WR Coach Background: West Coast or Air Coryell?

[xwalker]

The Cowboys hired a new WR coach in 2022 (Robert Prince).

They had a significant issue in 2022 with route running mistakes.

Just curious if McCarty hired a WR coach with background in West Coast while they were still running Kellen Moore's Air Coryell type offense.

They also hired a new WR coach when McCarthy was hired (Adam Henry).

 

[Bullflop]

The Cowboys hired a new WR coach in 2022 (Robert Prince).

They had a significant issue in 2022 with route running mistakes.

Just curious if McCarty hired a WR coach with background in West Coast while they were still running Kellen Moore's Air Coryell type offense.

They also hired a new WR coach when McCarthy was hired (Adam Henry).

I'll admit to having questions if our new hirings as WR coaches may have had difficulties with our receivers having problems in running routes and generally not being more effective than they were. The upcoming season will be their 2nd year of service in that capacity. Perhaps they'll be more familiar with their WR talents and better prepared to coach them up to higher potentials? Just offering food for thought.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I'm still befuddled at how this WR coach was not replaced, especially when our WRs led the league in least amount of separation, plus poor route running, etc.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Cowboys hired a new WR coach in 2022 (Robert Prince).

They had a significant issue in 2022 with route running mistakes.

Just curious if McCarty hired a WR coach with background in West Coast while they were still running Kellen Moore's Air Coryell type offense.

They also hired a new WR coach when McCarthy was hired (Adam Henry).

Prince came up through BSU so that is Coryell.

Between Moore, Nussmeyer, and this guy there was definitely a disconnect.

 

[exciter]

The Cowboys hired a new WR coach in 2022 (Robert Prince).

They had a significant issue in 2022 with route running mistakes.

Just curious if McCarty hired a WR coach with background in West Coast while they were still running Kellen Moore's Air Coryell type offense.

They also hired a new WR coach when McCarthy was hired (Adam Henry).

He’s coached in both Seattle and Detroit amongst other places and other positions. He coached Kenny Holiday into consecutive 1000 yard seasons and Lamb, despite a couple brain farts, had a career year.

 

[jazzcat22]

I'm still befuddled at how this WR coach was not replaced, especially when our WRs led the league in least amount of separation, plus poor route running, etc.

I don't think it was all just poor route running all the time. I think some of the was poor play design, mixed with miscommunication at times.

Some want to look at CeeDee, did he run the wrong route behind the defender, or did Dak not read it right, or thought he was going to run in front of him, when he should have thrown it over the defender.
Now fans will look at that in their own way, depending their narrative. Though many analyst claimed it was CeeDee, and were probably right. But could Dak have adjusted and seen that?
Was it a timing route, then yes, CeeDee screwed up.

Just using that as an example. What really happened, we don't really know, only think we know.

Maybe MM and the WR coach feel this was part of the "philosophical differences" in the system.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm still befuddled at how this WR coach was not replaced, especially when our WRs led the league in least amount of separation, plus poor route running, etc.

They’ve replaced our receivers coach in years where I thought our receivers were good. Shocked that didn’t happen this year.

 

[nyc-cowboy]

I don't think it was all just poor route running all the time. I think some of the was poor play design, mixed with miscommunication at times.

Some want to look at CeeDee, did he run the wrong route behind the defender, or did Dak not read it right, or thought he was going to run in front of him, when he should have thrown it over the defender.
Now fans will look at that in their own way, depending their narrative. Though many analyst claimed it was CeeDee, and were probably right. But could Dak have adjusted and seen that?
Was it a timing route, then yes, CeeDee screwed up.

Just using that as an example. What really happened, we don't really know, only think we know.

Maybe MM and the WR coach feel this was part of the "philosophical differences" in the system.

Agree - to take it a step further, QBs and WRs watch tape with their respective coaches, why not have them watch tape together, I'm sure they do at times but I would make it a regular part of game prep so they know how each one thinks and what they are seeing out there.

Film study is just as important and practicing on the field imo... just ask Sean Lee.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think it was all just poor route running all the time. I think some of the was poor play design, mixed with miscommunication at times.

Some want to look at CeeDee, did he run the wrong route behind the defender, or did Dak not read it right, or thought he was going to run in front of him, when he should have thrown it over the defender.
Now fans will look at that in their own way, depending their narrative. Though many analyst claimed it was CeeDee, and were probably right. But could Dak have adjusted and seen that?
Was it a timing route, then yes, CeeDee screwed up.

Just using that as an example. What really happened, we don't really know, only think we know.

Maybe MM and the WR coach feel this was part of the "philosophical differences" in the system.

I think you can look to the evolution of Lamb as to why they kept the WR coach. Lamb has become a markedly better route runner and better able to line up across the formation.

Even with timing routes, you have to cross the face of the defender on your break. You can also put caveats like if he moves to cut off the in then should fly or fade upfield or the like.

I think that is what MM is getting at when he talks about simplifying the offense. Get rid of all the timing/option crap and get down to basic leverage and separation.

 

[CouchCoach]

I'll admit to having questions if our new hirings as WR coaches may have had difficulties with our receivers having problems in running routes and generally not being more effective than they were. The upcoming season will be their 2nd year of service in that capacity. Perhaps they'll be more familiar with their WR talents and better prepared to coach them up to higher potentials? Just offering food for thought.

Their assessment of the talent level may have lead to trading for Cooks and may lead to a WR pick in the 1st round.

After QB, WR seems to be the toughest position to get right in the draft. Hell, DET and Matt Millen got so frustrated they used three straight #1's on a WR until they got it right.

The jump from running routes in their respective college conferences to the NFL is a lot harder than we realize and some high picks never master that.

 

[Rayman70]

football is football. Execution is the key. Systems matter not. But being consistent with it matters. We haven't been.

 

[IceBowler]

Please God - let us see a regular use of some slants, drag and wheel routes. The curls 3 yards short of the sticks hasn't done it.

 

[conner01]

I don't think it was all just poor route running all the time. I think some of the was poor play design, mixed with miscommunication at times.

Some want to look at CeeDee, did he run the wrong route behind the defender, or did Dak not read it right, or thought he was going to run in front of him, when he should have thrown it over the defender.
Now fans will look at that in their own way, depending their narrative. Though many analyst claimed it was CeeDee, and were probably right. But could Dak have adjusted and seen that?
Was it a timing route, then yes, CeeDee screwed up.

Just using that as an example. What really happened, we don't really know, only think we know.

Maybe MM and the WR coach feel this was part of the "philosophical differences" in the system.

I just hope we have cook or lamb moving on most every obvious pass play. Let these guys use their speed in space. Lamb was very effective when moving around pre snap
Guys can’t be jammed and have a head of steam going

 

[Dre11]

Prince coached Calvin Johnson for 2 years, also coached Brandon Cooks, Marvin Jones, Danny Amendola, Kenny Golliday
Pretty good list

 

[quickccc]

The Cowboys hired a new WR coach in 2022 (Robert Prince).

They had a significant issue in 2022 with route running mistakes.

Just curious if McCarty hired a WR coach with background in West Coast while they were still running Kellen Moore's Air Coryell type offense.

They also hired a new WR coach when McCarthy was hired (Adam Henry).

McCarthy has the say in asst. coaches he wants to employ and have on his watch.
If he was dissatisfied or not confident with Prince, shouldn't/wouldn't MM have made moves to replace him already? .

Though Prince seems tied to just Kellen Moore, does Prince has both Rhythm-Time based and West Coast offensive background in his resume ?
He's worked with WRs such as Calvin Megatron Johnson and Golden Tate.

And wasn't incorrect WR route running pointed out as an issue before Prince even arrived here ?

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

regardless of the system, when you QB is consistently late throwing the ball, it isn’t going to matter much.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

One thing that doesn’t get talked about is how the qb play affects yac stats. The Cowboys I believe were near the bottom in that category

 

[Bullflop]

If the C'boys are intent on installing the West Coast Offense, Dak will be drilled on getting the ball out ASAP. I feel MM will insist on it.