Upon Further Review: O-Line Deep Dive

McMicah

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Went back and watched each offense play 5-10x to see how our big boys did. Here is my assessment:

Before I start, let me just say they schemed ALOT of naked bootlegs, misdirections, and quick throws to limit the Browns D. That limits my ability to see how they handle sustained blocks. Also some of you are going to complain that the run game wasn’t great. Well the Cleveland D is just really really good. And our ball carriers rarely broke a tackle.

Guyton - B+: That’s not a B+ in the context of his situation, it’s just a straight up B+ as a LT in the NFL…in his first game…against Myles Garrett. It wasn’t always graceful or pretty, but Guyton survived Garrett without too many scars. Garrett legitimately beat him 3x, all around the outside, once hitting prescotts arm as he threw. But he never got beat so bad that Garrett was behind him. He was always in contact, and Dak had room to climb the pocket in two of those reps. There were multiple reps where Smith handed his guy to Beebe so he could help Guyton, and he realized Guyton didn’t need help. In the run game…wow! This dude is awesome. Go watch him reach block and seal a weak side lb on the first play. He’s so fast and strong. I have no notes for him in the run game. He did have one stupid block in the back call.

Smith - A: Best Lineman. Most of the game he was given babysitting duty for Guyton, but he never let a rusher get by. Not even close. He was a wrecking ball in the run game and fun to watch. Beautiful handling of stunts

Beebe - A-: Ok an A- sounds crazy, but this guy has NEVER. PLAYED. CENTER. He had clean snaps, he got the alignments calls right on every play but maybe the all out blitz that ended in a TD to cooks. He kept the pocket clean all game, handled stunts with both Zack and Tyler beautifully, and got decent push in the run game. He also hustled his rear end off, and did a lot of the things we liked about Hoffman playing to the whistle. Get excited about this dude.

Martin - B: This will get me banned I’m sure. Martin was my lowest graded lineman, which sounds insane but that’s how he fell. He gave up the early sack to Dak, and he was on the ground a lot in this game. He still played with finesse, but there were a couple plays he just straight up took a break and if he had kept his block it would’ve sprung a much larger gain. Father Time is undefeated, so consider this the voice in the wilderness telling you guys that Martin is on the decline. I think we saw shades of this last year too.

Steele - B+: Steele also had a B originally, but got a bump at the last minute. He did give up a sack getting beat to the outside, but he played very well in the run game, showed good hustle, and handled Garrett decently when he came over. I think this might be closer to 2022 Steele than 2023 Steele

Special mentions: Leupke is so fun to watch, Ferguson had good and bad plays blocking, TEs as a unit probably grade out as a B-, Leupke as an A-

Hot take: Dowdle is just as good at pass blocking as Zeke, and is the better runner
 

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Went back and watched each offense play 5-10x to see how our big boys did. Here is my assessment:

Before I start, let me just say they schemed ALOT of naked bootlegs, misdirections, and quick throws to limit the Browns D. That limits my ability to see how they handle sustained blocks. Also some of you are going to complain that the run game wasn’t great. Well the Cleveland D is just really really good. And our ball carriers rarely broke a tackle.

Guyton - B+: That’s not a B+ in the context of his situation, it’s just a straight up B+ as a LT in the NFL…in his first game…against Myles Garrett. It wasn’t always graceful or pretty, but Guyton survived Garrett without too many scars. Garrett legitimately beat him 3x, all around the outside, once hitting prescotts arm as he threw. But he never got beat so bad that Garrett was behind him. He was always in contact, and Dak had room to climb the pocket in two of those reps. There were multiple reps where Smith handed his guy to Beebe so he could help Guyton, and he realized Guyton didn’t need help. In the run game…wow! This dude is awesome. Go watch him reach block and seal a weak side lb on the first play. He’s so fast and strong. I have no notes for him in the run game. He did have one stupid block in the back call.

Smith - A: Best Lineman. Most of the game he was given babysitting duty for Guyton, but he never let a rusher get by. Not even close. He was a wrecking ball in the run game and fun to watch. Beautiful handling of stunts

Beebe - A-: Ok an A- sounds crazy, but this guy has NEVER. PLAYED. CENTER. He had clean snaps, he got the alignments calls right on every play but maybe the all out blitz that ended in a TD to cooks. He kept the pocket clean all game, handled stunts with both Zack and Tyler beautifully, and got decent push in the run game. He also hustled his rear end off, and did a lot of the things we liked about Hoffman playing to the whistle. Get excited about this dude.

Martin - B: This will get me banned I’m sure. Martin was my lowest graded lineman, which sounds insane but that’s how he fell. He gave up the early sack to Dak, and he was on the ground a lot in this game. He still played with finesse, but there were a couple plays he just straight up took a break and if he had kept his block it would’ve sprung a much larger gain. Father Time is undefeated, so consider this the voice in the wilderness telling you guys that Martin is on the decline. I think we saw shades of this last year too.

Steele - B+: Steele also had a B originally, but got a bump at the last minute. He did give up a sack getting beat to the outside, but he played very well in the run game, showed good hustle, and handled Garrett decently when he came over. I think this might be closer to 2022 Steele than 2023 Steele

Special mentions: Leupke is so fun to watch, Ferguson had good and bad plays blocking, TEs as a unit probably grade out as a B-, Leupke as an A-

Hot take: Dowdle is just as good at pass blocking as Zeke, and is the better runner
Not crazy, agree on Zach Martin. I look at Smith as the Zach replacement so hopefully Bass, Richards or someone else can be the other guard because I don’t see the Boys keeping Martin past this year.
 

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Tomlinson put a nasty move on Martin and got to whack Prescott head on. something that would of been unthinkable 3-4 years ago seeing Martin beat like that.

He's still good, but yea, he seems to have fallen off from God-tier Guard.
 

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The Cleveland DL is legit. Good to see the rooks handle their business.

Martin will round into form. Just knocking off the rust.

Gotta say it was nice to see a C that can actually anchor in pass pro and get push in the running game.
 

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Zach’s last ride. They’ll need to shift his salary over to Tyler Smith
 

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Yeah I agree about Martin. I just hope we don’t hold on to him long like we did with Smith. I though Tyron should’ve been let to walk years ago
 

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Grades way too high for a run game that didn’t get consistent movement or move the ball at all in the second half
He's a zeke hater. He's gonna inflate o line run blocking and blame zeke for it.
Notice how for the o line....the Cleveland d is really good....but for rbs they could break many tackles.

I'm not saying I saw 2016 zeke....but he did exactly what he was brought here to do. And ni Rico won't be able to consistently block like zeke.
 

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Myles was working Guyton especially early on. Definitely though Guyton got away with a few holding calls. I don’t think any holding on the oline was called all games. The rookies got a couple of illegal pushes in the back by penalties . Beebe almost took out Zeke knees
 

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The Cleveland DL is legit. Good to see the rooks handle their business.

Martin will round into form. Just knocking off the rust.

Gotta say it was nice to see a C that can actually anchor in pass pro and get push in the running game.
He at the least held his own. Marvelous to see.
 

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He's a zeke hater. He's gonna inflate o line run blocking and blame zeke for it.
Notice how for the o line....the Cleveland d is really good....but for rbs they could break many tackles.

I'm not saying I saw 2016 zeke....but he did exactly what he was brought here to do. And ni Rico won't be able to consistently block like zeke.
How can someone qualify as a Zeke hater in 2024. The dude is ancient in RB years and hasn’t been elite since maybe 2018-2019. I think it’s ok to expect 2024 Zeke to not break a lot of tackles. Being realistic about a player isn’t hating. Also, I like Dowdle, but was disappointed he didn’t make more guys miss.
 

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Yeah I agree about Martin. I just hope we don’t hold on to him long like we did with Smith. I though Tyron should’ve been let to walk years ago
Honestly? I’d trade him this year if I’m Jerry and could get good draft capital. Ball and Bass are good guards. Again, that’ll get me banned for saying that
 

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Went back and watched each offense play 5-10x to see how our big boys did. Here is my assessment:

Before I start, let me just say they schemed ALOT of naked bootlegs, misdirections, and quick throws to limit the Browns D. That limits my ability to see how they handle sustained blocks. Also some of you are going to complain that the run game wasn’t great. Well the Cleveland D is just really really good. And our ball carriers rarely broke a tackle.

Guyton - B+: That’s not a B+ in the context of his situation, it’s just a straight up B+ as a LT in the NFL…in his first game…against Myles Garrett. It wasn’t always graceful or pretty, but Guyton survived Garrett without too many scars. Garrett legitimately beat him 3x, all around the outside, once hitting prescotts arm as he threw. But he never got beat so bad that Garrett was behind him. He was always in contact, and Dak had room to climb the pocket in two of those reps. There were multiple reps where Smith handed his guy to Beebe so he could help Guyton, and he realized Guyton didn’t need help. In the run game…wow! This dude is awesome. Go watch him reach block and seal a weak side lb on the first play. He’s so fast and strong. I have no notes for him in the run game. He did have one stupid block in the back call.

Smith - A: Best Lineman. Most of the game he was given babysitting duty for Guyton, but he never let a rusher get by. Not even close. He was a wrecking ball in the run game and fun to watch. Beautiful handling of stunts

Beebe - A-: Ok an A- sounds crazy, but this guy has NEVER. PLAYED. CENTER. He had clean snaps, he got the alignments calls right on every play but maybe the all out blitz that ended in a TD to cooks. He kept the pocket clean all game, handled stunts with both Zack and Tyler beautifully, and got decent push in the run game. He also hustled his rear end off, and did a lot of the things we liked about Hoffman playing to the whistle. Get excited about this dude.

Martin - B: This will get me banned I’m sure. Martin was my lowest graded lineman, which sounds insane but that’s how he fell. He gave up the early sack to Dak, and he was on the ground a lot in this game. He still played with finesse, but there were a couple plays he just straight up took a break and if he had kept his block it would’ve sprung a much larger gain. Father Time is undefeated, so consider this the voice in the wilderness telling you guys that Martin is on the decline. I think we saw shades of this last year too.

Steele - B+: Steele also had a B originally, but got a bump at the last minute. He did give up a sack getting beat to the outside, but he played very well in the run game, showed good hustle, and handled Garrett decently when he came over. I think this might be closer to 2022 Steele than 2023 Steele

Special mentions: Leupke is so fun to watch, Ferguson had good and bad plays blocking, TEs as a unit probably grade out as a B-, Leupke as an A-

Hot take: Dowdle is just as good at pass blocking as Zeke, and is the better runner
I would only add that Turpin finally got his...... beautiful to see
 

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Honestly? I’d trade him this year if I’m Jerry and could get good draft capital. Ball and Bass are good guards. Again, that’ll get me banned for saying that
Speak freely about any player.....there should be no sacred cows here.

Call it as you see it based on observation
 
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