Theory that no one's going to admit if it's valid: Dan Campbell = Prototype

[_sturt_]

When they got in the room together following the revelation that McCarthy wasn't coming back, they sat around and discussed what they should be looking for... and at some point, it came to light (whether it was explicitly put this way or not, but I'd even wager that it was) that they wanted to hire the next Dan Campbell.

And while Schotty almost certainly didn't surface immediately as an option, once his name came up (how ever it came up)... this is what made it easier for them to imagine him being the hire. There are a lot of similarities in terms of personality and in terms of relatively limited achievement over 10+ years on a coaching staff.

Now, they're not going to want to talk about it from that perspective. Maybe if Campbell was a former head coach, maybe if Campbell had actually gotten his team to a Super Bowl already. But lacking that, relatively speaking, it's not all that high of a standard bearer. And at least as salient, Schotty already enters the room having a legitimate shadow hanging over him, and there's no comparison to be had between his dad's success over decades, and what Campbell's enjoyed only for about two seasons really now.

All I'm sayin is... Campbell's name was at least mentioned as a possible hire when McCarthy got the call, and I think the Joneses relish the idea that they still yet could end up with someone after all who is cut from similar cloth and might end up being similarly successful here.

Who says I'm wrong? I mean, it's just idle speculation. But I've been turning it over in my head the last 24 hours or so, and it rings true to me anyways.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CampDa1.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchoBr0.htm

 

[Cowboys5217]

This is part of the "bargaining stage".

 

[Proof]

i don't see how they compare at all other than at one point neither were hc's

 

[_sturt_]

This is part of the "bargaining stage".

hehe... well, no... this is knowing how well liked the guy was when he was here, and how Jerry's been before about guys he let get away, both players and coaches.

i don't see how they compare at all other than at one point neither were hc's

I can't not see it. But you do you. They're both big on the relationships thing. Big. And. Commanding a room, as they say. And. Both just ooze with passion. Granted, Campbell's a larger more intimidating body, but it's easy to imagine if Schotty were that large a man, he'd be a virtual clone in terms of his presence.

 

[wecasa]

We will see how great Campbell is without his coordinators.

 

[_sturt_]

We will see how great Campbell is without his coordinators.

True. But to be clear, I'm not even alleging that Campbell is special. I'm only speculating that qualities that they see in Schotty are qualities they have admired... and perhaps wished they'd taken a risk on, who knows... about Campbell since he started having success in DET.

 

[Proof]

hehe... well, no... this is knowing how well liked the guy was when he was here, and how Jerry's been before about guys he let get away, both players and coaches.



I can't not see it. But you do you. They're both big on the relationships thing. Big. And. Commanding a room, as they say. And. Both just ooze with passion. Granted, Campbell's a larger more intimidating body, but it's easy to imagine if Schotty were that large a man, he'd be a virtual clone in terms of his presence.

gotcha. i don't get any commanding presence from brian. at all. i don't see anything that you do in him personally. hope for the best though.

 

[Bobhaze]

When they got in the room together following the revelation that McCarthy wasn't coming back, they sat around and discussed what they should be looking for... and at some point, it came to light (whether it was explicitly put this way or not, but I'd even wager that it was) that they wanted to hire the next Dan Campbell.

And while Schotty almost certainly didn't surface immediately as an option, once his name came up (how ever it came up)... this is what made it easier for them to imagine him being the hire. There are a lot of similarities in terms of personality and in terms of relatively limited achievement over 10+ years on a coaching staff.

Now, they're not going to want to talk about it from that perspective. Maybe if Campbell was a former head coach, maybe if Campbell had actually gotten his team to a Super Bowl already. But lacking that, relatively speaking, it's not all that high of a standard bearer. And at least as salient, Schotty already enters the room having a legitimate shadow hanging over him, and there's no comparison to be had between his dad's success over decades, and what Campbell's enjoyed only for about two seasons really now.

All I'm sayin is... Campbell's name was at least mentioned as a possible hire when McCarthy got the call, and I think the Joneses relish the idea that they still yet could end up with someone after all who is cut from similar cloth and might end up being similarly successful here.

Who says I'm wrong? I mean, it's just idle speculation. But I've been turning it over in my head the last 24 hours or so, and it rings true to me anyways.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CampDa1.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchoBr0.htm

I believe Jerry and SJ just don’t think like normal football GMs who are driven to win a championship. Their priorities in hiring a HC are completely different than what normal football leaders whose careers are on the line each season to find the best coaches and players they can.

If Jerry was really serious about hiring a great head coach, he would not have hired Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett and now Brian Schottenheimer. With no cap on spending on coaches, he goes CHEAP. Instead of looking for real coaching talent, he looks for cheap, easy to dominate types that won’t overshadow him.

Jerry is going to make Schotty one of the lowest paid HCs in the NFL. The richest owner in pro sports pays his HC chump change compared to the rest of the league. Schotty will be lowest paid HC in the NFC East next year and probably in the lower third of the league.

We have a gold plated stadium, luxury facilities and dime store coaches. If you are seriously trying to win a championship that makes zero sense.

 

[CATCH17]

If you were trying your best to win a Super Bowl would you hire Brian Schottenheimer?

 

[dupree89]

I mean, it's just idle speculation. But I've been turning it over in my head the last 24 hours or so

It's good that you got it out, sturt. It's always best if we share our thoughts with someone and not keep it bottled up inside.

 

[JW82]

Not even an ounce similarities.

One is The Mountain and the other is Mr Rodgers.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I mean lets shoot for Cambell's GM....

 

[BoyzBlaster]

This is part of the "bargaining stage".

Classic

 

[acr731]

If you were trying your best to win a Super Bowl would you hire Brian Schottenheimer?

No, I wouldn't. But I wouldn't have paid Dak either if winning was a priority.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

hehe... well, no... this is knowing how well liked the guy was when he was here, and how Jerry's been before about guys he let get away, both players and coaches.



I can't not see it. But you do you. They're both big on the relationships thing. Big. And. Commanding a room, as they say. And. Both just ooze with passion. Granted, Campbell's a larger more intimidating body, but it's easy to imagine if Schotty were that large a man, he'd be a virtual clone in terms of his presence.

This has to be sarcasm. You got "ooze with passion" from that presser?

 

[LysleE]

i don't see how they compare at all other than at one point neither were hc's

Agreed…I think it’s ludicrous to draw comparisons of Scotty to some of the top coaches (Campbell and Reid) when Dallas’ new HC has been a journeyman OC,for 27 years and for the past several years in name only, without play calling responsibilities.
Jerry and Co. trying hard to really sell this “diamond in the rough” angle.

 

[garyo1954]

Optimism is a wonderful thing

I believe Booger was sitting around expecting the phones to be hot with coaches who wanted the coveted job

When hat didn't happen, he dumped the choice to little Banjo who tabbed Schott.
Then Booger and Banjo started the spiel on how he was the best pick.

 

[Havic]

Any coordinator with half a brain will look good in Detroit. Top tier talent at all skill positions and a great O-line. The weakest link on Offense is Goff but he had a pretty incredible year.

 

[Coogiguy03]

When they got in the room together following the revelation that McCarthy wasn't coming back, they sat around and discussed what they should be looking for... and at some point, it came to light (whether it was explicitly put this way or not, but I'd even wager that it was) that they wanted to hire the next Dan Campbell.

And while Schotty almost certainly didn't surface immediately as an option, once his name came up (how ever it came up)... this is what made it easier for them to imagine him being the hire. There are a lot of similarities in terms of personality and in terms of relatively limited achievement over 10+ years on a coaching staff.

Now, they're not going to want to talk about it from that perspective. Maybe if Campbell was a former head coach, maybe if Campbell had actually gotten his team to a Super Bowl already. But lacking that, relatively speaking, it's not all that high of a standard bearer. And at least as salient, Schotty already enters the room having a legitimate shadow hanging over him, and there's no comparison to be had between his dad's success over decades, and what Campbell's enjoyed only for about two seasons really now.

All I'm sayin is... Campbell's name was at least mentioned as a possible hire when McCarthy got the call, and I think the Joneses relish the idea that they still yet could end up with someone after all who is cut from similar cloth and might end up being similarly successful here.

Who says I'm wrong? I mean, it's just idle speculation. But I've been turning it over in my head the last 24 hours or so, and it rings true to me anyways.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/CampDa1.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchoBr0.htm

Witten is the only reason why they feel they can get this

 

[RonWashington]

Miami should have kept Campbell as HC . That owner is a dummy . Now you have an injury prone QB in Miami not taking you anywhere . Yikes . Sound familiar ?

I wish Schott all the best . The kind of staff they put together is critical .