What's wrong with Mark Cuban?

[Doc50]

A recent ESPN poll says he's the most popular owner in the NBA, if not all of sports. So why have all potential free agents this off-season chosen to go elsewhere? Is he the only one planning to operate under the new CBA system, and everyone else is just overspending? That appears to be the case (as always) in the NBA, but I would think there would be some intangibles to playing in Big D, where Cuban's locker room and team jet are an indication of his absolute commitment to his players, and Carlisle is a proven teacher and winner. Word was that anyone would want to play for Mark; now it seems nobody does. Looks like he got caught in the slow lane at TMS while everyone else just blows right by.
He may be the only owner who fully understands the consequences of overspending this year. Let's hope salary cap hell strikes several bloated rosters, and the Mavs will be there with room to sign a few key stars that have to be let go.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

There's already a thread on this subject.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238491

 

[DFWJC]

Cuban and Donnie Nelson are committed to not handcuffing the franchise for the long-term with dumb contracts. They feel under the new labor agreement many teams are going to get burned badly by paying A-list money for B and C list players....then having to live with it.

That in no way reduces the frustration in Mavs land right now.

The fact that the top FA (DWill) narrowed his list down to two teams and Dallas was one of them says that as much as for Dallas--even though they were runner-up.
They haven't offered big money to anyone else so far.

2012-13 could be a long season for many of us....including Dirk.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree. There will be several teams that get hit hard once this thing comes into full play. I think Cuban is doing a smart thing but he will pay for it this season, more then likely.

I'm certain that this is why the Lakers are trying to sign older players with maybe a few seasons left to short term contracts etc. In 2014, Kobe's contract comes off the books and then we are probably left with a few younger players who can play and a ton of cap to go out and sign FAs with. Kup is pretty smart in that way IMO. Cuban is also playing it smart IMO.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The truth is the next couple of seasons for the Mavs are not going to be memorable, but it's much like what the Cowboys had to go through last offseason purging their roster of "dead wood" and the resulting cap hit it caused this year.

It's just something that had to be done.

 

[baj1dallas]

The truth is the next couple of seasons for the Mavs are not going to be memorable, but it's much like what the Cowboys had to go through last offseason purging their roster of "dead wood" and the resulting cap hit it caused this year.

It's just something that had to be done.

But that's not true. It didn't "have to be done" at all. The Mavs could have signed Chandler. They could have let JJ walk for the big money offer and made whatever ancillary moves they needed to. They could have give Roddy B every shot to fill in Berrea's role. They could have kept Jeremy Lin to backup Kidd and amnestied Brendan Haywood. The fact is there were a ton of things they could have done, but didn't.

For whatever reason they decided that Kidd, Jet, Dirk, Chandler, and the gang didn't have any chance of winning back to back titles, even though they'd just proven that they could beat Miami and OKC. They decided that they needed a glamour name with more cache than Dirk so that they could have their cake and eat it too - they wanted to win with Dirk and then not have to rebuild whatsoever.

But they totally overestimated the draw of playing with Dirk and now they're left in the worse possible situation. Unless they shut Dirk down for the season they won't be bad enough to get the high lottery pick that you need to build a successful team around. They have NO trade assets whatsoever. They don't have the sort of team that attracts free agents. They basically have no shot at successfully rebuilding unless they can trade Dirk which is almost impossible to see happening.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Meh I know Dallas fans are pissed Cuban decided to blow up a championship team, but let's be realistic that team had a slim chance at best to repeat. Giving long term deals to Chandler, Barea, Stevenson etc. would've severly hindered their future. Cuban realized that team had already run it's course, blew it up and took a gamble obviously. It didn't pay off. Oh well. Mavs are in a better position now to rebuild than they would've if they had kept their core intact.

 

[DFWJC]

Meh I know Dallas fans are pissed Cuban decided to blow up a championship team, but let's be realistic that team had a slim chance at best to repeat. Giving long term deals to Chandler, Barea, Stevenson etc. would've severly hindered their future. Cuban realized that team had already run it's course, blew it up and took a gamble obviously. It didn't pay off. Oh well. Mavs are in a better position now to rebuild than they would've if they had kept their core intact.

Nice job CLF
That sums it up
It sucks for us Mavs fans short term, but I know Mark personally and it never been at all about the money for with the Mavs. It's a huge passion for a die hard hoops fan. Other than his young family, the Mavs are everything to him.
In hind site, I sure would have liked to have kept Chandler. But it's overkill now, he's turned I to Bill Russell in some fans eyes.:bang2:

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Nice job CLF
That sums it up
It sucks for us Mavs fans short term, but I know Mark personally and it never been at all about the money for with the Mavs. It's a huge passion for a die hard hoops fan. Other than his young family, the Mavs are everything to him.
In hind site, I sure would have liked to have kept Chandler. But it's overkill now, he's turned I to Bill Russell in some fans eyes.:bang2:

Yeah it'll be tough in the rebuilding process, but just hang in there. Cuban is as dedicated as any owner in sports imo. It may take 4-5 years, but he'll get Dallas back in contention. In the meantime I think they should consider trading Dirk. He's done so much for the organization that he deserves to play on a contender.

 

[juck]

Dirk isnt going anywhere. He and Donnie said that today. Dirk is the Grandfather of Dallas sports currently and is engrained in the city.

 

[MC KAos]

Cuban and Donnie Nelson are committed to not handcuffing the franchise for the long-term with dumb contracts. They feel under the new labor agreement many teams are going to get burned badly by paying A-list money for B and C list players....then having to live with it.

That in no way reduces the frustration in Mavs land right now.

The fact that the top FA (DWill) narrowed his list down to two teams and Dallas was one of them says that as much as for Dallas--even though they were runner-up.
They haven't offered big money to anyone else so far.

2012-13 could be a long season for many of us....including Dirk.

the only reason he was considering them was because it was his hometown team, unless there is an abundance of top free agents that grew up in DFW coming up in the next few years, its gonna be the same thing, top players dont want to sign with the mavs, or the spurs, or most other teams in the nba unless they are getting overpaid or they are old and just want a title

 

[MC KAos]

Dirk isnt going anywhere. He and Donnie said that today. Dirk is the Grandfather of Dallas sports currently and is engrained in the city.

thats good to hear, i think its special when a player can stay with one franchise his entire career, i think it makes his career that much better.

 

[jterrell]

Cuban is one of the most hard-headed guys alive.

That can be great or it can be bad.

Right now he is one of a couple of owners that believe they know the CBA's deadly traps starting in 2013. Many others are spitting on the CBA trying to build the best possible teams. Cuban is trying to build the cheapest possible team.

I am fine with Cuban generally but in this case you have ignored the draft for a decade. You can't all of a sudden go cheap. It just doesn't work. This re-build will be long and painful indeed. Even if you get a KD, Westbrook et al in the draft it takes years for those guys to mature into true winning stars.

IMHO Dirk now has zero chance of winning another title. The Mavs should trade him to someone with a legit title shot for a couple future 1sts and be done with it. That's the only class move left. I know everyone if officially saying he wont leave. We'll see how he feels at the trade deadline.

 

[DasTex]

Cuban is one of the most hard-headed guys alive.

That can be great or it can be bad.

Right now he is one of a couple of owners that believe they know the CBA's deadly traps starting in 2013. Many others are spitting on the CBA trying to build the best possible teams. Cuban is trying to build the cheapest possible team.

I am fine with Cuban generally but in this case you have ignored the draft for a decade. You can't all of a sudden go cheap. It just doesn't work. This re-build will be long and painful indeed. Even if you get a KD, Westbrook et al in the draft it takes years for those guys to mature into true winning stars.

IMHO Dirk now has zero chance of winning another title. The Mavs should trade him to someone with a legit title shot for a couple future 1sts and be done with it. That's the only class move left. I know everyone if officially saying he wont leave. We'll see how he feels at the trade deadline.

My gut is telling me they have told him be patient this year. They will keep flexibility for next year and go after potential FA like CP3, Howard, Bynum, Harden, Ellis and Curry. If they can't land one next year, then he will likely be traded if he wants.

Looks like this year could be best case

Sessions
Mayo
Marion
Dirk
Brand/Kaman

Worst case

West/roddy
CJ Miles
Marion
Dirk
Haywood

 

[baj1dallas]

Meh I know Dallas fans are pissed Cuban decided to blow up a championship team, but let's be realistic that team had a slim chance at best to repeat. Giving long term deals to Chandler, Barea, Stevenson etc. would've severly hindered their future. Cuban realized that team had already run it's course, blew it up and took a gamble obviously. It didn't pay off. Oh well. Mavs are in a better position now to rebuild than they would've if they had kept their core intact.

I'm sorry but nobody wants to hear knuckleheaded gloating from frontrunning espn zombies.

Where was it ever written that keeping Chandler meant that the Mavs also had to keep Barea and Stevenson? The only core the Mavs needed was Dirk + Chandler. They could have let Barea and Stevenson walked, signed Delonte West to replace Stevenson, and given Roddy a shot to fill JJ's shoes. They still would have had the option of amnesty-ing Haywood if D-Will was willing to come here and had 3 years left on Dirks contract. After that maybe they have to rebuild for a year on the back end of D-Will's contract, but who cares at that point?

 

[DFWJC]

the only reason he was considering them was because it was his hometown team, unless there is an abundance of top free agents that grew up in DFW coming up in the next few years, its gonna be the same thing, top players dont want to sign with the mavs, or the spurs, or most other teams in the nba unless they are getting overpaid or they are old and just want a title

Then why was Dallas on Howard's short list too?

 

[juck]

Rangers are the only team in the metroplex that gets good FAs these days.

 

[juck]

thats good to hear, i think its special when a player can stay with one franchise his entire career, i think it makes his career that much better.

Yea and think about the last championshup the DFW had before Dirk did it. Stars in 99 or something? lol Its time for Cowboys to step up.

 

[Robbieac]

Rangers are the only team in the metroplex that gets good FAs these days.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Rangers are the only team in the metroplex that gets good FAs these days.