ROMO #2 Passer 98.4 as of now...

[percyhoward]

Which is the point-- the stats mean little. The QB rating greatly favors the West Coast or otherwise pass-happy offense. It is not a measure of how good a QB is.

Granted, a rating below the 80's indicates something foul, but you wouldn't need the QB rating to tell you that.

I think it's a pretty good stat, since it showed Staubach to be the best ever at that time. WC QB's have an advantage to be sure, but Aikman-Young might be a better comparison to illustrate your point than Staubach-Brunell.

I would change "passer rating" to "QB rating" to include rushing yardage by the QB, and call any tackle of the QB behind the line a sack, and also include that. I'd also consider YAC, and count it less.

As it is now, it isn't perfect, but it gives a pretty accurate idea of who the best QB's are, because TD and INT count for so much in the stat.

 

[burmafrd]

Right now the following QB's have a higher rating then Roger:
Culpepper, Garcia, Brian Griese, Rich gannon, Jake Delhomme, Brad Johnson and Mark Brunell. Now try and tell me that the rating is not a joke.
AND the all time leader is Steve Young. His rating is 13.5 points higher then Rogers. Tell me to take THAT seriously.

 

[sonnyboy]

I've always had a problem with the QB rating system. It's ok long term, but the numbers can get really skewed for a game.
Dal vs NYG No way anyone who sawthat game would say Manning outplayed Romo. Or at least outplayed him to the extent the ratings 58 - 105 would suggest.

No system is perfect. You can't account for help a QB gets from his teammates.
However, you can do better than the current system.
Current system use a formula equally weighting these catergories:
COMP%- YPA-%TD-%INT

First flaw is COMP%. It's not needed. Using Comp% only awards the QB who dinks and dunks. YPA should make up 50% of the weighting.

Why should you only reward a QB for TD passes? Romo lead Dallas on 5 successful scoring drives in NY and received no credit in his rating.
Two of those drives where in the one minute offense when a FG was the primary objective.
TD% should be replaced with a more complex category that rewards a QB for all offensive points scored. In addition to that he should get a double weighting for points scored on TD passes. If you did this you would come up with a much more meaningful number that would then count 25% of the overall rating.

No problem with %INT counting 25%. That makes sense.

 

[chinch]

stats are hit or miss, but the QB rating is a decent indicator after a half-season and enough games are in the data sample.

with Romo, what is actually impressive in that his stats are great (top-5) but the hidden "intangibles" are off the charts. 2nd half play, 4th qr play, 2-minute drill play, etc. He was like 6-6 in the last, long drive where barber ran and we put ATL away. that stuff doesn't show up in stats for the most part or inflate his rating.

vick's rating was probalby higher sat nite due to 4td passes but he was outplayed at QB imho by Romo if you watched the entire game.

 

[burmafrd]

I would also make it a HUGE minus for any INT returned for a TD. That should count double a normal INT.

 

[burmafrd]

Most important of all 3rd down conversions need to be factored in.

 

[DanTanna]

Vince Young/6 is doing GREAT and his QB Rating is 65 which is second worse in the NFL. Who would you rather have, David Carr(high QB rating but a LOSER) or VY/6 who is winning but bad stats-wise???

 

[JD_KaPow]

Considering hes playing the Colts defense I wouldnt hold my breath on that one.

Palmer'll probably stay right where he is. Why bother even attempting a pass against that defense? Just run Rudi at them every play.

 

[percyhoward]

Right now the following QB's have a higher rating then Roger:
Culpepper, Garcia, Brian Griese, Rich gannon, Jake Delhomme, Brad Johnson and Mark Brunell. Now try and tell me that the rating is not a joke.
AND the all time leader is Steve Young. His rating is 13.5 points higher then Rogers. Tell me to take THAT seriously.

Henry Ellard averaged 60 yards per game over his career, and is not in the HOF. Fred Biletnikof averaged just over 47 yards per game, and is.

That doesn't make reception yardage a bad stat.

Passer rating is the most subjective of all stats, so it's not perfect by any means. But most stats are useless when you start to compare players of different eras. It's a fact that most members of the HOF selection committee don't even seem to understand.

Just look at Pro Bowl appearances, All-Pro teams, etc.

 

[burmafrd]

Post 1978 is when the passing game really opened up; the rule changes followed by the WCO changed the whole game. That is why the rating system needs to be changed. And numbers for WR's need to be carefully put into context for which time they played. Its like those that played in the 12 game schedule (pre 1963) vs Post 77 16 game schedule. 4 more games per year makes a BIG difference in season stats. How many RB's got 1000 yds this year PRIOR to their 13 game? LT and LJ, and maybe Tiki. You had to average 84 yds per game back then. NOW you only have to average 63.
Emmits Career average was 85.

 

[theogt]

Go Carson!!!!!

And Shayne Graham!

NO!!!! Chad Johnson and Shayne Graham cannot get 32 fantasy points in this game. This is my big money league. It sure would be nice to win.

 

[theogt]

Vince Young/6 is doing GREAT and his QB Rating is 65 which is second worse in the NFL. Who would you rather have, David Carr(high QB rating but a LOSER) or VY/6 who is winning but bad stats-wise???

I'd rather have Tennessee's defense and running game.

 

[superpunk]

NO!!!! Chad Johnson and Shayne Graham cannot get 32 fantasy points in this game. This is my big money league. It sure would be nice to win.

This is my money office league, too. I got Carson and Graham and an 8 point lead. He's got Peyton and Wayne. It's gonna be tight.

 

[SaintReginald]

the rating system is better at telling you how bad someone is than how good someone is.
TD passes are way too much of a ratings factor for it to be taken as a truly meaningful stat. In the ratings system teams that have good red zone running backs (like say, phillip rivers) are penalized in effect.
Remember..as a great man once said..There are lies...damn lies...and statistics..

 

[silverbear]

Garcia was over 100 for his starts until yesterday.

QB rating is not really as accurate as many make it out to be. IMO.

I agree, for one reason-- it seems to factor in interceptions (or lack of interceptions) a bit too much... now, I'm not saying that ints shouldn't be a factor in the equation, just that they're a bit too big a factor...

 

[burmafrd]

INTs should be a MAJOR factor- especially any that get returned for 6.

 

[percyhoward]

the rating system is better at telling you how bad someone is than how good someone is.
TD passes are way too much of a ratings factor for it to be taken as a truly meaningful stat. In the ratings system teams that have good red zone running backs (like say, phillip rivers) are penalized in effect.
Remember..as a great man once said..There are lies...damn lies...and statistics..

It evens out though.

How many TD passes has Rivers thrown because defenses were focusing on stopping LT?

 

[dbair1967]

I disagree, I think it is one of the few "stats" that are reflective of a players play on the field. .

QB rating is not a tell all about a QB

case in point is a TD pass to a WR that catches a 3 yd pass, but runs another 75 for the TD...it goes in the books as a 78 yd pass and a TD, but in reality the QB had very little to do with it, however it will great impact his QB rating

comp % can be skewed badly by the system a team plays....a guy completing 63% of his passes might appear accurate until you see most of his throws travel 5 yds or less...that was what was so amazing about Aikman (especially 91-95)...he didnt skew his comp % with a bunch of dink and dunks, he threw more passes in the intermediate to deep areas than anyone

I like yds per attempt and to some extent completion %, but I also like TD to INT ratio

David

 

[burmafrd]

ANd yet AIkmans career rating is like 30 or so on the list. There are not 29 better QB's that have played the game in the last 40 years.