SI: How the Chiefs Planned Very Early in Patrick Mahomes’s Career to Build Around Him

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You think that the Jones Boys do this type of thinking when it comes to their players?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/06/chiefs-built-team-around-patrick-mahomes-very-early

It was July 2017, and, after the surprise summer firing of John Dorsey, new Chiefs GM Brett Veach was holding one of his first meetings, scrambling to adjust to the job after a wild month. This one was focused specifically on defining Kansas City’s principles.

What are our principles? What are we going to be doing for the next year? What are we mapping out in terms of long-term planning?

How are we going to do this?


Veach’s director of football administration, Brandt Tilis, raised his hand.

“Look, we just drafted a quarterback in the first round,” the lead negotiator said. “So we need to start thinking about his next contract—like right now—and start planning for him to be great.”

That quarterback was still 14 months from settling in as the Chiefs’ starter, with a redshirt year behind Alex Smith ahead, and the personnel department, rocked by the Dorsey news just a few weeks later, was still figuring out how to move forward. But even then, they had an idea of what the kid they drafted tenth could become. More than just that, they knew the challenges that lied ahead if he fulfilled all that promise.

In a way, the 2022 Chiefs came to life that day, in that room.

We all know now what Mahomes would become. He won the MVP in his first year as a starter, will likely win another one this week, has gotten to five AFC title games in the interim, and will play in his third Super Bowl and for his second Lombardi Trophy on Sunday. But even if the Chiefs thought all that was possible in 2017—and they were very high on their draft pick out of Texas Tech—they knew it couldn’t just be him.

And Tilis’s point to the room underscored that there would be a time that’d come when it’d be harder than making it about more than just him, because of the contract he’d sign if he lived up to his potential (like they hoped he would). So they started planning then for what they’d have in his rookie-deal years, and for the landscape thereafter—when the margins would be thinner, a time that’s now come for the best player in pro football.

“There’s a pressure of not wanting to let him down, or fail him,” Veach said Saturday, before traveling to Arizona for Super Bowl LVII. “He can play any type of football, so you feel like you have a little bit more of a window to work with, in regards to what you can bring in here. But at the same time, the expectations are so high, there’s the pressure of you can’t miss anything and you gotta do whatever you can.

“And maybe you don’t have $30 million to throw at a wideout, but you better get good wideouts because you can’t provide him with nothing. So it’s a double-edged sword.”

Six years after they first talked about it, it’s a sword the Chiefs have used to cut a path few in this era have—by setting themselves up for sustained success after giving a quarterback a top-of-the-market deal. And it’s put Mahomes in position to be more dangerous than he’s ever been before, as he prepares to go hunting for another ring.
 

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what exactly did they set up? they had to jettison their most dynamic pass catcher lol. most of their marquee acquisitions have been on defense. they just have patrick mahomes... it is what it is.
 

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The Cowboys are not run like the Chiefs. They don't have an organizational structure like the Chiefs. They are not run with a mentality that prioritizes winning. They have no concept of building and capitalizing what you have. The Chiefs churn their roster consistently while holding on to a few select guys who are keystones of their team. A lot of it is similar to how the Patriots were run. Churn the roster around a few star guys and ride the hot hand. Problem is that the Cowboys have a Kurt Cousins clone who is neither hot nor cold, just an average QB who is good enough to win against the minnows and get you to that first or second round playoff exit but never good enough to take you all the way.
 

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You think that the Jones Boys do this type of thinking when it comes to their players?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/06/chiefs-built-team-around-patrick-mahomes-very-early

It was July 2017, and, after the surprise summer firing of John Dorsey, new Chiefs GM Brett Veach was holding one of his first meetings, scrambling to adjust to the job after a wild month. This one was focused specifically on defining Kansas City’s principles.

What are our principles? What are we going to be doing for the next year? What are we mapping out in terms of long-term planning?

How are we going to do this?


Veach’s director of football administration, Brandt Tilis, raised his hand.

“Look, we just drafted a quarterback in the first round,” the lead negotiator said. “So we need to start thinking about his next contract—like right now—and start planning for him to be great.”

That quarterback was still 14 months from settling in as the Chiefs’ starter, with a redshirt year behind Alex Smith ahead, and the personnel department, rocked by the Dorsey news just a few weeks later, was still figuring out how to move forward. But even then, they had an idea of what the kid they drafted tenth could become. More than just that, they knew the challenges that lied ahead if he fulfilled all that promise.

In a way, the 2022 Chiefs came to life that day, in that room.

We all know now what Mahomes would become. He won the MVP in his first year as a starter, will likely win another one this week, has gotten to five AFC title games in the interim, and will play in his third Super Bowl and for his second Lombardi Trophy on Sunday. But even if the Chiefs thought all that was possible in 2017—and they were very high on their draft pick out of Texas Tech—they knew it couldn’t just be him.

And Tilis’s point to the room underscored that there would be a time that’d come when it’d be harder than making it about more than just him, because of the contract he’d sign if he lived up to his potential (like they hoped he would). So they started planning then for what they’d have in his rookie-deal years, and for the landscape thereafter—when the margins would be thinner, a time that’s now come for the best player in pro football.

“There’s a pressure of not wanting to let him down, or fail him,” Veach said Saturday, before traveling to Arizona for Super Bowl LVII. “He can play any type of football, so you feel like you have a little bit more of a window to work with, in regards to what you can bring in here. But at the same time, the expectations are so high, there’s the pressure of you can’t miss anything and you gotta do whatever you can.

“And maybe you don’t have $30 million to throw at a wideout, but you better get good wideouts because you can’t provide him with nothing. So it’s a double-edged sword.”

Six years after they first talked about it, it’s a sword the Chiefs have used to cut a path few in this era have—by setting themselves up for sustained success after giving a quarterback a top-of-the-market deal. And it’s put Mahomes in position to be more dangerous than he’s ever been before, as he prepares to go hunting for another ring.
The Cowboys roster would win the Super Bowl this year if Mahomes was their QB.

If the Chiefs and Cowboys swapped QBs, the Cowboys win vs the Chiefs.
 

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They rid of a skill position and loaded up on defense. That's good team building.
the premise of the article makes it sound as if they prepared from day one to surround mahomes with talent culminating in this sb roster. reality is he overcomes all the shortcomings. best moves they made imo was re-building the o-line on the fly last year. that was seriously impressive. but i don't think they did anything that was specifically forecasted. were just fortunate to have kelce maintain his level of play, mahomes stay relatively injury free and have andy reid.
 

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the premise of the article makes it sound as if they prepared from day one to surround mahomes with talent culminating in this sb roster. reality is he overcomes all the shortcomings. best moves they made imo was re-building the o-line on the fly last year. that was seriously impressive. but i don't think they did anything that was specifically forecasted. were just fortunate to have kelce maintain his level of play, mahomes stay relatively injury free and have andy reid.
They let Hill go, and added four guys (Juju Smith-Schuster, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore) to replace his production. That's good roster building. Hardly sitting back and twiddling their thumbs.

The reason why this article piqued my interest was the foresight that the Chiefs personnel department approached projecting Mahomes' contract and supporting cast ahead. Contrast that with Dallas, where they allowed Prescott's deal to go to the point where they had to pay top of the market, and proceeded to let their top receiver leave for a fifth round pick, and fail to adequately replace him or his production. The Cowboys don't do this correct because the two guys at the top of the pyramid have no football philosophy driving their decision making - they let emotion and marketing drive their decisions.
 

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These types of stories are always "genius" in hindsight because they worked out.

There are a lot of other smart teams run by smart people who fail because there are variables you simply cannot control and outcomes you cannot predict.

That's not taking anything away from the Chiefs for making the right moves, because they did and I put hiring Andy Reid at the top.

That said, when those moves were happening they were based on hope, potential, optimism and a lot of maybes just like most other teams, and it happened to work out for them.

The thing that bothers me most about the Cowboys as an organization is their unwillingness to adapt their strategies when they fail to produce successful results year after year.

They seem quite content with general relevance each year hoping if the stars align perfectly everything will fall the Cowboys way and lead them to the Super Bowl.

Great teams make their own destiny. Bad teams hope destiny finds them
 

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Mahomes doesn't need much. Dude is next level. Kelce definitely helps don't get me wrong but Mahomes would do amazing with a bunch of Jags.
 

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Probably 3 QBs will be drafted in the 1st round 2023 NFL draft. If you want to change the trajectory of your team... be brave and trade some picks and future picks to get your QB for the future. Perhaps Dak under a new offensive system, with a new play-caller might work. But it would be smart to have Dak's replacement on the roster.
 

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They let Hill go, and added four guys (Juju Smith-Schuster, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, Kadarius Toney and Skyy Moore) to replace his production. That's good roster building. Hardly sitting back and twiddling their thumbs.

The reason why this article piqued my interest was the foresight that the Chiefs personnel department approached projecting Mahomes' contract and supporting cast ahead. Contrast that with Dallas, where they allowed Prescott's deal to go to the point where they had to pay top of the market, and proceeded to let their top receiver leave for a fifth round pick, and fail to adequately replace him or his production. The Cowboys don't do this correct because the two guys at the top of the pyramid have no football philosophy driving their decision making - they let emotion and marketing drive their decisions.
scantling was already there and those other guys didn’t replace tyreeks production combined. i understand why you say the article piqued your interest, im disagreeing that the article proves its thesis or that their actions support it either. they have mahomes, the end
 

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There are 2 ways to compete for super bowls in this league: HOF caliber QB or a QB on a rookie deal which allows you to load up on free agents. Nobody wins the way Jerry and son are building this team......... re-signing most of our own players and not looking around the league to upgrade positions while being saddled with a veteran QB contract. I think its safe to say that while the team's stated goal is the super bowl, they are unwilling to sacrifice or take too big of a chance to make it happen..... ironic that our owner is an oil wildcatter who bought this team with a bank loan.
 

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These types of stories are always "genius" in hindsight because they worked out.

There are a lot of other smart teams run by smart people who fail because there are variables you simply cannot control and outcomes you cannot predict.

That's not taking anything away from the Chiefs for making the right moves, because they did and I put hiring Andy Reid at the top.

That said, when those moves were happening they were based on hope, potential, optimism and a lot of maybes just like most other teams, and it happened to work out for them.

The thing that bothers me most about the Cowboys as an organization is their unwillingness to adapt their strategies when they fail to produce successful results year after year.

They seem quite content with general relevance each year hoping if the stars align perfectly everything will fall the Cowboys way and lead them to the Super Bowl.

Great teams make their own destiny. Bad teams hope destiny finds them
Bravo sir. You can only make the best decisions possible and hope a stealth torpedo doesn't find you.
 

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You think that the Jones Boys do this type of thinking when it comes to their players?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/02/06/chiefs-built-team-around-patrick-mahomes-very-early

It was July 2017, and, after the surprise summer firing of John Dorsey, new Chiefs GM Brett Veach was holding one of his first meetings, scrambling to adjust to the job after a wild month. This one was focused specifically on defining Kansas City’s principles.

What are our principles? What are we going to be doing for the next year? What are we mapping out in terms of long-term planning?

How are we going to do this?


Veach’s director of football administration, Brandt Tilis, raised his hand.

“Look, we just drafted a quarterback in the first round,” the lead negotiator said. “So we need to start thinking about his next contract—like right now—and start planning for him to be great.”

That quarterback was still 14 months from settling in as the Chiefs’ starter, with a redshirt year behind Alex Smith ahead, and the personnel department, rocked by the Dorsey news just a few weeks later, was still figuring out how to move forward. But even then, they had an idea of what the kid they drafted tenth could become. More than just that, they knew the challenges that lied ahead if he fulfilled all that promise.

In a way, the 2022 Chiefs came to life that day, in that room.

We all know now what Mahomes would become. He won the MVP in his first year as a starter, will likely win another one this week, has gotten to five AFC title games in the interim, and will play in his third Super Bowl and for his second Lombardi Trophy on Sunday. But even if the Chiefs thought all that was possible in 2017—and they were very high on their draft pick out of Texas Tech—they knew it couldn’t just be him.

And Tilis’s point to the room underscored that there would be a time that’d come when it’d be harder than making it about more than just him, because of the contract he’d sign if he lived up to his potential (like they hoped he would). So they started planning then for what they’d have in his rookie-deal years, and for the landscape thereafter—when the margins would be thinner, a time that’s now come for the best player in pro football.

“There’s a pressure of not wanting to let him down, or fail him,” Veach said Saturday, before traveling to Arizona for Super Bowl LVII. “He can play any type of football, so you feel like you have a little bit more of a window to work with, in regards to what you can bring in here. But at the same time, the expectations are so high, there’s the pressure of you can’t miss anything and you gotta do whatever you can.

“And maybe you don’t have $30 million to throw at a wideout, but you better get good wideouts because you can’t provide him with nothing. So it’s a double-edged sword.”

Six years after they first talked about it, it’s a sword the Chiefs have used to cut a path few in this era have—by setting themselves up for sustained success after giving a quarterback a top-of-the-market deal. And it’s put Mahomes in position to be more dangerous than he’s ever been before, as he prepares to go hunting for another ring.
I wouldn’t absolutely conclude that they don’t think this way….they just think there’s no difference between Dak and Mahomes, and even if there might be, they can spin it into being that way.

They think they can talk things into being the case.
 

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The Cowboys roster would win the Super Bowl this year if Mahomes was their QB.

If the Chiefs and Cowboys swapped QBs, the Cowboys win vs the Chiefs.
Ahhh. I love Mahomes & he is light years ahead of #4.

Win SB? - Goodness, certainly makes us legit contenders ..... but I'm still a little uncertain if our trenches are quite good enough. Heck, you've convinced me. This year, I think we beat SF & Philly and then Cincy in the SB.

Definitely beat the Chiefs if we swap QB's.
 

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Mahomes is elite. Cream of the crop without question IMO.

That being said, the Chiefs have done an outstanding job building around him and helping him. I don’t know why fans act like they don’t and he just does it all by himself.

He’s got a HOF TE, a bunch of 1st / 2nd round WRs, an OL that was top 5 in pass pro this year and a HOF head coach.

He’s the best, but he’s also been setup for success and is part of a great system.
 

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Oh and btw folks….don’t go fooling yourselves into thinking we simply need to draft the next Mahomes.

Plenty of why Mahomes became what he did was about Andy Reid and his staff after they got him.

We don’t have Andy Reid and his staff. We have a staff that lets the 80 year old owner play fantasy football with his kid.
 

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I remember the respect I had for Andy Reid coming off an 11 or 12 win season and moving away from his starting QB. He knew exactly what he had, but it took balls to execute.
 
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