What I hope gets accomplished in this draft

[Cowboyny]

10 picks, in which we have 4 inside the top 100:

-I want 2 at minimum day 1, plug and play impact starters, where a third is apart of our DL rotation as a rookie. This isn't too difficult when we are picking in the top 10 every rd.

-Early focus on the secondary, then load up on the front 7. I would like to see the first 2 or 3 picks spent on corner and safety, then load up on front 7 players. NT, an inside/outside player better then Crawford or an Edge rusher. I see 3 elite Free Safeties, might have to overdraft to get Holland.

-Add numbers to the linebacker positional group. We are well aware of the uncertainty after this season. Lve's option might not be picked up, it is easier to release Jaylon after this season cap wise and Neal is just playing on a 1 yr contract. Add 1 top 100 pick, 2 on day 3 with one being a hybrid.

-Find a developmental tackle

Not trying to pigeon hole any position for a particular slot and fully aware a) not all needs will be address and b) they aren't going to take a full defensive class, less 1 offensive lineman.

-CB/S day 1 starters
-Future starter at NT, part of the rotation yr 1
-Depth at both linebacker/defensive line
-Developmental future starting Tackle

 

[cowboyec]

i want...in no particular order
cb...surtain or horn
s
2 dt's
de
2 lb's
alaric jackson ot iowa
wr
te

 

[Stash]

10 picks, in which we have 4 inside the top 100:

-I want 2 at minimum day 1, plug and play impact starters, where a third is apart of our DL rotation as a rookie. This isn't too difficult when we are picking in the top 10 every rd.

-Early focus on the secondary, then load up on the front 7. I would like to see the first 2 or 3 picks spent on corner and safety, then load up on front 7 players. NT, an inside/outside player better then Crawford or an Edge rusher. I see 3 elite Free Safeties, might have to overdraft to get Holland.

-Add numbers to the linebacker positional group. We are well aware of the uncertainty after this season. Lve's option might not be picked up, it is easier to release Jaylon after this season cap wise and Neal is just playing on a 1 yr contract. Add 1 top 100 pick, 2 on day 3 with one being a hybrid.

-Find a developmental tackle

Not trying to pigeon hole any position for a particular slot and fully aware a) not all needs will be address and b) they aren't going to take a full defensive class, less 1 offensive lineman.

-CB/S day 1 starters
-Future starter at NT, part of the rotation yr 1
-Depth at both linebacker/defensive line
-Developmental future starting Tackle

Done and done!

10. Patrick Surtain II CB Alabama

74. Jabril Cox LB LSU

100. Andre Cisco S Syracuse

111. Tutu Atwell WR Louisville

115. Bobby Brown DT Texas A&M

126. Jaylen Twyman DT Pittsburgh

133. Monty Rice LB Georgia

138. Daelin Hayes EDGE Notre Dame

149. Divine Deablo S Virginia Tech

160. Shaka Toney EDGE Penn State

164. Marvin Wilson DT Florida State

166. David Moore OG Grambling State

179. Derrick Barnes LB Purdue

189. Nick Eubanks TE Michigan

190. Thomas Graham CB Oregon

192. Khyiris Tonga DT BYU

198. Alaric Jackson OT Iowa

2022 ARI 4th

2022 ARI 6th

 

[JBS]

Done and done!

10. Patrick Surtain II CB Alabama

74. Jabril Cox LB LSU

100. Andre Cisco S Syracuse

111. Tutu Atwell WR Louisville

115. Bobby Brown DT Texas A&M

126. Jaylen Twyman DT Pittsburgh

133. Monty Rice LB Georgia

138. Daelin Hayes EDGE Notre Dame

149. Divine Deablo S Virginia Tech

160. Shaka Toney EDGE Penn State

164. Marvin Wilson DT Florida State

166. David Moore OG Grambling State

179. Derrick Barnes LB Purdue

189. Nick Eubanks TE Michigan

190. Thomas Graham CB Oregon

192. Khyiris Tonga DT BYU

198. Alaric Jackson OT Iowa

2022 ARI 4th

2022 ARI 6th

That isn't good enough to be honest.

Not a fan of cox - he isn't what we need..neither is Cisco..but this is just my opinion of course

 

[JBS]

10 picks, in which we have 4 inside the top 100:

-I want 2 at minimum day 1, plug and play impact starters, where a third is apart of our DL rotation as a rookie. This isn't too difficult when we are picking in the top 10 every rd.

-Early focus on the secondary, then load up on the front 7. I would like to see the first 2 or 3 picks spent on corner and safety, then load up on front 7 players. NT, an inside/outside player better then Crawford or an Edge rusher. I see 3 elite Free Safeties, might have to overdraft to get Holland.

-Add numbers to the linebacker positional group. We are well aware of the uncertainty after this season. Lve's option might not be picked up, it is easier to release Jaylon after this season cap wise and Neal is just playing on a 1 yr contract. Add 1 top 100 pick, 2 on day 3 with one being a hybrid.

-Find a developmental tackle

Not trying to pigeon hole any position for a particular slot and fully aware a) not all needs will be address and b) they aren't going to take a full defensive class, less 1 offensive lineman.

-CB/S day 1 starters
-Future starter at NT, part of the rotation yr 1
-Depth at both linebacker/defensive line
-Developmental future starting Tackle

100% agree. I need 2 new dbs in the first 3 picks. I need 3 plug and play starters - its asking a lot. But we are in need of a lot

 

[Stash]

That isn't good enough to be honest.

Not a fan of cox - he isn't what we need..neither is Cisco..but this is just my opinion of course

Which you’re welcomed to share.

 

[JBS]

Which you’re welcomed to share.

Cox is a big upgrade in pass coverage - so I see how people are attracted to him. But Imo, our defense is just way too damn soft. Teflon soft. We need some beef, some toughness, somebody that can actually tackle the opposing ball carriers.

How bad is our team at tackling? At every single level of the defense...it's atrocious...cox makes that problem worse..he's a bad tackler..but yes, big upgrade in pass defense..I just think people are losing focus w this new wave of nfl on the importance of toughness, tackling, and bringing a bruising mentality on defense..we have none of that

 

[Stash]

Cox is a big upgrade in pass coverage - so I see how people are attracted to him. But Imo, our defense is just way too damn soft. Teflon soft. We need some beef, some toughness, somebody that can actually tackle the opposing ball carriers.

How bad is our team at tackling? At every single level of the defense...it's atrocious...cox makes that problem worse..he's a bad tackler..but yes, big upgrade in pass defense..I just think people are losing focus w this new wave of nfl on the importance of toughness, tackling, and bringing a bruising mentality on defense..we have none of that

I honestly took him based on Quinn’s established tendencies and the type of linebackers he looks for.

 

[JBS]

I honestly took him based on Quinn’s established tendencies and the type of linebackers he looks for.

Cant argue with that. You'd be correct

 

[waving monkey]

That isn't good enough to be honest.

Not a fan of cox - he isn't what we need..neither is Cisco..but this is just my opinion of course

reality is no teams all the gems in the treasure chest

 

[visionary]

Agree with your outline

Problem is that to get plug and play starters you need to make the first 3 rounds count.
Also that our major issues are DT and FS before CB.

my fear is that we will take Horn at 10 who will be an above average starter at best and not worth a top 10 pick

then they will take Williams at 44 who is a developmental prospect

then take someone at FS in rd 3 who will be below average or more “developmental “ because I think all 3 top safeties will be gone by 75

now suddenly you have nothing at defense except Horn

The FO and homers will say “they tried, what did you want them to do” but that’s not true

we have to have to trade down in rd 1 and get an extra rd 2 pick and take Moehrig who starts day 1

then you have 2 rd 2 picks and you take Barmore/Nixon/Levi with one and Campbell/Stokes/Melifonwu with the other

then in rd 3 you take McNeill and Adebo

now you have a much much better defense than if you take the over rated Horn at 10

 

[Shake_Tiller]

I'm fascinated to see what if anything this draft tells us about Quinn's vision and his influence. Based on FA, he seems to have the latter.

The game has evolved and continues to evolve. I'm not sure we can just scan Quinn's history and make assumptions. Both he and McCarthy seem to value length and speed, which doesn't make them unique. I keep thinking about two guys -- Bruce Irvin and Clay Matthews. I could see Quinn and McCarthy being on the same page in wanting that kind of disruptive player. Maybe it would explain the Cowboys' interest in Zevin Collins, if that is real and not a media creation.

I wonder if some of us are focusing too much on the fact SAM isn't a 3-down position. It is if a hybrid athlete can cover a bit and rush the passer a lot. He wouldn't play SAM as much as play a variety of roles.

There isn't much to suggest Quinn is interested in a one-trick pony NT type. For one thing, those guys are losing their value as teams run all these RPOs and stretch plays, and as QBs run more. A speed bump just can't offer anything in pursuit. I think he wants guys who play the run well, but I don't think he wants the tree stumps.

He dropped a hint that he wanted at least one corner who can really run -- a faster version of Diggs. And I'm not sure we should sleep on all the CBs who don't have great length. Have to have someone who can play the hyper quick slot receivers.

I do think Quinn will pound the table for a rangy FS, though he might look for a corner to convert. I think he knows he can get more done to pressure the QB if he can trust someone to protect the back end. And he likes to have one very physical safety.

I still find it difficult to envision Quinn liking either LVE or Jaylon on the weak side. I have to think he would prefer a JOK or even a Tony Fields. But we shall see, I guess. Maybe they defer a decision for a year and hope Keanu Neal can be a patch.

But all this is surmise. Maybe Quinn will modify his scheme to accommodate some different body types. I did find it interesting that McCarthy talked about a defense not ever having enough of the explosive 260-pound type player. If that isn't taken too literally, it describes the Gregorys, the LVEs, the Jaylons, and yeah, the guys like Collins, Olijari, etc.

It will be interesting to see who they draft.

 

[JBS]

Agree with your outline

Problem is that to get plug and play starters you need to make the first 3 rounds count.
Also that our major issues are DT and FS before CB.

my fear is that we will take Horn at 10 who will be an above average starter at best and not worth a top 10 pick

then they will take Williams at 44 who is a developmental prospect

then take someone at FS in rd 3 who will be below average or more “developmental “ because I think all 3 top safeties will be gone by 75

now suddenly you have nothing at defense except Horn

The FO and homers will say “they tried, what did you want them to do” but that’s not true

we have to have to trade down in rd 1 and get an extra rd 2 pick and take Moehrig who starts day 1

then you have 2 rd 2 picks and you take Barmore/Nixon/Levi with one and Campbell/Stokes/Melifonwu with the other

then in rd 3 you take McNeill and Adebo

now you have a much much better defense than if you take the over rated Horn at 10

Your idea of moving down and acquiring picks isn't a bad idea at all. I'm fine w that especially over taking Horn at 10. But what do you think those dts are going to bring to the table that the dts we have on the roster now don't do? They're similar in traits- we need different traits at that position.

Specifically the guys you are targeting in round 2. McNeil is a great pick in round 3 and I think that pick is what this team needs. What about linebacker? I'd be more inclined to take a lb than those dts you have in round 2. Not necessarily at 44, but I'd do it anyway

 

[Cowboyny]

100% agree. I need 2 new dbs in the first 3 picks. I need 3 plug and play starters - its asking a lot. But we are in need of a lot

Surtain/Horn and 1 of Moehrig/Grant/Holland and our secondary is pretty much built. DT or Linebacker if the other two picks in the top 100.

 

[JBS]

Surtain/Horn and 1 of Moehrig/Grant/Holland and our secondary is pretty much built. DT or Linebacker if the other two picks in the top 100.

All for it..but you can't do all of that (w Moehrig) and keep all of those picks..not likely at least

 

[Cowboyny]

Done and done!

10. Patrick Surtain II CB Alabama

74. Jabril Cox LB LSU

100. Andre Cisco S Syracuse

111. Tutu Atwell WR Louisville

115. Bobby Brown DT Texas A&M

126. Jaylen Twyman DT Pittsburgh

133. Monty Rice LB Georgia

138. Daelin Hayes EDGE Notre Dame

149. Divine Deablo S Virginia Tech

160. Shaka Toney EDGE Penn State

164. Marvin Wilson DT Florida State

166. David Moore OG Grambling State

179. Derrick Barnes LB Purdue

189. Nick Eubanks TE Michigan

190. Thomas Graham CB Oregon

192. Khyiris Tonga DT BYU

198. Alaric Jackson OT Iowa

2022 ARI 4th

2022 ARI 6th

This is pretty good!

 

[Cowboyny]

All for it..but you can't do all of that (w Moehrig) and keep all of those picks..not likely at least

1 of the 3 should be there, don't care if we have to reach a little for Holland. Fills a huge need and the drop-off at the position is significant. Unless a blinking light player falls, that's the direction I would like them to take.

 

[visionary]

Your idea of moving down and acquiring picks isn't a bad idea at all. I'm fine w that especially over taking Horn at 10. But what do you think those dts are going to bring to the table that the dts we have on the roster now don't do? They're similar in traits- we need different traits at that position.

Specifically the guys you are targeting in round 2. McNeil is a great pick in round 3 and I think that pick is what this team needs. What about linebacker? I'd be more inclined to take a lb than those dts you have in round 2. Not necessarily at 44, but I'd do it anyway

Regarding DT 3T: Hill is garbage and wasting another year and roster spot on him is a waste. 3T is a key position on the defense so if you have 2 starters like Gallimore and Levi or Nixon you are much better able to pressure the QB.

Regarding LB: totally agree with you that it is a need and I absolutely want to move on from both Jaylon and LVE next year. LBs can be had in rds 4–5 like Browning or Werner or Rice who can rotate this year and start next year. If we are not able to land any of them (or even if we do) KJ Wright is out there who could be a huge asset to the team

my point is that we always fall in love with one player and dont remember that defense is about talent but also about scheme, gap discipline and effort. Defense requires a team and this is a much better option than getting one above average starter in Horn and try to reach for lollipops and rainbows after that

 

[phildadon86]

Done and done!

10. Patrick Surtain II CB Alabama

74. Jabril Cox LB LSU

100. Andre Cisco S Syracuse

111. Tutu Atwell WR Louisville

115. Bobby Brown DT Texas A&M

126. Jaylen Twyman DT Pittsburgh

133. Monty Rice LB Georgia

138. Daelin Hayes EDGE Notre Dame

149. Divine Deablo S Virginia Tech

160. Shaka Toney EDGE Penn State

164. Marvin Wilson DT Florida State

166. David Moore OG Grambling State

179. Derrick Barnes LB Purdue

189. Nick Eubanks TE Michigan

190. Thomas Graham CB Oregon

192. Khyiris Tonga DT BYU

198. Alaric Jackson OT Iowa

2022 ARI 4th

2022 ARI 6th

Where is 44?

 

[visionary]

1 of the 3 should be there, don't care if we have to reach a little for Holland. Fills a huge need and the drop-off at the position is significant. Unless a blinking light player falls, that's the direction I would like them to take.

the problem with this philosophy that “we might have to reach a little” is that you don’t know that you should have reached until the player gets taken and then it’s too late. Holland might get taken in rd 2 then what? If Holland is falling falling and we think ok he will fall to us and he gets taken at 68 or 70 or even 74 how can you predict that? You can’t . You have to take your FS in rd 1 or 2, can’t wait on a prayer until rd 3 which is exactly what we will do