Plane collision crash near Reagan Airport

CyberB0b said:
Aside from thunderstorms over the field, ATC rarely shuts down a busy international airport for weather. Ultimately, the captain decides if it safe to attempt land and is the final authority as to the operation of the aircraft.
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Sounds to me like the people on the ground who know the conditions need to step up.
More and more we are hearing about how high the gusts were; ice the runway was; and the snow pilled next to the runways. One pilot theorizes that once the aircraft was going slow enough so that the rudder was no longer that effective and they were trying to keep it straight using the nose wheel, that they hit some ice and the plane swerved and hit the embankment, collapsed the gear and that caused it to flip.
IF that is the case, then that airport should have been closed.
 
gtb1943 said:
Sounds to me like the people on the ground who know the conditions need to step up.
More and more we are hearing about how high the gusts were; ice the runway was; and the snow pilled next to the runways. One pilot theorizes that once the aircraft was going slow enough so that the rudder was no longer that effective and they were trying to keep it straight using the nose wheel, that they hit some ice and the plane swerved and hit the embankment, collapsed the gear and that caused it to flip.
IF that is the case, then that airport should have been closed.
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They have braking action reports and they regularly check the braking action and give that to the pilots. Toronto is one of the best airports in the world at dealing with this type of weather. During bad weather, they’re constantly plowing and de icing the runway.
 
CyberB0b said:
They have braking action reports and they regularly check the braking action and give that to the pilots. Toronto is one of the best airports in the world at dealing with this type of weather. During bad weather, they’re constantly plowing and de icing the runway.
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So what? Looks like that all failed today. Could have killed everyone on board.
 
My best guess, and it's an ignorant one since I know little about this stuff. Right before landing a wind gust got under one of the wings and caused the plane to roll. As a result, a wing hits the ground and rips off, and that is how the plane goes belly up.
 
Flamma said:
My best guess, and it's an ignorant one since I know little about this stuff. Right before landing a wind gust got under one of the wings and caused the plane to roll. As a result, a wing hits the ground and rips off, and that is how the plane goes belly up.
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That appears to be it.

 
I've seen a couple commercial pilots speculate that due to wind shear the plane stalled very close to touch down and basically dropped out of the sky the last 50 feet or so. The impact collapsed the landing gear both weakening the wing and causing the plane to veer, leading to the wing hitting something and ripping away from the plane. The opposite wing was still creating enough lift to flip the plane.
 
Vtwin said:
I've seen a couple commercial pilots speculate that due to wind shear the plane stalled very close to touch down and basically dropped out of the sky the last 50 feet or so. The impact collapsed the landing gear both weakening the wing and causing the plane to veer, leading to the wing hitting something and ripping away from the plane. The opposite wing was still creating enough lift to flip the plane.
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yeah seeing the crash it seemed normal until the very last couple of seconds and then it seemed to drop like a rock.
That was like the Navy Pilots landing on a carrier do it; which is fine with a F18 but not so good for a air liner.
 
Seemed his nose was too far down - most the time the weight of the landing is taken on the rear gear and then the nose comes down
 
gtb1943 said:
Sounds to me like the people on the ground who know the conditions need to step up.
More and more we are hearing about how high the gusts were; ice the runway was; and the snow pilled next to the runways. One pilot theorizes that once the aircraft was going slow enough so that the rudder was no longer that effective and they were trying to keep it straight using the nose wheel, that they hit some ice and the plane swerved and hit the embankment, collapsed the gear and that caused it to flip.
IF that is the case, then that airport should have been closed.
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And the plane should do what?
 
Family of DC plane crash victim files $250M claims against FAA, Army

https://www.wtnh.com/news/connectic...e-crash-victim-files-claims-against-faa-army/

NEW HAVEN, Conn. (WTNH) — The family of one of the 67 victims of a helicopter and plane crash on Jan. 29 near Washington, D.C., filed two legal claims against the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the U.S. Army on Tuesday.

The claims were filed on behalf of the widow and children of Casey Crafton, 40, of Salem. He died as a result of the crash, leaving behind his wife of 16 years, Rachel, and three young sons.

The pre-case claims were filed by the family of Crafton, according to Robert A. Clifford, the lawyer representing them. Clifford said he had also asked several companies associated with the crash to preserve evidence.
 
triplets_93 said:
Family of DC plane crash victim files $250M claims against FAA, Army

https://www.wtnh.com/news/connectic...e-crash-victim-files-claims-against-faa-army/

NEW HAVEN, Conn. (WTNH) — The family of one of the 67 victims of a helicopter and plane crash on Jan. 29 near Washington, D.C., filed two legal claims against the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the U.S. Army on Tuesday.

The claims were filed on behalf of the widow and children of Casey Crafton, 40, of Salem. He died as a result of the crash, leaving behind his wife of 16 years, Rachel, and three young sons.

The pre-case claims were filed by the family of Crafton, according to Robert A. Clifford, the lawyer representing them. Clifford said he had also asked several companies associated with the crash to preserve evidence.
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I could stand say $5 million or something like that.
But this is just pure greed.
 
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