we don't trust our defense this is happening far too often, and the quarterbacks get the blame...

Now the new phrase this year is we need to score 1st and we need to give the defense A 10 point lead..

back to this game, So the offense needs to score a lot, I heard something on the radio yesterday while I'm out driving that literally said we need to probably going to need to score 30 to beat this team in the Green Bay Packers.. hmm so they put it on the offense?? seriously, I mean where's this coming from?? I thought Dan Quinn was a God, I don't see it I love that our defense is better than Mike Nolan and somewhat a little bit better than rod Marinelli but when they're not creating turnovers when they're not being opportunistic and getting the holding calls and not getting the sacks this defense is sadly, average...

So once again they're putting this on the quarterback like at the end of the San Francisco game last year they couldn't get lined up that that that's the ref and the play call that is not on the quarterback he tried to set the ball there was no ref to be found there were supposed to be because we seen in the week after the up-ref went and ran up and made sure the ball got set up because the back ones are too lazy and slow for the game of football to get there and give the offense even a chance a bunch of fat lineman and an entire team beat the referee back to the line of scrimmage why is that??

I mean how often do we gotta go through this in 2021 there were 14 penalties 11 on the offensive line yet they talk about how Prescott lost that game? Prescott can't win Romo can't win no we can't win because the team picks the worst moments to play their worst games..

I mean if we go back to the defense they played well against San Francisco last year but they didn't take advantage of every opportunity they should have had an interception they should have broke up the play on kittles, kittle should have never been that open in the first place but yeah, we're just blaming the quarterback.
 

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But that's what I'm saying,

doesn't matter what you do in the first half,

he brought them back gave them A 2 touchdown lead in the fourth quarter...

that's all that should matter that means the defense lost that game. I mean if you want to blame it on the team, we can.

but I'm tired of hearing about Romo and Prescott losing games, we can go back in those games like that Denver game that Romo went toe to toe with Peyton Manning they blame him for that last interception without letting someone know that a lineman got pushed back into him on his follow through and the ball sailed, but blame it on Romo.

even though he put up over I don't know close to 50 points or more in that game but hey you see interception that matters not the rest of the game... like where was the defense??? that is what I'm trying to tell people here who are drooling over Dan Quinn and his opportunistic defense they blow more leads and they're more responsible for our losses than our offense( I mean do we wanna remember queen as a head coach in Atlanta or he even lost the game to us with the watermelon kick but he also blew a big lead with an MVP quarterback in the Super bowl) or our special teams are that's just a fact I watched every game this year. The Offense never had a chance,

that the defense wasn't going to stop anyone...

like in the Arizona game, it looked like we were scratching our way back it didn't help that the refs got in the way but the defense just came out and allowed them to score in the second-half twice same thing happened in the 49er game you're giving up these scores that offense will never have a shot this defense has not been good against the better teams we were lucky to get out of the Seattle game at home because of the defense.. I mean when you have to use the word you scored too quick like in the Miami game that's the same thing as saying you don't trust your defense... And I get the offense struggled early with the play calling and the Pollard fumble the three and outs the game plan was terrible it was too conservative there was no motion but a good defense a great championship defense allows the team to stay close enough that they can scratch their way back and make some plays that's why they call them comebacks you know fourth quarter and overtime game-winning drives you can't have those if the defense is also terrible in those games. If our defense was that good you know top 10 defenses in the NFL all gave up under 13 points per game the entire season didn't matter the opponent they literally strangle the life out of offenses and they scared teams to a point were they rather punt than go for it on 3rd and seven... Then we just give up and run... Our defense is not that I don't know why people around here are so afraid to allow Dan Quinn to walk I do not want him as the head coach I don't mind him staying here I like him but he's so overrated and so is the defense...

I mean how many times have you heard that phrase especially at Green Bay that "we scored too quick"?? That's just a code word for we don't trust our defense this is happening far too often, and the quarterbacks get the blame...

Now the new phrase this year is we need to score 1st and we need to give the defense A 10 point lead..

back to this game, So the offense needs to score a lot, I heard something on the radio yesterday while I'm out driving that literally said we need to probably going to need to score 30 to beat this team in the Green Bay Packers.. hmm so they put it on the offense?? seriously, I mean where's this coming from?? I thought Dan Quinn was a God, I don't see it I love that our defense is better than Mike Nolan and somewhat a little bit better than rod Marinelli but when they're not creating turnovers when they're not being opportunistic and getting the holding calls and not getting the sacks this defense is sadly, average...

So once again they're putting this on the quarterback like at the end of the San Francisco game last year they couldn't get lined up that that that's the ref and the play call that is not on the quarterback he tried to set the ball there was no ref to be found there were supposed to be because we seen in the week after the up-ref went and ran up and made sure the ball got set up because the back ones are too lazy and slow for the game of football to get there and give the offense even a chance a bunch of fat lineman and an entire team beat the referee back to the line of scrimmage why is that??

I mean how often do we gotta go through this in 2021 there were 14 penalties 11 on the offensive line yet they talk about how Prescott lost that game? Prescott can't win Romo can't win no we can't win because the team picks the worst moments to play their worst games..

I mean if we go back to the defense they played well against San Francisco last year but they didn't take advantage of every opportunity they should have had an interception they should have broke up the play on kittles, kittle should have never been that open in the first place but yeah, we're just blaming the quarterback.
If Dak throws 2 interceptions in first half in ANY of these upcoming playoff games, we probably lose. So regardless of who to blame, hope we don't see that again.
 

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If Dak throws 2 interceptions in first half in ANY of these upcoming playoff games, we probably lose. So regardless of who to blame, hope we don't see that again.
Look man you're not gonna convince me of that have the interceptions happen where they tip balls where were they were they on our side of the field or theirs if it's gonna be a long field situation you remember how they say it's like a punt yes it sucks when it happens but that's not true because last year's playoffs I saw Josh Allen have 3 turnovers and he would have had a fourth at that fumble didn't roll out of bounds and they still won that playoff game it's because their team is better get their team covered up some early problems in the game you have time to fix them if they happen early...

How about the same playoffs we can talk about the fact back what was it the Jaguars Trevor Lawrence had four interceptions in the first half and they won that game

how about this Matthew Stafford led the league 20 interceptions had two interceptions in the Super bowl and guess what they won that game

didn't Tom Brady and his Tampa Bay Super Bowl year have 3 interceptions in the NFC championship game and guess what they still won the game

so I wanna know why everyone puts these losses on a quarterback who makes a few mistakes but has the ability to make up those mistakes if the rest of the team just plays well the rest of the game I mean how about the defense bow up and get his back like these other teams got their quarterbacks back we've seen this many times I saw Troy Aikman throw a pick 6 in the Super bowl against Buffalo we were behind in the first half of both those games really but I just remember offhand he threw an interception they came out they didn't get anything done in the first drive they were not playing well on offense and guess what the defense did turned around got their own pick 6 just snuffed out the Buffalo Bills in the second-half then off and started to run the ball they protected Troy Aikman all his career really..

So when you say things like that and when other fans say things like that it means you don't trust the rest of the teams that the special teams won't get a big play like a block or they not gonna run back a kicker a punt or you don't trust the defense that they can't make some stops after those turnovers look that is the problem here that is why this is a team game I watched the NFL my whole life and I watched quarterbacks make mistakes and yet their teams picked them up and they get themselves back in the game and they win a lot of those games..

Now do I wanna see that scenario no I do not but sometimes interceptions happen like last week guy jumps up 12 foot in the air to tip a ball you know he could have dunked the basketball that happens or during a follow through you get your arm hit or you get hit from behind because you can't see a guy coming happened last year a couple of times or you gonna receive it that just flat out tips the ball into the air that he should have caught but if it's early enough in a game you have all game to make up for it... With the correct team with the correct mental makeup and drive those great teams and I'm emphasizing teams can overcome that..
 

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If Dak throws 2 interceptions in first half in ANY of these upcoming playoff games, we probably lose. So regardless of who to blame, hope we don't see that again.
100% we definitely don't want that to happen and we don't care where the blame goes I'm just saying you need to look into the team concept I saw last year's playoffs Trevor Lawrence and Josh Allen had terrible playoff games and their team came through and won and they nearly had four turnovers each..
 

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And yet Prescott gave our team a 14 point lead in the fourth quarter and the defense blew it who what does it matter what happened in the first half or before that moment the quarterback gave the defense a lead the defense blew the game once again this has happened in too many games last year this year you keep blaming the offense when the defense had a chance like in Miami we had the lead defense couldn't stop anyone and in fact most of the losses this year including one of the wins in Seattle the defense is the problem here it's like they need a 10 point lead or they don't play well...

But the fact is regardless of the turnovers early in the game it's what you do at the end and Prescott gave that defense a 14 point fourth quarter lead like they did in Jacksonville with a 17 point fourth quarter lead both games were lost because the defense couldn't bow up and stop enough please especially on the ground when I remember that second-half is they ran all over us and then when the defense tried to adjust they started dropping bombs...

the defense lost that game. But I like the selective memory thing I thought the turnovers and the interceptions don't matter this year remember you know how many quarterbacks this year with big names that make $250 million contracts have fumbled and thrown interceptions at Prescott hasn't very little this year but it proves that quarterbacks do make mistakes in games but it's what they do after that and Prescott like say the pick six he threw in the Philly game that same year he went on fire after that so let's keep it real the defense really lost those two games just like they blown games this year and just like they've had games like in Seattle I don't trust this defense I trust the offense more than the defense I trust the special teams the offense and then I start questioning the defense because you don't give them a 10 point lead they don't play that well...
No thst was last year he was talking about the 2016 playoff game. Dallas was down 21-7 or worse at half. Check the title of the thread
 

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I always thought a key reason for us losing was not giving Zeke the ball enough.
I will not have you besmirch Jason Garrett's reputation like that sir! Never a false step or bad move as our Head Coach!
 

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On that long pass completion to Jared Cook, the Cowboys had a three man rush with Tyrone Crawford handled by the ROT and 4 OLinemen blocking DLawrence at RDE and David Irving at the center of the DL.

I have watched this play many times and clearly there was a hold on Green Bay. David Irving was breaking free up the middle with a clear shot at the QB. He was grabbed from the behind by one Packer blocker while another pushed him to the side. Irving went down to the ground. Clearly, this was a hold. The Boys should have won that game in an amazing comeback.

David Irving, a crazy as he was, has had some monster games where he seemed to be playing like a man among boys. In my lifetime, I have not seen such lightning quick and ferocious pass rushing from anyone else other than Harvey Martin, The Manster and DWare, as well as Micah Parsons.

I also remember Jeff Heath sacking the QB the play before.
Absolutely correct. Irving was mugged on that play and there should have been a flag.

Also— it still boggles my mind how Rodgers didn’t fumble when Heath obliterated him with that hit from behind. Just crazy how the ball (and flags) bounce sometimes.

Payback begins tomorrow.
 

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If Dak throws 2 interceptions in first half in ANY of these upcoming playoff games, we probably lose. So regardless of who to blame, hope we don't see that again.
This is the key point.

But I’ll also mention Brady did this multiple times in his Super Bowl winning runs, including 3 in the first half of his last NFCC game, and still won. So it can be overcome. Defenses can hold and limit the effect of interceptions. It’s a team sport.
 
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