Tennessean: Young broke curfew

[Idgit]

:laugh2:

I know it had to be so hard on Young to see Kerry Collins go in there for the one series (maybe) that he would have played in that meaningless game.

That'll learn him!!

Ever been competitive about something? It's not meaningless to have someone playing in your spot, with your teamates. Practice. Preseason. Whatever. I don't think any games are meaningless to these guys; at least they shouldn't be.

And it's not meaningless to have to answer for it in the press for the next few days, either. VY broke curfew. How big a penalty are you supposed to give a grown man for staying out late in the first place?

 

[TunaFan33]

Young will be okay... Just a preseason game, no biggie!

When I was a teen, there were times when my parents told me to come back a certain time, but when I would get back even ONE minute late, I would get grounded for a couple of weeks. Does that mean I'm a bad person? Did that mean I was going to be a career criminal? Was I someone who lacked discipline? Absolutely NOT.

Pt being is that we all make mistakes and do stupid things-but WITHOUT LEARNING from these CONSEQUENCES, we won't mature as a person.

Young will be fine-hopefully, he's learned from this. Fisher did the right thing. It's not the end of the world.

 

[peplaw06]

Ever been competitive about something? It's not meaningless to have someone playing in your spot, with your teamates. Practice. Preseason. Whatever. I don't think any games are meaningless to these guys; at least they shouldn't be.

I've been competitive about plenty of things. Preseason is basically practice, and he wasn't going to play more than 10 minutes or so, if that. How do you know that he would have played in the game at all? Is it because he actually had to be "suspended?"

And it's not meaningless to have to answer for it in the press for the next few days, either. VY broke curfew. How big a penalty are you supposed to give a grown man for staying out late in the first place?

Yeah I'm sure those pressers have been brutal.

And as far as what would be a better punishment... A fine is about all you can do. Holding some one out of one series of a meaningless game is not a punishment at all really.

 

[carphalen5150]

To be fair though, Young really stuggled with the telling time section of the Wonderlic. He kept saying it was 14 o'clock.

 

[AbeBeta]

It's embarrassing, and it made the point clear that he let his team down. And it's not fun to sit there watching somebody else playing your position, or answering questions in the press.

Fisher did what he should have done. It'll make the team stronger and not engender the bad blood that hitting the guy with a fine would have.

What is embarrassing is how his teammates reacted -- that shows clearly that a message is not being sent:

It was a little misstep, nothing to worry about," Titans running back LenDale White said.

Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was asked if the Titans were fortunate Young didn't break curfew before a regular-season game, and Haynesworth answered, "I don't know if he would be sitting out in the regular season, to be honest. Those games are a little more important.''

 

[CrazyCowboy]

and he paid the price

 

[Idgit]

What is embarrassing is how his teammates reacted -- that shows clearly that a message is not being sent:

It was a little misstep, nothing to worry about," Titans running back LenDale White said.

Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was asked if the Titans were fortunate Young didn't break curfew before a regular-season game, and Haynesworth answered, "I don't know if he would be sitting out in the regular season, to be honest. Those games are a little more important.''

It was a little misstep, and nothing to worry about. I'm not sure why you conclude the team didn't get the message.

And of course they're not going to sit their best player during a regular season game for breaking curfew. That's what fines are for, once you've escalated the issue you already addressed in preseason.

 

[AbeBeta]

It was a little misstep, and nothing to worry about. I'm not sure why you conclude the team didn't get the message.

And of course they're not going to sit their best player during a regular season game for breaking curfew. That's what fines are for, once you've escalated the issue you already addressed in preseason.

Actually, I don't think that if your team is mandated by the coach to stay in a hotel before the game and you ignore his orders that you can call that a little misstep.

Young is a 2nd year player who is being counted on as the face of the franchise and the offensive leader. He plays for a team that has had two players have major (and in one case, multiple) incidents that have brought terrible press to the team. He's got other guys on the team that are don't have the best of character and/or judgment (e.g., LenWhale White). He has a coach who almost lost his job last year and his on a short leash.

So what does Young do? He says "screw team rules." He didn't just break curfew - he didn't stay at the hotel at all. The team requires players with less than 4 years experience to stay at the team hotel the night before a game. Young chose to sleep at home (http://www.rctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070812/SPORTS01/708120402/1002/MTCN0302) . This isn't some guy losing track of time and getting in late. It is a player willfully ignoring his coach.

 

[Idgit]

Actually, I don't think that if your team is mandated by the coach to stay in a hotel before the game and you ignore his orders that you can call that a little misstep.

Young is a 2nd year player who is being counted on as the face of the franchise and the offensive leader. He plays for a team that has had two players have major (and in one case, multiple) incidents that have brought terrible press to the team. He's got other guys on the team that are don't have the best of character and/or judgment (e.g., LenWhale White). He has a coach who almost lost his job last year and his on a short leash.

So what does Young do? He says "screw team rules." He didn't just break curfew - he didn't stay at the hotel at all. The team requires players with less than 4 years experience to stay at the team hotel the night before a game. Young chose to sleep at home (http://www.rctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070812/SPORTS01/708120402/1002/MTCN0302) . This isn't some guy losing track of time and getting in late. It is a player willfully ignoring his coach.

This is new info to me, though I don't know that it changes my take all that much. I do think that's a bit worse than missing curfew. I missed the quote where he said 'screw the team rules.' That's definitely not cool.

This quote from your linked article does echo what I was saying to another poster earlier in the thread:

"He took it really hard, and not just when guys were around," defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth said. "But he has a lot on his shoulders. He has more on his shoulders than 52 other guys on this team. He made a mistake. He'll bounce back and be totally fine.''
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I really don't think this is all that much of an issue, anyway. And I don't see what fining the player was going to accomplish that benching him for a 'meaningless' game would not. Anybody care to bet he doesn't ignore the rule again?

 

[Kangaroo]

This is new info to me, though I don't know that it changes my take all that much. I do think that's a bit worse than missing curfew. I missed the quote where he said 'screw the team rules.' That's definitely not cool.

This quote from your linked article does echo what I was saying to another poster earlier in the thread:

"He took it really hard, and not just when guys were around," defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth said. "But he has a lot on his shoulders. He has more on his shoulders than 52 other guys on this team. He made a mistake. He'll bounce back and be totally fine.''
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I really don't think this is all that much of an issue, anyway. And I don't see what fining the player was going to accomplish that benching him for a 'meaningless' game would not. Anybody care to bet he doesn't ignore the rule again?

His actions speak louder than the words. Then I do not care about any war of words so i move on. Like I said this is a learning experience for a young QB he is the face of the team and he is consider the leader of the team. This is was lesson to Vince it is not a big deal unless he makes it a habit of it then well that becomes something else.

 

[AbeBeta]

This is new info to me, though I don't know that it changes my take all that much. I do think that's a bit worse than missing curfew. I missed the quote where he said 'screw the team rules.' That's definitely not cool.

This quote from your linked article does echo what I was saying to another poster earlier in the thread:

"He took it really hard, and not just when guys were around," defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth said. "But he has a lot on his shoulders. He has more on his shoulders than 52 other guys on this team. He made a mistake. He'll bounce back and be totally fine.''
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I really don't think this is all that much of an issue, anyway. And I don't see what fining the player was going to accomplish that benching him for a 'meaningless' game would not. Anybody care to bet he doesn't ignore the rule again?

He didn't say "screw team rules" -- that's the message it sends. Not what he said.

So what if he doesn't ignore the rule again? Directly ignoring your coach is just plain wrong and it makes it clear that he thinks he's more important that others.

Let me ask -- how does Haynesworth know how Young took it when no one was around?

 

[AbeBeta]

His actions speak louder than the words. Then I do not care about any war of words so i move on. Like I said this is a learning experience for a young QB he is the face of the team and he is consider the leader of the team. This is was lesson to Vince it is not a big deal unless he makes it a habit of it then well that becomes something else.

This is not a lesson that someone should be learning at this stage. It isn't like he lost track of time -- he stayed at home when the rule is that you stay at the hotel. He must have known the rule, having likely stayed at the team hotel 10 or so times for home games already.

That isn't the sort of lesson that someone should need to learn. This isn't getting up late and missing a flight -- this isn't an accident. It is a direct refusal to adhere to a rule.

Most people learned that as children. To me, this support the whispers that Young isn't all that smart. Smart people can think things through and see how their actions might cause negative repercussions. They don't need to get punished to learn.

 

[superpunk]

I think both sides are right.

It is a mostly meaningless gesture that does serve a small purpose - it was small because Vince is not a repeat offender and it's only the preseason. But - It definitely embarassed Vince to not get out there, so hopefully he learned a lesson even if noone else did.

 

[Idgit]

He didn't say "screw team rules" -- that's the message it sends. Not what he said.

I know what you were trying to say; I was playing dumb and I'm good at it.

So what if he doesn't ignore the rule again? Directly ignoring your coach is just plain wrong and it makes it clear that he thinks he's more important that others.

Let me ask -- how does Haynesworth know how Young took it when no one was around?

I don't know what Haynesworth was getting at with that part of the quote. The guy's an idiot, and I quoted him re: the point that Young took the benching to heart only. Or maybe he's a zen master. Unlikely, though.

Please don't think that I think ignoring a team rule is right. It's just that consequences need to map pretty carefully to actions. If Fisher had overeacted in this instance, he'd have fewer options the next time his star QB digresses and maybe some resentment to overcome. It's pretty clear to me that this was a case where VY pushed his envelope to see what would happen, and now he knows. If he were at all flippant in the press about the temporary demotion, or if he teammates were to indicate publicly that he didn't take the move seriously, I might agree with your take.