Scramble Drill

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If we know Dak doesn't have a big arm, why do we constantly send WRS deep on just about every play. It's as if we're just running them deep, to keep them in football shape. By the time they actually get to their route way down the field, Dak is running for their lives in a scramble drill in which those deep guys are coming back to the ball.


This seems to be our most successful pass play, I hope we can run some better routes/concepts going forward!
 

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Is there any data that actually shows that the Cowboys utilize deep routes more than the league average? I know as far as downfield targets go the Cowboys aren't even in the top half of the league in attempts, but that is only counting downfield throws actually made, not times the Cowboys have ran deeper route combos that have have resulted in sacks, checkdowns, throw aways, etc.

On the plus side Dak has a completion percentage of 43% on throws over 20 yards, which is pretty good. 3Ints on those throws which is about in line with most QBs FWIW.
 

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Is there any data that actually shows that the Cowboys utilize deep routes more than the league average? I know as far as downfield targets go the Cowboys aren't even in the top half of the league in attempts, but that is only counting downfield throws actually made, not times the Cowboys have ran deeper route combos that have have resulted in sacks, checkdowns, throw aways, etc.

On the plus side Dak has a completion percentage of 43% on throws over 20 yards, which is pretty good. 3Ints on those throws which is about in line with most QBs FWIW.
It's obvious that the routes are too far as it takes Dak a long time to get someone open, or he takes the safe pass and sends it to SHULTZ
 

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It's obvious that the routes are too far as it takes Dak a long time to get someone open, or he takes the safe pass and sends it to SHULTZ
Maybe....but maybe those deep routes by your WRs is what opens up the middle of the field to get to Schultz those easy catches. Maybe those deeper routes are what keeps teams from filling the box to keep the run game going. Maybe the Cowboys want to keep a deep receiver on all plays to dictate coverage so teams have to account for all levels.

I have no idea as I have no charting information that shows the Cowboys run significantly more deep route combos than normal. What I do know is in the NFL you have to scare defenses into accounting for the deep throws. If Dak can't make the throws or your WRs cant create separation down field you are going to struggle with your entire offense as you've basically just become the Houston Texans.
 

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If we know Dak doesn't have a big arm, why do we constantly send WRS deep on just about every play. It's as if we're just running them deep, to keep them in football shape. By the time they actually get to their route way down the field, Dak is running for their lives in a scramble drill in which those deep guys are coming back to the ball.


This seems to be our most successful pass play, I hope we can run some better routes/concepts going forward!
We don't constantly send WR's deep, as if we're trying to keep them in football shape. You're just being dramatic. Again.

Relax. Set your emotions aside and watch what really happens. It doesn't always have to be a 'Never' or 'Always' situation which 99% of your posts indicate.
 

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If we know Dak doesn't have a big arm, why do we constantly send WRS deep on just about every play. It's as if we're just running them deep, to keep them in football shape. By the time they actually get to their route way down the field, Dak is running for their lives in a scramble drill in which those deep guys are coming back to the ball.


This seems to be our most successful pass play, I hope we can run some better routes/concepts going forward!
I don't even know what you're talking about. Cowboys don't send guys deep on every play and Dak arm seems to be fine. He litearlly just threw a 50 yard bomb to Hilton. His arm ain't the issue. Now if you want to talk about his picks that's one thing but not his arm power. He can make most throws on the field.
 

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If we know Dak doesn't have a big arm, why do we constantly send WRS deep on just about every play.
What they are attempting to do is get the Safety to drop back and help double the deep threat. This helps the underneath and mid-level passing game with one less defender to clog up passing lanes.
 

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Dak like every quarterback can lob a ball deep that's one of the few weapons he has.

can he be accurate the jury's out
 

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Some of those routes are designed to clear the safety for other guys. But it's true that dak is not throwing downfield as much as he used too and honestly I don't blame him. Gallup was that downfield guy but he doesn't look like the Gallup of old, no longer winning on those routes. In this offense that short stuff is often handled by the TE and that has been a struggle lately too. The only thing that seems to be working consistently lately is the crossing routes by CD.
 

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If we know Dak doesn't have a big arm, why do we constantly send WRS deep on just about every play. It's as if we're just running them deep, to keep them in football shape. By the time they actually get to their route way down the field, Dak is running for their lives in a scramble drill in which those deep guys are coming back to the ball.


This seems to be our most successful pass play, I hope we can run some better routes/concepts going forward!
I'd like to see the actual numbers because I don't think we do it as much as other teams. I think we may be below average. If anything, our OC doesn't do a good enough job of timing WHEN to go deep.
 

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My theory why so many deep passes against Washington.

To show TB they are not afraid to go deep. And are setting them up for some other plays. As well, to get them to play for deep passes, so they don't stack the box against the run.
That game plan was so vanilla that the cone said, it will get soggy right away and give up.
But I doubt TB bites on that.

Or, after the 50 yarder to Hilton against the Eagles was a success, they are big headed thinking they can hit on all of them now. :muttley:
 

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If we know Dak doesn't have a big arm, why do we constantly send WRS deep on just about every play. It's as if we're just running them deep, to keep them in football shape. By the time they actually get to their route way down the field, Dak is running for their lives in a scramble drill in which those deep guys are coming back to the ball.


This seems to be our most successful pass play, I hope we can run some better routes/concepts going forward!
They don't and Dak does not have sup par arm stength.
 
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