Yahoo Sports: Illegitimate BCS process holds game hostage

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The BCS formula is an exercise in nonsense.

It always has been; it’s just more obvious this season, when there is a heated debate over the second-best team, the one that would meet LSU for the title.

Alabama, Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech and others are making their pitches, pointing out this strength and that argument to get a crack at the Tigers. The campaigns will only pick up this weekend.

Understand this, though: No matter what it says, the BCS is not a system designed to choose a championship matchup. It is merely a tool to stave off the inevitable playoff bowl directors fear will cut into their millions in tax-free profits, a casino-style distraction to placate the masses.

It is what it is, and until it collapses (even a four-teamer is a major, positive step), college football is stuck.

That said, if the BCS somehow survives in its current incarnation, the formula to determine 1-2 must be scrapped.


It currently consists of two-thirds human opinion polls that are ripe for political foolishness, full of oft-uneducated voters and subject to groupthink.

The other third features an average of six computer formulas, which quantitative analysts have declared mathematically unsound and their own proprietors admit are not as accurate as they could be. Five of the computer formulas are secret, even kept from the BCS, which means no one, absolutely no one, knows if they are accurate or honest.

It is a total disaster of a system. No one who cares about the game would ever invent such a thing. Just because ESPN does a fine job dressing it up each week like it’s a legitimate process doesn’t mean it is.

There are two obvious solutions to this problem.

1) A single public and reputable computer formula that would allow every team to know what it is dealing with from the first snap of the season. Whether such a formula could be created is the chief question. If it’s possible, you might not like it but you’d at least know the rules of the game.

Or:

2) A small selection committee of five or seven people. Much like the NCAA basketball tournament, that group could meet and knowledgably assess the contenders using pre-set criteria and common statistics in a calm, rational and unhurried process that doesn’t begin until the season is actually over.

The former is unlikely in a sport run by people with an obvious distaste for math. If they won’t allow the current formulas to operate honestly, it doesn’t seem likely they’d turn the entire process over to a computer.

The latter is potentially even more problematic. It would require actual individuals to stand up and defend the decision and, by proxy, the entire system. It’s much easier for the suits to shrug their shoulders at the matchup and blame faceless “computers” or a throng of “voters.”

For the rest ---> http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...tzel_football_hostage_illegitimate_bcs_112911
 

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03EBZ06;4278449 said:
It currently consists of two-thirds human opinion polls that are ripe for political foolishness, full of oft-uneducated voters and subject to groupthink.
The problem with the human polls is, IMHO twofold:

1) The voters really are quite uneduated. Many voters are media members covering a specfic game, so they're busy all day Saturday. Other than the game they are covering, they aren't seeing anything else that takes place beyond what they get on SportsCenter.

2) Human polls put WAY too much emphasis on the recent games. If you lose you go down and you pretty much have to wait for someone ahead of you to lose to go up. VA Tech lost on October 1st so they are much higher than they deserve to be. If Okie State's 1 loss was on October 1st and VA Tech's 1 loss was from last week, there's no way VA Tech would be higher than OSU.
 

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It is completely bogus that LSU could lose to UGA and still play in the National Championship. You then would have two teams (LSU/Bama) who didn't even win their own conference playing in the biggest game, and then UGA wouldn't be BCS eligible due to two SEC teams getting bids.

That is crazy to me.

Not that UGA would deserve to go to the National Championship, but more the fact that they aren't even BCS eligible assuming LSU and Alabama goto the National Championship game.
 
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The BCS is crap. Worst part about the BCS, IMO, is that it was created basically to end split national championships. Well, it failed to even do that! :bang2:
 

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In late October, Kenneth Massey’s rankings had Arizona Western, a community college, 30th overall.

Seriously.

That's fine computing.
 

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Muhast;4279344 said:
It is completely bogus that LSU could lose to UGA and still play in the National Championship. You then would have two teams (LSU/Bama) who didn't even win their own conference playing in the biggest game, and then UGA wouldn't be BCS eligible due to two SEC teams getting bids.

That is crazy to me.

Not that UGA would deserve to go to the National Championship, but more the fact that they aren't even BCS eligible assuming LSU and Alabama goto the National Championship game.

I thought the conference winner was automatic.
 

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Like most I want to see a playoff system put in place but I will say the BCS is better than what was in place before.
 

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The title is wrong. It was not illegitimate since everyone bought off on it.

Now true it stinks. But it was approved by everyone so to call it illegitimate is as usual sloppy reporting.
 

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Muhast;4279344 said:
It is completely bogus that LSU could lose to UGA and still play in the National Championship. You then would have two teams (LSU/Bama) who didn't even win their own conference playing in the biggest game, and then UGA wouldn't be BCS eligible due to two SEC teams getting bids.

That is crazy to me.

Not that UGA would deserve to go to the National Championship, but more the fact that they aren't even BCS eligible assuming LSU and Alabama goto the National Championship game.

That is actually the one scenario where all three would make BCS games. Georgia gets the AQ for conference champion and LSU and Bama get the AQ for being 1st and 2nd.

No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4819597
 

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They are crazy not to have some sort of bracket with 8 or 10 teams like NCAA basketball.

BCS is really BS.
 

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This is for real Georgia up 10 -0 wow. Could Bama -LSU? play for National game?
One reason they do it being amateur sport through college there are more winners @ the end of the day instead of 1. Yeah they have Champion but the Rose Bowl or any other bowl gm is almost as important to the university and fans so everyone gets some cake.
 

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Each and every year, people complain about the BCS. It seems to happen more often when LSU plays. I graduated from LSU and am a huge fan. You can't dispute 13-0 with a conference title. It isn't their fault that Alabama will likely end up #2.

I watch a ton of college football, and IMO, Ok St and any other team below #2 Alabama would be no match for LSU. There is no disputing that LSU and Alabama are the two best teams in the country.

If Ok St gets the bid, it will be a blood bath in the bayou.
 

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Don Corleone;4283424 said:

Each and every year, people complain about the BCS. It seems to happen more often when LSU plays.
I graduated from LSU and am a huge fan. You can't dispute 13-0 with a conference title. It isn't their fault that Alabama will likely end up #2.

I watch a ton of college football, and IMO, Ok St and any other team below #2 Alabama would be no match for LSU. There is no disputing that LSU and Alabama are the two best teams in the country.

If Ok St gets the bid, it will be a blood bath in the bayou.
I'll go with it seems that way because you're a LSU fan, Alex.
 

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I just don't understand why a playoff system isn't seriously being considered. Just turn the bowl games into playoff games. Everyone is still going to make a butt load of money.What is the big deal?
 

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peplaw06;4283540 said:
I'll go with it seems that way because you're a LSU fan, Alex.

Exactly.

I don't see why an LSU fan would take offense at anything said about the title game this year. LSU obviously deserves it... It's Bama that might not after already losing to LSU on their home field earlier in the year.

It has nothing to do with LSU. The BCS system sucks no matter who is playing in the title game in any given year.
 

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CATCH17;4279823 said:
I thought the conference winner was automatic.
That's correct - well for the 6 BCS conferences that is (Big East, Big XII, Big 10, SEC, Pac-12 and ACC). Going into Friday, sad sack 6-6 UCLA still could have gone to the Rose Bowl. And if WVA had lost, the Big East would likely have sent an unranked team.
 

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Don Corleone;4283424 said:
:laugh2:

Each and every year, people complain about the BCS. It seems to happen more often when LSU plays. I graduated from LSU and am a huge fan. You can't dispute 13-0 with a conference title. It isn't their fault that Alabama will likely end up #2.
People, especially myself, complain about the BCS every year but I see no spike in those complaints when LSU is in. Besides, nobody's talking about LSU because there's nothing to discuss. In other words, everyone unanimously agrees they deserve to go this year. That's why Alabama vs. OSU is dominating today's discussion.

The most BCS discussion/criticism came from 2004, and that was a year LSU wasn't involved in the picture. An undefeated Auburn was left out of the picture that year, which is a travesty. Let me say that again: an undefeated Auburn (not TCU, not Hawaii, not Boise State) was left out of the picture.
 
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