CFZ When "Best Player Available" is convenient

[CouchCoach]

Lamb drops to 17 and they do not have a need to spend a 1st on a WR but he does for some bragging rights about getting a steal. That positional pick was at the bottom of needs.

In rankings, the 3rd best edge rusher, 3rd best DT and the best LB all fall to 24 and the fact that Jermaine Johnson is there is the shocker of the 1st round and the Jets are beyond giddy to cap off one of the best 1st rounds in recent history.

They went for need on all 3 picks and that's not necessarily a bad thing but it proves they really do not have a draft strategy.

We won't know the truth about where they had Smith ranked or if they would have taken him if Green, Johnson, Burks or Penning would have been there.

The guy saying he was their 16th and ahead of the other higher ranked OL by every service in the game lied about the last 1st round pick and was countered by his son telling the truth that it was always the 2 CB's.

These 3 players are not bad players and they may work out but they have "need" all over them and the first pick has "reach" and it seems the owner did a number on us by switching his risk pick from the 2nd round to the 1st round.

I really do not have a problem with the pick, he's rough and I don't know how ready he is but he's got attitude and size and I like him already better than I ever did the pick for the Willams "project".

However, do we really have to deal with this clown insulting us with his ego based lies all of the time? "The other guys were gone and we took the highest rated OL on our board" or "Once Horn and Surtain were gone, the choice was easy for Parsons and we were lucky he was there".

Does this man think he is going to fool us into thinking this is all by design, part of the master plan? It's one thing to ignore the fans; it's something else to insult them.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Best player available (BPA) and need are synergistic and compensatory. If you already have your franchise QB, do you pick the best QB who also may be one of the BPAs in the draft if he falls in your lap? No. You trade the pick for something or you pick the player you need who is also the BPA. You always have to look for what you’re compensating for. The point has always been to not REACH for need over BPA, and everything within that is a gray area.

 

[Batman1980]

Lamb drops to 17 and they do not have a need to spend a 1st on a WR but he does for some bragging rights about getting a steal. That positional pick was at the bottom of needs.

In rankings, the 3rd best edge rusher, 3rd best DT and the best LB all fall to 24 and the fact that Jermaine Johnson is there is the shocker of the 1st round and the Jets are beyond giddy to cap off one of the best 1st rounds in recent history.

They went for need on all 3 picks and that's not necessarily a bad thing but it proves they really do not have a draft strategy.

We won't know the truth about where they had Smith ranked or if they would have taken him if Green, Johnson, Burks or Penning would have been there.

The guy saying he was their 16th and ahead of the other higher ranked OL by every service in the game lied about the last 1st round pick and was countered by his son telling the truth that it was always the 2 CB's.

These 3 players are not bad players and they may work out but they have "need" all over them and the first pick has "reach" and it seems the owner did a number on us by switching his risk pick from the 2nd round to the 1st round.

I really do not have a problem with the pick, he's rough and I don't know how ready he is but he's got attitude and size and I like him already better than I ever did the pick for the Willams "project".

However, do we really have to deal with this clown insulting us with his ego based lies all of the time? "The other guys were gone and we took the highest rated OL on our board" or "Once Horn and Surtain were gone, the choice was easy for Parsons and we were lucky he was there".

Does this man think he is going to fool us into thinking this is all by design, part of the master plan? It's one thing to ignore the fans; it's something else to insult them.

I don't believe him most of the time when he talks. He's a master snake oil salesman and he's just trying to get fans excited for another inevitably disappointing season.

 

[817Gill]

Best player available (BPA) and need are synergistic and compensatory. If you already have your franchise QB, do you pick the best QB who also may be one of the BPAs in the draft if he falls in your lap? No. You trade the pick for something or you pick the player you need who is also the BPA. You always have to look for what you’re compensating for. The point has always been to not REACH for need over BPA, and everything within that is a gray area.

Great post

 

[charron]

Smith was taken a round too early for my taste. What matters is that he hits and we won't know till the pads come on. The other 2 seem like the normal ok b grade picks which is to be expected when picking late.

 

[LittleD]

When you draft at the back end of every round their strategy is to draft their targets one round early. Can't you guys see that. If a guy they covet falls they snatch him up. This is their strategy.

Now if you want to view a helter skelter draft policy, just review the Patriots picks.

 

[Jipper]

Smith was taken a round too early for my taste. What matters is that he hits and we won't know till the pads come on. The other 2 seem like the normal ok b grade picks which is to be expected when picking late.

I don't think there's a prayer he's around after the 1st though, so it probably doesn't matter

 

[sdfidaho]

Smith was taken a round too early for my taste. What matters is that he hits and we won't know till the pads come on. The other 2 seem like the normal ok b grade picks which is to be expected when picking late.

A lot of teams will take a guy that they really want a round early because they know that player will not be there when their turn comes back around. Happens quite frequently.
Smith wasn't making it out of the first round even if the Cowboys didn't take him. He wasn't going to be there in the 2nd for the Cowboys or anyone else to take.

 

[Jipper]

A lot of teams will take a guy that they really want a round early because they know that player will not be there when their turn comes back around. Happens quite frequently.
Smith wasn't making it out of the first round even if the Cowboys didn't take him. He wasn't going to be there in the 2nd for the Cowboys or anyone else to take.

I think his nasty nature was what they coveted and the fact he might be able to swing to tackle in a pinch or if he really develops.

That left side of the line is gonna be nasty

 

[Primetime42]

I feel like it's constantly being missed that there was only a handful of talent in this draft truly considered of being "first round" quality with minimal flaws.

Once you got to 15ish, and maybe until you get to the ballpark of 70, a lot of the talent is going to be similar in that 2nd/3rd round range. Look at some of the names that were taken late Friday and yesterday. Yes, it may shock you that teams will have players listed all over the place in that range.

You can't always go BPA. Sometimes it has to meet with need. It's hard to be mad at the draft choices themselves when you consider all the factors.

Well, except for Williams. I'm tired of 2nd round red flags, but if he works out, no one will care.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

With way OL we’re flying off the board, like hot cakes to a group of hungry men that had not eaten in a week, no way you are getting Smith the mauler in the 2nd.

 

[CouchCoach]

A lot of teams will take a guy that they really want a round early because they know that player will not be there when their turn comes back around. Happens quite frequently.
Smith wasn't making it out of the first round even if the Cowboys didn't take him. He wasn't going to be there in the 2nd for the Cowboys or anyone else to take.

Agree but these people have to spin it that he was the best option overall. For this team and what happened over the off season, he was the best option to address a gaping hole in that OL when their turn came.

I think the Cowboys pick affected Belichick and he was concerned he would not get Strange with his next pick. He doesn't care where he picked him, only that he got him.

 

[Bobhaze]

Like any draft, none of us know whether or not any of these players will be as good as advertised. I think Tyler Smith CAN be an excellent player. But he is raw and unpolished and will not likely be an instant plug and play star like Tyron Smith, Zack Martin or Travis Frederick.

Young Smith will play immediately of course. And he does have a lot of potential upside. Like Coach said earlier, it is just plain amazing that this nearly 80 yr old billionaire playing fantasy football GM has to insult our fans with his schtick every year. He craves making everyone think he’s outsmarting everyone.

 

[Flamma]

Lamb drops to 17 and they do not have a need to spend a 1st on a WR but he does for some bragging rights about getting a steal. That positional pick was at the bottom of needs.

In rankings, the 3rd best edge rusher, 3rd best DT and the best LB all fall to 24 and the fact that Jermaine Johnson is there is the shocker of the 1st round and the Jets are beyond giddy to cap off one of the best 1st rounds in recent history.

They went for need on all 3 picks and that's not necessarily a bad thing but it proves they really do not have a draft strategy.

We won't know the truth about where they had Smith ranked or if they would have taken him if Green, Johnson, Burks or Penning would have been there.

The guy saying he was their 16th and ahead of the other higher ranked OL by every service in the game lied about the last 1st round pick and was countered by his son telling the truth that it was always the 2 CB's.

These 3 players are not bad players and they may work out but they have "need" all over them and the first pick has "reach" and it seems the owner did a number on us by switching his risk pick from the 2nd round to the 1st round.

I really do not have a problem with the pick, he's rough and I don't know how ready he is but he's got attitude and size and I like him already better than I ever did the pick for the Willams "project".

However, do we really have to deal with this clown insulting us with his ego based lies all of the time? "The other guys were gone and we took the highest rated OL on our board" or "Once Horn and Surtain were gone, the choice was easy for Parsons and we were lucky he was there".

Does this man think he is going to fool us into thinking this is all by design, part of the master plan? It's one thing to ignore the fans; it's something else to insult them.

I mentioned this in a different post. I think they had their minds set on Sam Williams in the 2nd, and that's why they didn't pick Jermaine Johnson.

 

[CouchCoach]

With way OL we’re flying off the board, like hot cakes to a group of hungry men that had not eaten in a week, no way you are getting Smith the mauler in the 2nd.

No and what is funny about Mcvay laughing about NE's pick of Strange, no way he was going to be there with their first pick. They wasted any time evaluating him unless they were trading up.

This seems to happen every draft, there is an OL alarm that goes off in these war rooms. I remember one draft where they didn't have an OL coming off until the 10th pick. One gets picked at 5 and then the next 4 were all OL.

Green and Johnson came off earlier than anyone anticipated and that sent the ripples to DAL and NE, get your guy.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

No and what is funny about Mcvay laughing about NE's pick of Strange, no way he was going to be there with their first pick. They wasted any time evaluating hi m unless they were trading up.

This seems to happen every draft, there is an OL alarm that goes off in these war rooms. I remember one draft where they didn't have an OL coming off until the 10th pick. One gets picked at 5 and then the next 4 were all OL.

Green and Johnson came off earlier than anyone anticipated and that sent the ripples to DAL and NE, get your guy.

Bingo, I didn’t watch the draft but watching Peppa Pig with my youngest daughter but when she left the room to go downstairs, I flipped to ESPN to watch the ticker at the bottom and saw the OL that was supposed to be around for our pick going like 17th and before and I was like no one saw that coming.

 

[charron]

I don't think there's a prayer he's around after the 1st though, so it probably doesn't matter

Maybe not but it still means they bypassed higher players to get him.

 

[CouchCoach]

I mentioned this in a different post. I think they had their minds set on Sam Williams in the 2nd, and that's why they didn't pick Jermaine Johnson.

That is probable but do you think they thought Johnson would be there at 24? No one else did.

OL was a more urgent need that they helped create so they had to act. The odds of Smith making it to the 2nd were not nearly as good as Williams being there in the 2nd.

Had they taken Johnson, what OL would they have taken next?

I might have checked out trading back into the 1st with BAL at 25, taken Johnson and then Smith.

 

[blueblood70]

Lamb drops to 17 and they do not have a need to spend a 1st on a WR but he does for some bragging rights about getting a steal. That positional pick was at the bottom of needs.

In rankings, the 3rd best edge rusher, 3rd best DT and the best LB all fall to 24 and the fact that Jermaine Johnson is there is the shocker of the 1st round and the Jets are beyond giddy to cap off one of the best 1st rounds in recent history.

They went for need on all 3 picks and that's not necessarily a bad thing but it proves they really do not have a draft strategy.

We won't know the truth about where they had Smith ranked or if they would have taken him if Green, Johnson, Burks or Penning would have been there.

The guy saying he was their 16th and ahead of the other higher ranked OL by every service in the game lied about the last 1st round pick and was countered by his son telling the truth that it was always the 2 CB's.

These 3 players are not bad players and they may work out but they have "need" all over them and the first pick has "reach" and it seems the owner did a number on us by switching his risk pick from the 2nd round to the 1st round.

I really do not have a problem with the pick, he's rough and I don't know how ready he is but he's got attitude and size and I like him already better than I ever did the pick for the Willams "project".

However, do we really have to deal with this clown insulting us with his ego based lies all of the time? "The other guys were gone and we took the highest rated OL on our board" or "Once Horn and Surtain were gone, the choice was easy for Parsons and we were lucky he was there".

Does this man think he is going to fool us into thinking this is all by design, part of the master plan? It's one thing to ignore the fans; it's something else to insult them.

Lucky we moved down two spots and got 3rd rounder to add with parsons'..i say they had them, 1a 1b and 1c, not luck he was in their plans the rnore time. Much diffident at 24 in every round where most of your board is all gone by the time you pick and you have to make choice..

to question what you truly do not know ie how they had these guys ranked is whats wrong with fans you are NOT A Coach, you are NOT a gm so don't change your name to GMGM so give it a break, I realize on some boards JJ was better choice but BPA takes into account need over a slightly better talent if they had an 88 on JJ and a 89 on Smith they decided the OL was larger need and the fact they got Sam in the 2nd i say it was a solid choice and cant truly be judged until they all play. so unless you have definitive proof like real insider who stole the laptop, ipad, phone and all whiteboards from the star , just give this conspiracy they dont have a plan or strategy draft day a rest,. You do NOT KNOW!!

you are making opinionated based judgements on whom they passed on, that not proof.

 

[Jipper]

Maybe not but it still means they bypassed higher players to get him.

Yeah, can't argue that, but at the end of the day it's higher rated players on other people's systems so it's all chance with probabilities factored in.

If he ends up shoreing up the line and gives us a nasty factor then I think a year from now we will look back and be very happy....obviously only time will tell