U.S. New Home Sales Drop 33% in May

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/business/economy/24home.html?ref=business

U.S. New Home Sales Drop 33% in May
By CHRISTINE HAUSER

Published: June 23, 2010


Sales of new homes dropped to a record low in May, according to new government figures released Wednesday, providing a gauge of the market’s dependence on a federal stimulus program.

The Commerce Department figures showed that new single-family homes sold at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 300,000 in May, down 32.7 percent from the revised April rate of 446,000.

Analysts had expected sales to fall to about 400,000 in May after a government tax credit for new buyers expired at the end of April. Many said the actual figure was exceedingly low.

“That new home sales would decline in May following the expiration of the home buyers credit is not at all surprising,” said Dan Greenhaus, chief economic strategist for Miller Tabak, in a research note. “However, we would be lying if we said the size of the drop was not shocking.”

Mr. Greenhaus said the 32.7 percent drop was the largest since the government started compiling the data in 1963, surpassing the 23.8 percent decline in January 1994. The May sales rate is 18.3 percent below that of May 2009, when the figure was 367,000.

Joshua Shapiro, chief United States economist for MFR, said it would be wrong to see anything dire in one month’s data, but it did underscore how important the federal stimulus had been in propping up the market, suggesting that the stimulus had masked economic weaknesses.
“And now you are going to see some weak numbers for a while,” Mr. Shapiro said. “We think prices have to come down further and there is too much supply. It is going to be quite a struggle for several months.”

Home sales can offer insight into the state of the economic recovery because of their implications for consumer spending and the way they reflect the health of the job market. The news followed a weak report on Tuesday about existing home sales, which also fell in May compared with April.
Patrick Newport, the United States economist for IHS Global Insight, said he believed the tax credit had a significant impact on existing home sales, but hardly any on sales of new homes.

Looking at the figures by month starting in March, he calculated that only about 11,200 additional new homes were sold because of the tax credit. “In an economy that puts up about 1.5 million homes during normal times, these are very small numbers,” he said.

The tax credit “has just muddled the data,” said Mr. Newport. “I personally think the tax credit has mainly shifted activity from one period to another.”
He said that sales should improve, perhaps as early as this month, because of job growth and inventory restocking.

On Wednesday, the stock market turned lower after the home sales report and ahead of a Federal Reserve statement on interest rates after a two-day meeting of its policy committee. Before noon the Dow Jones Industrial Average was down 30.68 points, or 0.3 percent, at 10,262,84. The Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index was 0.55 percent lower, and the Nasdaq composite was down 0.65 percent.

The home sales report also set off a bout of dollar and yen buying as people sought safer investments than stocks, according to a currency analyst. “The dollar had already started recovering before the news as the equity market failed to hold initial gains, but the news has seen the dollar’s rise accelerate,” said Marc Chandler, global head of currency strategy at Brown Brothers Harriman.

It also spurred aggressive buying in the Treasury markets, which Guy LeBas, chief fixed income strategist for Janney Montgomery Scott, described as a “knee-jerk reaction.”

The seasonally adjusted estimate of new houses for sale at the end of May was 213,000, representing a supply of 8.5 months at the current sales rate, the government report said. The median sales price of new houses sold in May was $200,900, while the average sales price was $263,400.

But Mr. Greenhaus noted that one month of data did not necessarily indicate a trend, and said that prices, which are about 10 percent lower than in 2009, continued to improve.
 

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People were just too excited about the World Cup to buy houses.
 

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I fully expected it, unemployment is still so high and there is so much uncertainty out there. Until the Private sector starts putting people back to work expect some tough times.
 

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Houses seem to be selling around me. I think 3-4 have sold recently or are in the process of closing now.

Their selling in several price ranges too. From $670k-$3.7M
 

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nyc;3441521 said:
Houses seem to be selling around me. I think 3-4 have sold recently or are in the process of closing now.

Their selling in several price ranges too. From $670k-$3.7M

Are those new homes? I work in the construction business and new home construction is slow. Buyers have some options if they have the funds. They don't have to buy new homes. They can buy existing homes especially homes in foreclosure.
 

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I've been thinking about looking for a condo and giving up renting but in NY that's easier said than done. I also feel that at (almost) 28, I'm a bit young to own a place...

I don't really know anyone my age, in NY, that owns. Everyone rents.

I have dreams of remodeling a palce and all that though, I really am in love with the idea of having my own place and knowing improvements can help the value of the place.
 

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I worked in Real Estate. Four years ago our total Realtors numbered more than 21000. I put my license on inactive status in March. We were down to 12,000 then.

The only business I had in the last two years were first time homebuyers/stimulus buyers and some folks relocating for work. Its a very tough business right now, more so than the late 70's/early 80's I've been told.
 

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nyc;3441521 said:
Houses seem to be selling around me. I think 3-4 have sold recently or are in the process of closing now.

Their selling in several price ranges too. From $670k-$3.7M

$670 in NYC? That is what a one room shack? :laugh2:
 

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Yeagermeister;3441891 said:
$670 in NYC? That is what a one room shack? :laugh2:

lol reminds me when I drove past these nice housing developments, and it had a big sign saying houses starting from $400s.

So I was like, "only 400 dollar rent, sign me up!"

But alas...
 

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joseephuss;3441671 said:
Are those new homes? I work in the construction business and new home construction is slow. Buyers have some options if they have the funds. They don't have to buy new homes. They can buy existing homes especially homes in foreclosure.

There isn't a whole lot of new construction around here. (no place for it) If there is, it's because they tore down an existing home to build the new one.

TheCount;3441841 said:
I don't really know anyone my age, in NY, that owns. Everyone rents.
You know me and I own! :) Though, I am a few years older. (36)

Yeagermeister;3441891 said:
$670 in NYC? That is what a one room shack? :laugh2:
:laugh2: I tell you, it ain't much! It's usually not in a very nice area either. Occasionally you can find something in a nice area that is cheaper (ie, sub $1M) than the other houses around it, but it usually means that it's a tear down, or it needs to be gutted, inside and out. Thats what our house was. We completely gutted the house. By the time you completely gut the house, you end up spending as much as the surrounding houses, but the interior is usually nicer than the houses around it. We spent almost an entire year redoing everything.

btw, I actually do not live in NY anymore. I still work in lower Manhatten, but I've moved to lower Connecticut. It's still a suburb of NYC, but the property taxes are like night and day!
 

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SaltwaterServr;3441848 said:
I worked in Real Estate. Four years ago our total Realtors numbered more than 21000. I put my license on inactive status in March. We were down to 12,000 then.

The only business I had in the last two years were first time homebuyers/stimulus buyers and some folks relocating for work. Its a very tough business right now, more so than the late 70's/early 80's I've been told.

Nothing personal but it is hard to have sympathy for realtors -- realtors helped drive the market up and profited immensely from it. More importantly, realtors continued to lie to people about the market and how hot it was long after the bubble burst. Realtors were in complete and total denial about trends they should have been in an excellent place to understand.
 

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AbeBeta;3442496 said:
Nothing personal but it is hard to have sympathy for realtors -- realtors helped drive the market up and profited immensely from it. More importantly, realtors continued to lie to people about the market and how hot it was long after the bubble burst. Realtors were in complete and total denial about trends they should have been in an excellent place to understand.

No kidding. When we bought our house. We found it the day after it was listed by the realtor, negotiated the price, and closed on the mortgage is just under six weeks. The seller told us she paid $37,500 in realtor commission. That is $37,500 for less than six weeks work. Most of the work was done in the first two weeks as the last four we were closing with the bank.

I can only imagine was a freaking payday those guys get when they sell a $5-$40M home. In the NYC metro area, there are tens of thousands of homes in that price range!
 

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nyc;3442557 said:
No kidding. When we bought our house. We found it the day after it was listed by the realtor, negotiated the price, and closed on the mortgage is just under six weeks. The seller told us she paid $37,500 in realtor commission. That is $37,500 for less than six weeks work. Most of the work was done in the first two weeks as the last four we were closing with the bank.

I can only imagine was a freaking payday those guys get when they sell a $5-$40M home. In the NYC metro area, there are tens of thousands of homes in that price range!

Even worse... when the market is smoking not only are they pulling down greater commissions but a ton of the work that makes their jobs challenging goes away. At one point here realtors were not only advising everyone to make "strong" offers that were substantially over asking price but also to make "clean" offers that did not require anything of the seller (i.e., "as is" sales).
 

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AbeBeta;3442496 said:
Nothing personal but it is hard to have sympathy for realtors -- realtors helped drive the market up and profited immensely from it. More importantly, realtors continued to lie to people about the market and how hot it was long after the bubble burst. Realtors were in complete and total denial about trends they should have been in an excellent place to understand.

:lmao2:

I'm not even going to touch that it's so out of place with the reality of what actually happened.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3442843 said:
:lmao2:

I'm not even going to touch that it's so out of place with the reality of what actually happened.

Just like a realtor, believing so strongly that your "ethics" are not overrun every single day by self-interest.
 

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AbeBeta;3443037 said:
Just like a realtor, believing so strongly that your "ethics" are not overrun every single day by self-interest.

And just like a person who has no dealing in the industry, thinking it's 100% the Realtor's fault. Common sense went out the window years ago.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3443061 said:
And just like a person who has no dealing in the industry, thinking it's 100% the Realtor's fault. Common sense went out the window years ago.

There certainly is no "common sense" but you combine that clear data that clearly show that realtors tend to act out of self-interest (e.g., when realtors sell their own homes they keep them on the market much longer than homes they represent and tend to get a higher % of asking) - it is also clear that the self-interest took the form of complete denial of where the market was headed.

You tell me son. When selling a home you didn't ever say "look how much the value of homes has gone up over the last XXX years" as a selling point ... knowing full well that it wouldn't continue or that the trend had either slowed or turned around completely. Sure you didn't

But you are right -- mortgage brokers owe in the blame too. Of course, realtor collude with brokers so that isn't really shifting the blame.
 

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AbeBeta;3443082 said:
There certainly is no "common sense" but you combine that clear data that clearly show that realtors tend to act out of self-interest (e.g., when realtors sell their own homes they keep them on the market much longer than homes they represent and tend to get a higher % of asking) - it is also clear that the self-interest took the form of complete denial of where the market was headed.

You tell me son. When selling a home you didn't ever say "look how much the value of homes has gone up over the last XXX years" as a selling point ... knowing full well that it wouldn't continue or that the trend had either slowed or turned around completely. Sure you didn't

But you are right -- mortgage brokers owe in the blame too. Of course, realtor collude with brokers so that isn't really shifting the blame.

1. Show me the data.

2. San Antonio was in a long term upswing in housing values and to this day remains below value with respect to the rest of the United States. I advised clients who were looking to buy foreclosures, hold them for two years and then flip them that their current homes were going to sit awhile. It's why we show clients time on market for any homes in their area. Common practice.

3. Realtors collude with mortgage brokers? Maybe some do, those who want to end up in jail. See, they have these people called "appraisers" that fit in there as well, but, nevermind. All Realtors as blood sucking parasites so **** it. I really don't care to debate it from someone coming in to conversation with the bias you've shown.
 

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1. Show me the data.

Go to Steve Levitt's web page and read any of his articles on Real Estate economics.

2. San Antonio was in a long term upswing in housing values and to this day remains below value with respect to the rest of the United States. I advised clients who were looking to buy foreclosures, hold them for two years and then flip them that their current homes were going to sit awhile. It's why we show clients time on market for any homes in their area. Common practice.

Yep. Cherry pick. You know there is a difference between the exciting lookeee here stuff and the disclaimers.

3. Realtors collude with mortgage brokers? Maybe some do, those who want to end up in jail. See, they have these people called "appraisers" that fit in there as well, but, nevermind. All Realtors as blood sucking parasites so **** it. I really don't care to debate it from someone coming in to conversation with the bias you've shown.

Yeah. Realtors never pressure loan agents. Never ever ever called and said "come on, up that pre approval..."
 

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AbeBeta;3443127 said:
SaltwaterServr;3443107 said:
Go to Steve Levitt's web page and read any of his articles on Real Estate economics.



Yep. Cherry pick. You know there is a difference between the exciting lookeee here stuff and the disclaimers.



Yeah. Realtors never pressure loan agents. Never ever ever called and said "come on, up that pre approval..."

Alright. Realtors deal with the stress and economics of house sales everyday. The emotional aspect of that is lessened for us. Polls consistently show that people put buying/selling a house up there with death in the family and divorce. They'll do stupid things like settle on a deal rather than pursue the best possible price for a property. A car salesman won't sell his car for less than what it's worth, but any idiot will. Same with Realtors. We know the market. We know what the market will bear. We'll wait. Sucks for the idiot that gets impatient.

Cherry pick the idiots selling or buying then. Most people want only the bottom line, what they will take from the sale or what they'll be paying at purchase. My job was, and always has been, to show them each and every aspect of the deal.

Yeah, come up on the pre-approval? Okay, that'll end you up being read "How do you plead?" Collusion is collusion and what you're saying happens is still illegal. The process is there for a purpose. Within a very narrow set of circumstances a person with X debt load and Y income can afford Z amount of home loan. There exists nothing that can change that equation without documentation that wasn't submitted in the first place. Not to mention it still has to go through underwriting.

Now the idiots who came up with zero-doc pre-aps and loans need to have their hands cut off. Nothing there could eveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer go wrong. First time I ever saw that I laughed. Same with online pre-aps and pre-quals. Don't bring me that garbage unless you want to give me emergency toilet paper.

We had a list in my office of the mortgage brokers in town that was updated monthly. Every single mortgage broker that had a face we could talk to. Even the online guys had a local person that we'd go sit in front of to run the numbers. The online faceless companies I have little to no respect for. Too many times I've had clients that stuck with using them and ended up pushing off closings because the HUD-1 came back with tons of add-on fees.

The "fee for purchasing the right to abdicate the purchase of buy-down points" or something like that was my favorite. The person was getting charged to make the purchase of a right to not purchase something. Double dip much for nothing?
 
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